Hypothetically speaking, since you can order a Geometron inspired ION frame direct from Nicolai, could you also do that with the Helius TB 29er?
thepodge You could do that yes. There is also the GeoMetron 29er, potentially another version of that in the works..
Depending on timescale you might want to keep an eye on the std Nicolai range for 2017/Eurobike regarding the basis of geometry for all models...
But yes you could custom a TB29. Important to note that whist you would get the geometry, you wouldn't get a suspension curve set up to optimise pedalling/descending with a specific shock and shocks configured to balance each other and the bike in where they begin to provide support etc...an oft overlooked part of how this bike works.
However thats not to say that it will be the case should Nicolai move to this basic geometry across the range.
The 29 version of the GeoMetron does have a curve/setup to suit.
Thanks for the info.
I love the whole concept and execution of the Geometron but still think even in 29er mode that its too much bike for me and unfortunately its more money than I can justify. Translating some of the geometry across to a TB29 gives me a more trail orientated package and not having the suspension setup and other benefits reduces costs.
Having messed with my current suspension set up and found it lacking I think for me a dedicated suspension setup would be hugely beneficial but I don't really know what I'm looking for.
Part of that process thepodge is to help you find what you are looking for. You don't have to know in suspension terms but merely try different setups from someone who knows.
Mojo do that (maybe others do too) as a stand alone option.I don't know if thats the case for non fox stuff. You running Fox?
There is a shorter travel 29er in the works....
There is a shorter travel 29er in the works....
I asked about that recently and was told there was something on the way.
Just checked, two weeks til eurobike.
There is a shorter travel 29er in the works....
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haha. Eurobike is end of August.
Short travel 29 is a Mojo project but may find it's way to Nicolai too.
There will be much testing, normalisation and benchmarking first to decide if it's 'better' than others.
Referring to thepodge's comment about too much bike, we debate this a lot, what is too much bike? If it pedals, feels lively, handles and delivers on all fronts for a similar weight to 'less bike' which is often the case now, is there a reason to choose less?
We have got my 180mm/175mm version to feel like the 155 version now, its the same weight. Do I always need it on my local, fairly flat, 30-40km xc singletrack ride with BillOddie, no. Does it handle awesomes and give me a huge grin, yes. Do I feel handicapped or extra tired compared to my rigid Jones, which in some ways would be conventionally considered more terrain and ride distance/vertical appropriate, no, not at all, they can both be fun, in many ways the 180mm bike is funner even on that stuff!
I guess its a bit like saying an M5 or M3 is too much car compared to the std model. I think you just get a precision instrument that works well within it's capabilities and if you want to go crazy you can.
Oi! There is at least 400m of climbing on one of my longer evening rides...Do I always need it on my local, fairly flat, 30-40km xc singletrack ride with BillOddie, no.
Are the Mojo 29ers anything to do with Chris's day at bike park wales where they faffed around with the various wheel sizes?
Either way, the mojo 29ers sound very interesting, both short and normal travel albeit I think I'd more likely be in the short camp. Are we talking this year or next?
Hummm, lots to think about there.
I'd be interested in a Mojo tuning session, I'll have to look it up on their site and see what it involves as everything I have will be at least 3 years old.
I'd be interested to know more about the shorter travel 29er, though slightly surprised its a Mojo development as Porter seems so against them. Still if he can sell them then why not?
As for the too much bike thing, I can see your point and I cant think of a logical reason right now why shorter should be better for me but it just feels wrong.
He still seemed quite dismissive of them in the 30 seconds he was in the video.Gotama - Are the Mojo 29ers anything to do with Chris's day at bike park wales where they faffed around with the various wheel sizes?
Chris is still very much open minded. Right now he hasn't found the perfect set up with them but tecognises others prefer them. Not everyone lives and dies by the stop watch..
The long travel 155/160mm version is available now, to Order and test ride but only in the Longest size so if you believe what I ride at 5'10" (Longest) that size up, realistically though I think 6 footers for most people.
