[Closed] Abusive & threatening driver - what to do or storm in a tea cup?

Sounds like a c*** as they say in those parts!

Driving a Yeti in Essex, I assume he didn't have the wad for a Range Rover or an X5....

Leaves you feeling awful doesn't it, I end up replaying it over and over in my head for hours afterwards.

In my opinion (and its just that), he hasn't caused you physical harm and despite ruining your morning no damage has been done. The fact is that afterwards you carried on with your ride in your happy world and he carried on being an angry fat bloater in a pinstripe suit. At some point he'll kick off at someone that'll fill him in properly, or he'll have a heart attack...

....or knowing my luck he'll drive home returning his elderly neighbours car before driving up to his mansion to spend the afternoon horizontal jogging with his bevvy of playboy girlfriends.

I know what you're saying about him being a danger to others, but there's little you can do so don't let it ruin any more of your day

I think you are 100% right flange. It just grates that he's got away with it, whereas I know if I'd have lumped him one I'd be sitting in the station now.

My initial response would have been to fight fire with fire, possibly escalating into a fight - so well done for not descending to that level.
You have his car (& reg No?) so keep an eye out.

Although, as he came across to you, you would have had a decent case for self defence if you had lumped him one in fear of assault..

The petrol station should have cctv , youve got the exact time on your photo so it won't take long to check the footage .

If this happen on or next to a petrol station forecourt chances are its or some of it is on cctv. Go and ask to see it. If it's any good go back to the police

Well, if it's any help I only speak from experience. I have belted someone before and it didn't end well.

He hasn't really got away with it - he's fat, old and wears a pinstripe suit on a saturday. Which means there's every chance he's also an Estate Agent. He's been dealt a cruel hand and all the 'C' word using and arm waving in the world won't change that. He's got away with nothing....

What will the Police do though? CCTV tends not to have sound so I doubt they'll do anything based on footage of vigorous arm moving

The bus will have CCTV so there should be a record of the original incident

I was at the side of the road about 20 feet forward of the patrols station - not sure I'd be on the footage.

It's funny how the mind works - he shouted at me "look how old you are you ****, your dressed like you think you are someone at your ****ing age" and it [i]actually[/i] occurred to me at the time to ask him if he knew who Jens Voight is - Jens is the same age as me.

Consider it this way, if it got you wound up, he'll be sitting in a toby carvery ( or the Essex equivalent) right now absolutely seething with rage. He'll get angrier and angrier. His weekend, no, his month of April will be ruined because he is inferior as a man and as a human.

Id have shouted"don't have a heart attack old man". I did that once, Mrs aa was NOT happy.

You were trying to reason with an idiot. He will win on experience.

Methodist minister, probably. 🙂 I'd report it TBH, more for his protection, since he's likely to keel himself over if he has anger management problems like that. And the next person he abuses could be not as nice as you.

Well done on reporting it ... I always do(if I get details) and yes it's horrible knowing they've kinda
Got away with it but any time I've reported an incident devoid of any witness the police still have a word ..

I know not quite the outcome hoped but hopefully the c**k driving may reign it in a bit ?

+1 for flange
Next time, if you're taking a pic, switch it to video instead and you might get something more interesting to show in the cop shop.

Not quite the same, but had the desired effect you might like to try next time.
Driver turns up with a delivery (we both work for the same company) and decides he is not going to help me reload the lorry with goods for return as that is not his job. My reply was - So hey dude, I'm afraid to tell you we both work for the same boss and you WILL get your lazy fat ae of that **g lorry and do what you are supposed to do.
Needless to say a shouty match ensued (I got my way) and he moaned about me back at distribution to anyone who would listen (apparently).
Now the guy was a **** (he knows this cos I told him so - and his colleges also concur btw), but the best bit was it drove him nuts for days afterwards - haven't seen the big bairn since - result!!!!
Dont get mad or frustrated - get even I say

He's a fat idle mouthy old turd mate.
Smile, wave & ride on.
Life's too short.

You were trying to reason with an idiot. He will win on experience.

+1

Grab a mate
Go to the pub
Buy a beer (get him to buy you one)
Tell him about the w***er you saw this morning
laugh about it
have another beer

Crikey that was quick. I've been summoned to the police station - they have something on CCTV.

They're gonna nick you for harassing a senior citizen on a petrol station forecourt!!!

Remember the Hamiltons got pulled into Barkingside....

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Good luck!!

You did correctly and lets see what happens

We can all get angry from time to time but 2 ton of metal is not the place to get angry nor is it an appropriate way to throw your weight around.

Hope it all works out for you Kryton. Although no harm done, you do often wonder if a word from a nice policeman might help them think twice next time. Perhaps it wouldn't but you'd like to think some people might take it onboard. Having just looked out of the kitchen window to see someone drive out of a junction without looking and almost T-Bone a cyclist you have to help these wonderful/ observant/ placid drivers where you can, for everyone's benefit. Great there is CCTV to hopefully get a proper resolution!

I don't like to judge people by appearances...

