Well shall i wait till next year for a 456 ti or get the ragley one from crc at 10% off anybody ridden both and can give a me users review thanks
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I imagine the 456 Ti is like a beta version of the Ragley Ti so the Ragley must be better. Obviously they are both over priced nonsense bikes so go crazy. Why not wait for the plastic 456, i read somewhere that it will be the most awesome bike in the world apart from the Ragley Plastic...
apart from the Ragley Plastic...
There isn't going to be a Ragley Plastic.
nicely hooked nina.
nicely hooked nina.
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We were looking at carbon, but then I remember all those nasty things I said about it when Mark Lynksey came over - about "envelope stuffing"... and "no soul".
Are plastics a viable frame building material (as opposed to cf)?
In theory yes. Plastic is such a broad term and there are so many variations of plastic.
I have a friend that's waiting on his wood bike!
I learned today that my cars anti-roll bars are plastic!
The ragley's angles/geometry is closer to the summer season 456 isn't it? i.e. a couple of degrees slacker head angle to give a slack head angle (for confident descending) with a shorter fork (4 inch, not 5 or 6) If so....ragley maybe if you want a 4 inch fork, if you hanker after a big fork then 456.
Hopefully Brant will explain the differences designed into the 2 bikes a bit better.
ragley maybe if you want a 4 inch fork
From 18 Bikes website on the Ragley ti:
Fork length 130-150mm optimised
(which I take to mean the frame being optimised for)
If want to run a 4" probably better with a new Soda...
indeed, but the question was ragley or 456.
The ragley's angles/geometry is closer to the summer season 456 isn't it?
Not really. Sort of - but the Ragley is designed around 140's, whilst the Summer Season is designed around 100's. I know everyone runs longer on them, but that never was really the point. BB height and seat angle was something I concentrated a lot on with the Ragleys - they keep the seat angle steep and BB not too high, even with the long fork and slack head angle.
ragley maybe if you want a 4 inch fork, if you hanker after a big fork then 456.
I'm more than happy for people to use 4, 5 or 6in forks on a Ragley.
thanks Brant, I've been pondering on this question and the geomtries for a while myself. I wasn't trying to suggest that the ragley didn't suit a longer fork, just that if you prefer a shorter fork then maybe the ragley is the better bike.
whoops, look like theres a lot of marketing bollocks to unpick.
both can do anything aaaaaaaaaaaamazingly. apparently.
way too over prices though £1300!!! OMG
Will be demo-ing an mmmBop back to back with my Ti 456 and my mate's Dialled PA on Sunday. OK - so it's not the Ti Ragley, but should give a good sense of geom differences, as well as being an interesting comparison of the different frame materials. I'll probably post a quick write up here if anyone's interested....
Interest here.
And here