All dimensions are as per my bike so slightly longer chainstays but front fork is 160mm not 180mm.
The short travel one is likely towards end of year I guess.
Neither were anything to do with the wheel size thing at BPW. Chris was still finding time with Suspension tune but recognised that on certain tracks a 29er front wheel could be beneficial, less so the rear. So he has begin testing with a 29 front with various two tweaks to see if his 'feeling' translates into speed.
There is a mint, Ti anodised Long size GeoMetron frame, fork and shock available at Mojo ex demo at a very good price if anyone interested.
Msg me for details or call Chris at Mojo.
new trail bike :wink:. 32.3 lbs. Got a few mods to make to get it to 31.5lbs, wheels, bars, pedals to change..
its very slack indeed, quite long, but not very low, a British standard 340mm in fact. 180mm front/175mm rear. set up to pedal well and only give up the rear travel on really big hits.
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Chris is still very much open minded. Right now he hasn't found the perfect set up with them but tecognises others prefer them. Not everyone lives and dies by the stop watch....
Neither were anything to do with the wheel size thing at BPW. Chris was still finding time with Suspension tune but recognised that on certain tracks a 29er front wheel could be beneficial, less so the rear. So he has begin testing with a 29 front with various two tweaks to see if his 'feeling' translates into speed.
Its funny though, because almost everyone in the vid found a fair chunk of extra time on the 29er, even those who didn't like them. And given the entire point of the initial development of the geo was to get to the bottom of the hill faster (his words is print when it first came out), its funny to see he is still dragging his heels 😆
Chainline, your breaking my heart! Ive go the longest geometron, and been riding with the one vision team. This makes me want to play about with that swing arm and the shock. considering how well the x2 works I can only see upping it to 175mm is a good thing!
Just when I thought the bank balance was safe.
I may have to give chris a call about the swing arm.
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Chainline, your breaking my heart
That's what he does. Tempts people. 🙂
That looks like an absolute steam roller of a bike!! 😆
32lbs?!
I need to figure out where the weight is in mine.
What wheels are you thinking about putting on?
One of those and one of the allegedly/rumoured/unconfirmed trail bikes would be a great combination.
Where is the short travel 29er? That said I like the idea of rear travel that only makes an appearance on really big hits albeit I would look a fool mincing round my local trails on that ^^^
Gotama Eurobike...
Shandy...Eurobike
Stato...fastest bike, period, was the DH bike... the 29er/trail bikes used were very different to a GeoMetron
I have some adjustable offset clamps to test out +/- up to 9mm , I'll be testing a 29er front wheel on some tracks and resetting the geo/BB using some offset bushes. Chris found the 29/27.5 combo was advantageous on some trails.
Okay, Chainline that 32lb downduro thing has me convinced. How much for a frame and fork combo?
Also, I'd be half tempted to run with a Boxxer World Cup dropped to 180mm to get the weight down further.
Pretty sure I could knock off a further 1.5lb off that thing. Brakes, saddle, crank and fork could all be lighter.
Tom-W1987 that saddle is only 120g 😉 Selle Italia SLR kit carbonio. Crank yes, could go lighter, I like the Hope, pedals can lose about 70g using Baldwins. Its light for what it
Ping me an email, in the profile, or I can email you...for the record, 32[b].3[/b]lbs so I can't be accused of over stating it 😉 measured multiple times to eliminate errors and benchmarked the scales with known weights...
I didn't know the boxer was lighter..you live and learn..
2585g versus 2626g for the 40. Really not much in it, plus every time you put a non-Fox fork on a Geometron, Chris Porter kills a kitten
I can't afford one right now Chainline so I don't want to waste your time. But I'm going to have one within the year 🙂 I really like the look of that and the dual crowns at that weight have convinced me the crazy length is worth it.
Wasn't so interested in the single crown model because I didn't want a bike that long with single crowns - didn't see the point.