...but

...but

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this guy is in his sixties, chunky looking and driving a silver skoda yeti, wearing a blue pin stripe suit & tie, with a yellow handkerchief

If the police are willing to take it further the bus will have a few cctv cameras on it if you have the time and number.

Ooh, let us know how it turns out, K57. Even if the plods just pop round to "have a word", his impending MI might just arrive a little sooner. 😈

It won't be a happy scene at the golf club/Rotary when his missus rings to tell him to come home.

Perhaps the bloke is the director of a CCTV / video effects company.

😉

Stuff like this bugs the hell out of you when it happens.

Last summer I was going around our local one way system. Coming up to a roundabout, so I'm in the middle of the two lanes as I want to turn right. Half way around the roundabout this fella overtakes me, with his kid in the front and passenger window down, shouting at me that I shouldn't have been in the middle of the road. I tried to point out that would have been dangerous as I was turning right, and he started shouting more stuff, so I just muttered "Oh **** off".

At this point he's screaming at me "You f****g swearing at me in front of my kid you c**t?" (the irony appeared to be lost on him). I cut in front of him as he was trying to jam on the brakes in font of me, at which point he tried to ram me. Luckily I bunnyhopped up onto the pavement, and rode on.

Having just sprinted around the one way system I was struggling for breath, let alone have a row with him, so I rode down to the end of the road, and just stopped outside the local police station. Managed to blow a kiss at him as he drove past.

Knowing that yiu are inthe right, and fool like this are totally wrong winds you up no end. I'd love to see hi again when there is no kid in the front and I am a little less "blowing out of my 4rse" 😀

Sounds like you did the right thing, and you just have to remember that these people are a minority on the road.

Last time I was riding through Epping I got piss bottled.

Anyway who made him the fashion police? Yellow handkerchief? You should have told him Lord Alan Sugar wears Lycra. That'd have burst his balloon.

You should have told him Lord Alan Sugar wears Lycra.

If I ever use Alan Sugar to justify a clothing choice, I will consider the argument lost and walk away quietly. 😉

I was approaching it from the estate agent's angle! I guess Jens Voigt would nt carry the same weight...

Waste of police time.......a swift kick to the bollox usually calms them down a lot.

In his sixties or not .. it would have cost him a tooth or two.

Well, I reckon K57 is in deep poo. From the description I'd say he's just had a run in with a mason and he reported it to the police! Don't think we'll be seing him on here again for a while... 😯

On the other hand, in a Yeti he may have been a ToB official 😉

It is in situations like these that a good dose of pepper spray in his face would rain on his parade and offer the cyclist enough time to remove themselves from the situation.
Shame its illegal afaik .

Treated the same as gun offences is it not? I don't think I'd start going around pepper spraying people however much of a raging, tubby estate agent the guy might have been 😉

If other people have reported the guy and the Police now have some CCTV of the recent incident, they may well be keen to have a word in his shell like - quick and easy case to report and solve and hit a 100% clean up rate (possibly cynical, I know....)

Blimey Kryton, must be the day for it:

Nobby - Member

I nearly got taken out by a psycho earlier who, during the frank discussion we had, said he'd done it because he's sick of "you bloody cyclists causing delays on my road". We had the 'road tax' debate - I won - and as I was turning to leave I suggested driving like that could kill someone. His response......"I hope so".

Stupidly, I didn't stick his reg no on my phone so when I ran the local Police they weren't interested as I didn't have that info despite descriptions of him, his vehicle and the address where he turned into. I popped up there in my car earlier but there was no sign of his poxy Prius but I guess it could be in the garage - what I didn't expect was 2 separate properties at the end of the driveway.

I've emailed further up the food chain to see what response I get.

Blimey Nobby, I hope you get yours sorted. Mines got quite serious...

So, the police know they can get the CCTV/number plate id system to get the cars address, and images of the altercation as apparently the exit to the forecourt - where I was standing - is covered by camera. They are going to pop around and have a word. They will give him two choices:

A) a community order - basically my statement which he confirms by signature that he was guilty and apologies for his behaviour. He'll then be given some advice from the PC about how to deal with such issues in the future. This goes on his record permanently and any other altercation results in instant arrest. Basically a formal warning under caution.

B) they can arrest him for suspected dangerous driving and a public order offence - abusive and threatening behaviour -which will then go through the standard prosecution process.

Refusal to do a) automatically results in b). Having any previous similar offences also results in b) immediately. I've been told that even if the town centre CCTV shown me in the wrong from a traffic regs perspective this does not change the above as he should not have reacted on the way he did.

Looks like he'll get a good reason not to do it to anyone else in the future.

Result! Just shows it really is worth reporting. Thank you.

Ha. Brilliant. 😀

Winner, good work reporting him.

Kryton - had a similar altercation 2-3 years ago and went for option a), was happy with that

Result.
Ta for sharing.

Kryton well done and glad it is being dealt with I suspect it is a community resolution rather than order but his card is marked.

I gotta say, from the clothing choice, sounds like you had a run-in with Terry Tibbs.

Yellow handkerchief, FFS. And he had the nads to tuck into your get-up. Obviously a comedian...

Yep. That's fine, it'll make him think twice if here's a next time I'd hope.

