Hurty words on Facebook…

But I don’t think there realistically is

There’s half a dozen liars then?

If one googles ‘hurty words’ the top link is…..this thread.

To me that rather indicates if it is a trope or a dog whistle, it’s pretty niche and not too well used. It’s past me by and I’d describe myself and waaaay more over-read on current affairs than the average bear.

On the flip side, if HR or the accused google the phrase the first link they’ll find is a description of the incident they are investigating/part of by the accuser. That’s bound to go well – what with professionalism in the workplace being so important and all.

It was on X not FB but it hardly matters.

What that Tory councillors wife posted during the riots:

“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the bastards for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it.”

Hurty words or inciting arson/ murder?

@MoreCashThanDash did the right thing imo particularly as this took place in a civil service context.

convert
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If one googles ‘hurty words’ the top link is…..this thread.

That doesn’t happen when I Google the phrase in a browser I don’t use to log into this forum.

But I don’t think there realistically is
There’s half a dozen liars then?

Sorry – should have expanded – what I was meaning is that it’s such a specific phrase, and one that I’ve not heard until now, that I think the likelihood of someone innocently using it is highly unlikely. Therefore any current use of it is more likely than not to be associated with trying to downplay racism.

You are also potentially familiar with the language used by people you’re in close contact with such as colleagues. This likely wouldn’t be a common phrase they’d previously used to describe anything and would therefore stand out as being something new they’d picked up from somewhere.

Hurty words or inciting arson/ murder?

It’s clearly not in contention that what she said was vile,dangerous and justifiably punishable. Lots of horrible things are said on the internet about all sorts of things. Bullying, slander, misogyny, racism. But that’s not the point. It seems that ‘hurty words’ is a shorthand reference to a particular sort of horrible thing said on the internet. That was news to me – and seemingly lots of others too…and google.

I also have to say that I literally had no idea at all that this had any sort of hidden meaning.

I did, and it’s language specifically chosen as a device to minimise/trivialise incitement. If you can’t appreciate that, then I have to wonder what else flies over your head…

If one googles ‘hurty words’ the top link is…..this thread.

To me that rather indicates if it is a trope or a dog whistle, it’s pretty niche and not too well used. It’s past me by and I’d describe myself and waaaay more over-read on current affairs than the average bear.

Or that Google is just tailoring your search results by the sites you spend time on? (that is how the interwebs works now)

Scroll past the first hit on page 1:

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/islamophobia-just-hurty-words-says-mayoral-candidate-6gr96j95s

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/susan-hall-labour-london-katie-hopkins-london-assembly-b1148481.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/anneliese-dodds-labour-london-katie-hopkins-london-assembly-b2520592.html

Susan Hall is of course great company for users of the phrase to find themselves in I’m sure.

I’d never heard the phrase before. It took me several* nanoseconds to work out what they were saying.

*Very few actually.

convert
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Hurty words or inciting arson/ murder?

It’s clearly not in contention that what she said was vile,dangerous and justifiably punishable. Lots of horrible things are said on the internet about all sorts of things. Bullying, slander, misogyny, racism. But that’s not the point. It seems that ‘hurty words’ is a shorthand reference to a particular sort of horrible thing said on the internet. That was news to me – and seemingly lots of others too…and google.

Sorry @convert, the bit about arson/murder wasn’t aimed at you, just a general comment about the topic. The other post about using another browser was just an fyi as if you use the browser you use to log into the forum it will often prioritise STW “hits”. Something I didn’t know till fairly recently.

Apologies if the hastily typed posts came across wrong, not my intention my friend but entirely my fault.

“Hurty words on Facebook” was used verbatim by Farage in the wake of the sentencing of the louts who were involved in the August riots.

Up until that point, I had never heard the phrase – especially not in connection with sentencing (for incitement to racial hatred and incitement to violence – just for context, you understand).

For a work colleague of the OP to use the exact phrase in connection with relative sentencing for other crimes marks them down as someone who knows the exact context of the original remark.

Irrespective of motive (edgy or deep-seated prejudice) this marks them out as a ****.

After this point it is about degrees of ‘ishness’.

if one googles ‘hurty words’

If that’s the phrase we’re all googling all you need do is specify a custom date range for the search results and I’ll you get results from previous decades.

‘hurty words on facebook’ does indeed come up with nothing if setting the custom date range to prior to it’s current frame of reference.

I was aware of the ‘hurty words’ thing. To me it’s one of those cliches that some people use thinking they are cleverly outwitting some form of ‘snowflake’

‘Adult human female’ that’s another, and ‘well I could identify as an attack helicopter’

Bit of a litmus test for me

If you look up “hurty words” on’t Google this thread is comes out up top.

Great result for the STW search engine optimisation

But….does not seem in *that* common a use.

Seems to have started with Nadine Dorries about a year back (2nd hit on the Googles is YouTube clip)

So yeah, for dicks obvs. But I don’t think it’s matured to the level of phrases like “I’m not racist but…”  which single the dunces out reliably

‘well I could identify as an attack helicopter’

“You could, but you can’t, because they’re **** cool”.

Or

“They’re badass, but you’re a fanny so I’m not sure people would believe you”.

Are totally appropriate response to that.

There’s at least half a dozen folk on this thread that

… have learned something today.  So that’s a positive, at least.

Language evolves and it can be difficult to keep abreast of.  Once of a time, the politically correct term (as far as I knew) for people who were neither black nor white was “coloured people.”  Then someone told that it was considered offensive.  I had no idea, I was trying to do the right thing.  So I don’t say that anymore, it makes no difference to me, and I try to gently pass on this wisdom if I hear someone else say it.  What they then do with this information is down to them, of course.

(The notion that the preferred term is “people of colour” which are the same words in a different order baffles the absolute piss out of me, but here we are, that’s not my call to make.  If Dave wants to be known as David then I’ll try to remember that.)