Out of interest, why aren't you running an integrated stem? That's one of the huge upsides of dual crowns!
George, if you run the stealth maxle - it's about 80g difference, but with the right build these things add up. I reckon you could get one down to 31lb if you really really tried.
Genuinely, that's one of the coolest builds I've ever seen Chainline. Really really out there that thing! 🙂
It's made me consider one! It's actually less specialised than the 160mm single crown model. That Fox 40 can be jacked up to 200mm for Alpine trips....and hey presto....no need for a downhill bike....175mm is enough on the back for it to ride like a DH bike for Alpine trips....given a bit of fettling with that X2.
That's class leading - and what Enduro bikes need to evolve towards. 30lb bikes with steep seatubes, wide gear range and dual crowns.
Tom... isn't the Maxle Stealth only for replacing 15mm QR Maxles? Boxxer has a 20mm bolted axle already.
Damnit!
What's the benefit of running the 40 over a big 36? Is it purely stiffness? Does the smaller fork get overwhelmed?
whatnobeer I don't know yet. after my first ride it's clearly stiffer and more controlled but thats not a surprise. Is it material to the ride, unclear yet, obviosly the fact world class riders don't need a 40 suggests the 36 is fine. I loved the 36 but felt I wanted to explore the 40 as a concept and see if I could bust a few stereotypes about what is a DH bike and what is a trail bike.
I can say cranked into a corner full of braking bumps the performance of the fork is is outstanding!
First test, hairpin climbs. Despatched with aplomb, unsurprisingly. Also climbed a horrendously steep loose fire road shortcut to the top of Upper Cliff at the chase and a couple of cheeky DH trails nearby prior to descending them, climbs like a goat. Certainly doesn't feel heavy.
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Then tried Upper cliff, which feels a bit slow these days, I ran out of pedalling legs chasing more pace. It's tricky these days when dry as the bottom is so loose, t was fun though give me upper cliff anyday of the known trails.
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This one's just gratuitous!
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The above for Scruff. Someone did ask " are you pedalling THAT up the hill" to which the reply was "yes, why don't you pick it up" so he did, followed by "oh, that's lighter than my steel hardtail!"
I took my Banshee Legend down lower cliff once. Only once. Your downduro bike looks super.
God damnit Chainline, you'd better still be selling those 175mm Mojos in 6 months....
Turns out I know some one who has bought one of these... Not to resist the test ride urge.
have a ride. nowt to lose. At least you will know how you feel about it.
He's a lot taller than me so not sure it'd be worth it.
Kinda depends how tall you are really. 5'10" fine for longest, roll bars back/saddle forward to suit.
The 29er has escaped and is in the wild
Dunno about the pricing - they say £2350 for the frame/shcik, but £500 less for the 27.5 frame?
Aimed at Chainline since you seem to be the man in the know..... whilst the 29er seems to be in the Surrey Hills with MBR is there any chance of having a test ride on it?
I'm confused now, that reads as if it's a fully custom frame, so why not just go direct to Nicolai, what do you get for the extra cost of it being a Geometron if it's frame only? Also there have been 29er versions before this so what's new?
Seems very much a none news story.
The pricing is wrong there honourablegeorge.
The std 27.5 bike is £2350, the 29er is custom order at an additional £500. (Hence the £500 less quote)
There is (likely) to be a std 29er version available from Eurobike onwards.
There are also 4 sizes available, S. M, L and XL or Long/Longer/Longest and Longesterer. the new XL with a proportionally longer ETT and reach, in the 27.5 currently.
Expect those sizes to carry over to the 29.
Full custom is still available from Nicolai and can be facilitated by either a dealer or Mojo.
Gotama, Contact Chris directly or I can find out where it is currently for you, alternatively if you are happy to cover some fuel I'm sure I can arrange to get hold of it and come do a demo with you at which point you could back to back it with my bike as well which is the same size just 27.5. Email me directly (from profile) if you'd like me to set something up for you.
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