Good stuff, the bloke is going to be seething with rage after a visit from the police.

If you come across him again he should be pretty sheepish (or he's going to run you over)

centralscrutinizer - Member
Good stuff, the bloke is going to be seething with rage after a visit from the police... ... (or he's going to run you over)

It's occurred to me that the suit plus the confidence to not worry about the CCTV could mean I've just grassed on a senior member of the Essex Mafia *glances between curtains*

This could be the right time to shave off my winter beard.

Result , fashion police next -pinstripe suit in a yeti ❗

Well done Kryton, and to the fuzz for dealing with it so swiftly.

Nice one Kryton, let's hope the p***k learns a lesson.

Mine's been referred to a "local community officer" which I've assumed is a PCSO.

In the meantime, I've put the word out to a local club who will make it known locally - the only credibility my idiot has is a lot of cyclists use that road to stay off the A20 or A25.

Nice one Kryton!
I can't wait to bump into that prick of a gamekeeper on the Moresdale road up in the Dales again, he's had a warning from the police about his behaviour!

I'm not best positioned to offer this advice but you have to move on. As said life's too short.
You've done all you can by reporting him.
Nothing more to do.
Except maybe feel sorry for a fat turd in a naff 'car' wearing a suit (the fat turd, not the naff 'car').
Mind you - I know how upsetting it is when people make personal remarks about your appearance - someone once called me a 'bald headed b*stard. Gutted - until then I was under the illusion I had the best mullet in town.

Pete b try readin 7 posts up.

Good result K57 .
The twitching net curtains on Arcadia Avenue and the shame of it when the Police knock - knock on his door. Hopefully his Mrs will bend his ear as well.

As someone earlier said you have to meet fire with fire, if he shouts and makes hand gestures you have to scream and wave your arms around, do a monkey imitation or mr wobbly from the mr men. Your aim is to make him think you are a complete nut job and he would be better off getting as far away from you as possible. Maybe punch yourself in the head or pull out clumps of chest hair?

This world is full of zombies, the usual options apply.

Good result kryton.
Although it makes West Midlands Police look even more awful. They refuse to take any action on bad driving/road rage vs cyclists, even with helmet cam video.

They even went as far as to tell me that I couldn't report a hit and run because if I wasn't seriously injured then the driver had done nothing wrong in changing lanes into me, knocking me over and then immediately flooring it away. And the bloke who cut me up, slammed the brakes on so I went into the back of him then got out to threaten me... "It's really bad driving but I'm going to file it as no further action".

Nice to hear a positive outcome for a change. Well done Kryton, for dealing with it the way it should be dealt with.

Pete b try readin 7 posts up.

Well done k57, reading that I may report the next one that tries do deal out some car based punishment.

I find the drivers in Essex generally pretty good though, much better than in Kent where they are much more aggressive.

I've previously been reluctant to report stuff to the police because of their being completely uninterested when I reported a TNT van driver for spitting on me, I had it all on video (including a still of the gob mid flight).
I had a nice phone call from the TNT Dutch head office, which was then handed over to the UK office who did sweet fa and couldn't even ID the driver. Chelsea police were not interested, and the officer even lied about what she'd done about it, and I swore that I would never bother with the police again. Maybe after k57's result I might.

Its sounds clearly a crime of fashion.

I was cut up/stopped and threatened by a big bloke in his 60s.

He could have shoved me etc and I'd have let it go. But I told him clearly (no language or threats) and slowly to back down and get back in his car. If it had got rough he was probably very close to a heart attack with his obvious temper.

Hence I would have won the fist fight and lost my liberty. There seems to be more and more angry old types. Twice I had this in Hebden bridge before (local shoving me on a trail, 4x4 driver drove to close)

This could be the right time to shave off my winter beard.

Or send him a horse-head before he sends a wreath. That'll learn him.

In Epping, bloke in his 60's, sharply dressed, looks like he's got money but is cheapskate enough to drive a Skoda?

I reckon it was Rod Stewart 😆

Good result. See, it pays to take these tools to task rather than shrugging it off as an "occupational" hazard of cycling - [b]Illegitimi non carborundum[/b]

Good stuff Kryton 🙂

[quote=spursn17] I swore that I would never bother with the police again

And, by doing so, you've let both the offender and the police officer in question off the hook.

The police officer just wanted a quiet life (They are not all like that) and fobbed you off in an attempt to avoid the hassle of dealing with it properly.

The offender not only reacted badly in the first place, but then went on to intimidate the OP, in an attempt to avoid any consequences of their actions (Committing a further 'offence' in the process)

The more that people are allowed to get away with unacceptable behaviour, the more they will feel inclined to carry on that behaviour, and the more likely they are to do it to somebody else.

Well done to the OP for pushing for a resolution.

I was originally fobbed of by the chap that answered my call to 101. But I though **** it and emailed essex police direct

Today they've emailed me to tell me they'll be working through the town centre CCTV and the garage forecourt CCTV over the next few days to corroborate my story and build a case.

Fwiw I'm kinda thinking there can't be much going on in Essex right now for my issue to have created all this activity.