[Closed] And so it begins...? "mechanical doping" first?

Sorry, we've all experienced a bike behaving like one in the demo at some point.
Hesjedal's bike doesn't appear to do that.

Could be manipulated footage, technical limitations etc, but it's definitely odd all the same.

But UCI will pull the bike apart and find the offending items no?
I trust the UCI to be upfront and honest just like they have been over doping 😆

Very odd all the same

[quote=Rusty Spanner ]Sorry, we've all experienced a bike behaving like one in the demo at some point.
Hesjedal's bike doesn't appear to do that.

Oh [b]that[/b] Hesjedal clip. It's bollocks conspiracy theory stuff - yes Hesjedal's bike does do much the same as the one in the demo, what do you think the difference is?

For those thinking Hesjedal's bike had a motor, where exactly do you think the motor is?

[quote=Rusty Spanner ]Sorry, we've all experienced a bike behaving like one in the demo at some point.
Hesjedal's bike doesn't appear to do that.
Could be manipulated footage, technical limitations etc, but it's definitely odd all the same.
IIRC there was some analysis at the time showing that the camera angle was giving a false impression of the (actually quite considerable) camber. That would have an effect on the motion of his bike.

yes agree with you RS, as Hesjedal crashes, a lot of his weight/leg is on the bike, which will add pressure/friction tyre to slow it down, and as he getting up the bike is near enough stopped, then it speeds up......

Anyway as for Femke, if it is true it be a bit unfair to ban Belgium, as she normally rides under a trade team, her normal normal support crew/helpers would be there. (And if true there is more than one person involved and it be more likely it be them)

“The bike was in the pit but it is [belonging to] someone from her entourage, who sometimes trains with her"
Not the first time a coach/training partner has used a "electric" bike to keep up/do pace work, but why would it be in the pits!!

But from the first reports it soounded like her bike broke, went to the pits then UCI, looked at it (the broken one) and found issue with it.

Anyway just have to wait for UCI to release a proper report/press release (in English as it is the universal language of cycling)

I've never seen the clip of the guy demonstrating it on his driveway before, which is flat, and there was no motorcyclist there to run over his rear wheel,

I bet the rider of the motorbike has seen cycles go down in front of him before, he doesn't correct his line because bikes don't go down and then skim the Tarmac, then torque round on an axis against the gradient whilst appearing to pick up speed, I think it looks odd, of course that's just my opinion, I could watch the bloke on his drive try and convince me but my minds made up,

IIRC there was some analysis at the time showing that the camera angle was giving a false impression of the (actually quite considerable) camber.

Aracer, I said it looked odd, not that he was cheating.

yes agree with you RS, as Hesjedal crashes, a lot of his weight/leg is on the bike, which will add pressure/friction tyre to slow it down, and as he getting up the bike is near enough stopped, then it speeds up......

I'm sure this was done to death at the time, but just for old time's sake, have you seen how the seat-tube motors work? They don't spin the wheel at that sort of speed, they turn the cranks. Hesjedal's cranks remain stationary w.r.t. the bike, you can clearly see the pedal stays stationary relative to the seat tube, and likewise, you can clearly see that Hesjedal's foot stays clipped in (and not turning the cranks) whilst the rear wheel is dragging the bike around.

So if you believe that he had a motor, it must have been some hitherto unknown hub mounted motor, including battery, which is somehow so small that it doesn't raise any comment. And how would you switch such a motor without cables? 🙄

Aracer, Is that a tongue in cheek question or have you not read any of the links to wires from seats, seat posts and frames and not being able to get the crank arms or bottom bracket off?

At a guess I'd say the mechanical parts are located somewhere near the the pedals? Say maybe bottom bracket area as riders would probably benefit more from assistance pedalling than they would if you hid a worm drive in the head tube to assist with steering on the twisty bits? No.......

you can clearly see that Hesjedal's foot stays clipped in (and not turning the cranks) whilst the rear wheel is dragging the bike around.

However, as you say, the cranks remain stationary.
And the front wheel continues to roll downhill, which suggests, as above, camera flattening.

Still odd though.

When he goes down and the spinning rear wheel starts to drag the bike after it, his foot is still clipped in.

My point being IF he had a seat-tube mounted motor, it would need to drive the cranks round in order to drive the rear wheel. His foot being clipped in and not turning the pedals is going to prevent that (which is a moot point anyway as once he is unclipped and chasing the bike round in circles you can see that the pedals aren't turning).

I'd also like to say that I DO think Hesjedal was cheating, the fact that it's not been proven and that his pedals didn't move bare no credence to me as im fully aware of what goes on in professional sport,

At half 9 this morning everyone thought the Dane wasn't guilty, now she is, well not her in fathers eyes, and neither is his son, Neither are the Russian athletic team, all Rugby players are clean and so are footballers, the recent scandal surrounding tennis was a hoax, the Lance Armstrong fiasco was also a hoax oh and the moon is made from Green Cheese.

I bet Darts players aren't taking EPO?

Edited: I'd also like to say that the none pedal turning "Moot Point" is also bollox as the bike pivots round on the pedal they can't both turn, he goes down and the only thing going through his mind is Shoite, best get hold of this quick, he's been down before and kept control of the bike, it's not the first time he's come off, this looks like it takes him by surprise and makes him look like a novice.

Now it looks like some ones actually been caught with a device fitted in the frame and still there are people refusing to believe it. And this is why we see folk trying to argue innocence, simply because some one some where refuses to believe it's happening.

xyeti - Member
I bet Darts players aren't taking EPO?

Too soon, too soon, will be the cry.....

Not the first time a coach/training partner has used a "electric" bike to keep up/do pace work, but why would it be in the pits!!

electric as in a covertly mounted motor hidden within the frame, doubt that very much. They are commercially available (like the [url= http://www.vivax-assist.com/en/produkte/vivax-assist-4-0/vivax-assist_4-0.php ]Vivax Assist[/url]), but not cheap, would be far too much effort and investment for a pace bike when any other e-bike set up would do?

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I'd also like to say that I DO think Hesjedal was cheating, the fact that it's not been proven and that his pedals didn't move bare no credence to me as im fully aware of what goes on in professional sport,

Wow, so guilty until proven innocent eh? 🙄

The batteries must have some serious power to be able to provide a meaningful advantage to power a bike and rider. At such a such a small size too so that they're (almost) hidden.

Don't the UCI do random bike weight checks too? Surely this advanced tech would weigh something noticeable?

Genuine questions.

LeeW, Cyclist did a test, which Vivax posted a copy of