Rab Cinder Waterproof Jackets Reviewed: 3 Models Compared and Contrasted

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The Rab Cinder range brought its established reputation for outdoor activity fabric technologies and designs to the bike market, by adding cycle specific design features. I’ve had the three waterproof jackets on test in a women’s cut. They arrived just at the end of April – as things dried out. But then the weather has turned again, offering ample testing time, albeit in the warm and wet conditions that are extra challenging for any waterproof material.

In case you didn’t know: MVTR is Moisture Vapour Transfer Rate – how much water will pass through fabric over a 24 hour lab test period, hence ‘g/sqm/24hrs MVTR’. A higher number here means more breathability (in lab test terms anyway). Hydrostatic Head (HH) is measured in mm and is the height of a column of water that the material will withstand before leaking. A higher number here means more waterproofing. However… if you’re totally waterproof with a super high HH number, you won’t notice if the MVTR is low, because you’ll be so sticky and humid on the inside that you won’t be able to tell rain from skin juice.

To add to the equation, the HH value will generally decrease over time as your waterproofs age and degrade. And waterproofs tend to work best when there’s a temperature differential between you and the world outside. Cold air on the outside helps draw moisture from your body, keeping you feeling nice and dry. When it’s warm outside – or if the fabric isn’t breathable – condensation can build up more easily on the inside, making it seem like your jacket is leaking, when actually it’s you. So, challenging conditions for these three jackets: how did they get on?

Rab Cinder Kinetic Jacket

  • Price: £240
  • From: Rab Equipment
  • Size Tested: UK 14
  • Waterproofing: HH: 10,000 mm \ MVTR: 35,000g/m2/24 hrs

Pros:

  • Nicely fitted and shaped
  • Breathable and not sweaty
  • Comfortable and not rustley

Cons:

  • Not as waterproof as other jackets
  • Hood doesn’t sit comfortably over helmet
  • Rear pocket of limited use

The Rab Cinder Kinetic jacket is made from a stretchy, 3-layer waterproof fabric called Proflex. The jacket has an over the helmet hood, a Napoleon pocket and a rear pouch style pocket on the back. The cuffs have a simple stretch elastic finish on the underside and a slightly extended cuff on the upper. The zip is one way and has a fairly substantial pull chord attached to it. The zip on the Napoleon pocket also has a pull chord and has a rubbery waterproof outer seal on it.

In use, the jacket is comfortable to wear and not sweaty despite the lack of any ventilation zips or flaps – presumably down to the higher breathability rating of this fabric. The fit is fairly slim and nicely non flappy, but there’s plenty of room for elbow pads and body movement. However, while it is waterproof, the fabric does wet out quite quickly leaving you feeling cool in patches. This is particularly at pressure points like around rucksack straps, where I found I would eventually get damp as the waterproofing reached its limit. I also found that where the hem on the cuffs got wet and held water it felt particularly chilly.

While the hood does fit over a helmet, I found it pulled the front of my jacket up a bit – I tried it with a couple of different mountain bike helmet designs and had the same problem. The hood stowage was not immediately obvious to me how it worked, until I consulted YouTube. You roll it up and then use the rear hood adjustment to loop through the coat hanging loop. It works, but it requires you to roll the hood up towards your neck – not an especially pleasant experience if it is wet and cold from rain – and it’s more of an off-the-bike task. I found the substantial main zip needed two hands to operate, making adjustments while riding a little tricky.

I also didn’t find the rear pocket particularly useful. It too was difficult to zip or unzip on the go. Putting items in it left me feeling like the jacket was being pulled uncomfortably to one side if I put something like a phone and keys in it, or just bulky if I stuffed a hat or gloves in there. Obviously if you’re wearing a backpack there is a conflict between this pocket and your backpack so that you can’t use the pocket then. Maybe if you’re used to carrying items in a bum bag or jersey pockets you won’t mind the balance of the jacket so much, but as a committed backpack wearer, this rear pocket didn’t really do it for me.

The Cinder Kinetic jacket is a little heavier weight than the other two here and doesn’t pack down that small, so I’d suggest it is best for those rides where you’re expecting to need a jacket. It doesn’t have the shiny or rustly finish that allows you to simply brush mud off at the end of a ride , so I’d probably choose this for a splashy autumn or spring ride rather than a full mud fest. It seems waterproof enough for winter, but I’d ideally have something that didn’t hold the water as much, to keep the cold away.

Overall

In my opinion, its lower waterproofing makes it best suited for local laps rather than a big mountain ride. Its breathability and slim fit would make it well suited to pedally gravel rides too. If you hate being sweaty then you may well find this is the jacket for you.

Cinder Phantom Jacket

  • Price: £195
  • From: Rab Equipment
  • Size Tested: UK 14
  • Waterproofing: HH: 20,000mm/MVTR: 20,000 g/m2/24hrs

Pros:

  • Light enough to take everywhere
  • Genuinely useful level of waterproofing
  • Strong enough to wear regularly

Cons

  • Stuff sack is easy to lose
  • Zip pull is a little tiny to get hold of
  • So handy you won’t wear any of your other jackets for most of the year

The Cinder Phantom jacket is a floaty light yet waterproof jacket made from 2.5 layer Pertex Shield fabric. It has absolutely no pockets and the only zip is the one up the front. This lacks any substantial zip pull, making it a little tricky to use with gloves or on the go – and getting it on and zipped up in the first place is definitely a stop and remove your gloves affair. There’s no ventilation anywhere on the jacket, but it’s really more of a jacket to put on when the weather turns rather than one to ride in all the time. That said I have ended up using this jacket a lot, probably the most of the three here. Its super lightweight and small pack size alongside its genuinely useful waterproofing means that it has been ideal for this summer’s rain showers.

The hood is stiffened around the peak and elasticated so that once you zip the jacket all the way up it does a good job of staying in place, and you can shape it a little to suit your needs. When not in use the hood it does seem to be particularly flappy however, there is an elastic loop set up that allows you to stow it. This is the best arranged before you put the jacket on – it’s too fiddly for on the go. Plus, if your hood is wet and soggy, you may not appreciate tucking it in next to the back of your neck.

The jacket’s floaty light nature means that adjustment is not part of its offering. However there’s just enough elastic around the drop tail to keep the jacket fitted around the waist. The body and shoulders have more room in them than the Kinetic – it’s not such a slim cut and there’s room for layers under it. I really like this jacket. If I have any complaints about it, it’s that it’s so floaty light that with its slightly tacky finish to the interior, it can be tricky to get it on in a breeze or with some jerseys or gloves, particularly those that have silicon patches for durability. I’m also not completely sold on the separate stuff sack for the jacket. While it does leave the jacket being as light as possible and fits into the stuff sack no problem, because there is no pocket on the jacket to keep the bag when you are in the jacket, I ended up misplacing the little pouch for about 95% of the time that I was testing this jacket. The little pouch is teeny tiny as well as floaty light, so if you’re bad at remembering where you’ve put it, you can spend a long time hunting for it before you stumble across it, even in the bright orange colour I had on test. On the flip side, you have the handy if you want it option to strap the stuffed jacket onto your bike using the elastic straps, and it’s the bag that gets mucky rather than the jacket.

Overall

I’ve found it to be surprisingly resistant to pulls and scrapes on vegetation and trailside obstacles, and of the three jackets here it’s been the most useful addition to my riding gear. I’ll be carrying this and using it all year round. The best jacket is sometimes the one you have with you, and this is just so convenient to carry, there’s no need to leave it at home.

Cinder Downpour Jacket

  • Price: £185
  • From: Rab Equipment
  • Size Tested: UK 14
  • Waterproofing: HH: 20,000mm/MVTR: 20,000 g/m2/24hrs

Pros:

  • Back flap zippers: you’ll love them
  • Hood sits well under a helmet

Cons:

  • Back flap zippers: you’ll not love them
  • Fabric wets out, leaving you feeling cool

The Cinder Downpour jacket is perhaps the most typical waterproof jacket of the three on test. It has that slightly stiff and rustley fabric effect that most waterproofs have. The under helmet hood has stretchy elastic adjustment at the back. You can use this to minimise flapping when you’re not using it, though I didn’t feel the need, but it doesn’t quite stow away the hood like it does with the Kinetic. When under a helmet, it’s a great snug fit, not at all difficult to get to sit nicely. There are two hand pockets on the front and two ventilation zips to the rear. The cuffs are, like the other jackets here, elasticated and without Velcro fastenings.

In use, I found that this fabric wetted out quite quickly, and like the Kinetic gave that cool feeling that can give you the impression that you’re cold and wet, when actually you’re just cold. However it didn’t actually leak at pressure points like the Kinetic when I was using it. The fabric here is a little lighter than on the Kinetic, and in heavy showers with some dry spells in between, the Downpour would dry up quite nicely. Making it well suited to its namesake, perhaps. I don’t like how it wets out, even though it doesn’t result in soaking through. For a big day out in bad weather I’d prefer something that stayed drier to keep the cold at bay, and I think I’d prefer a Velcro cuff to keep cold winds out. It is a little better at letting you brush mud off its surface once dry than the Kinetic, though still not so impervious to mud as some other jackets I’ve tested. The inside surface is also on the cold and clammy side – not so nice next to skin as the Kinetic.

The rear side/back vent zips seem to me to be a Marmite design feature. Maybe you’ll love them because they allow you to air your sweaty back as well as giving access to things you keep in your jersey pockets. However, I am a backpack wearer, so these zips weren’t so useful in that scenario. In addition, pit zips seem to me a little less exposed to splashing or falling of rain. The main front zip is one way only – not so much of an issue perhaps with the shorter front/longer back design, though I know some will miss the option of being able to unzip from the bottom.

The fit is more akin to the Phantom than the Kinetic, which is the most fitted of the three. I’d say the 14 is right for me though – it gives room for a winter layer.

Overall

A fairly standard waterproof jacket that I expect some will want for the back flap zip feature alone.

How do they compare?

I think a bunch of sweaty people who want a waterproof for local rides will really rate the Kinetic. I’m not the sweatiest of people, so for me its lesser waterproof properties were a bit of a let down in prolonged rain. That said, it has a nice neat fit so there’s no annoying flapping when wearing it, and it doesn’t ‘feel’ like a waterproof. Rab has designed it for rides when you’ll be wearing it all the time, and I think for that it fits the bill very well.

The Downpour is the least appealing of the three jackets to me. It just didn’t deliver the water-off-a-duck’s-back waterproofing that I want out of a big day out waterproof jacket. However, Rab does say that this is designed more for the ’80/20′ day, where you’re only actually wearing it for 20% of the time, and the rest of the time it’s in your pack. By that measure, I’d rate it higher except for the fact that I think the Phantom meets that spec rather better. However, the rear back zips are a little more unusual and may set it apart from other similar waterproofs enough to catch your eye.

The Phantom is my pick of the three jackets. I like that it’s floaty light but not just a windproof. It has an actual functional hood. And it’s not so fragile I fear damaging it at every turn. I wouldn’t head off into the mountains in bad weather with it as my only jacket, but as a reliable option to carry just in case, or a back up, it’s great. For that 80/20 ride, it is perfect. In fact, it’s so useful it’s become part of my leaving the house kit, not just for mountain bike rides but for popping into town: phone, keys, wallet, Phantom.

Review Info

Brand: Rab
Product: Cinder Kinetic, Cinder Phantom, Cinder Downpour
From: rab.equipment
Price: £240 Kinetic, £195 Phantom, £185 Downpour
Tested: by Hannah for 3 months
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  • Rab Cinder Waterproof Jackets Reviewed: 3 Models Compared and Contrasted
  • honourablegeorge
    Full Member

    Great detailed review, Cinder Phantom just the aort of thing I’m afrer, but I’d definitely prefer it with a pocket for a phone.

    sharkattack
    Full Member

    Posh, expensive jackets like this are something I just don’t dare buy. Just like those expensive riding glasses. Way too pricey and fragile. Fine for roadies but guaranteed to get wrecked or lost with the way I ride.

    oldfart
    Full Member

    Alright I’ll say it How Much ???and they aren’t that waterproof 🙄🙄🙄😳

    Mounty_73
    Full Member

    I’m sorry but seeing ‘Not as waterproof as other jackets’ for £240! I would buy one of the other jackets then! lol

    BadlyWiredDog
    Full Member

    Fwiw, the reason the Kinetic gets soggy faster is, as I understand it, that the face and liner fabrics are knitted rather than woven as per conventional waterproof fabrics. It’s the reason the fabric’s more comfortable and stretches more easily, but it’s also structurally more prone to absorbing moisture. This might also be part of the reason for the fabric’s high MVTR values, but that’s getting a little über techy. Anyway, I treat it like a sort of softshell on steroids rather than a full-on waterproof.

    Also found you can, just about, wear the hood under a helmet if you have enough adjustment on the lid, which dodges any helmet size / neck length mobility issues, works fine like that with good peripheral vision and head movement.

    They’re doing a  Vapour-Rise Cinder now, which could potentially be really good. My most used non-summer bike jacket is a venerable Vapour-Rise Alpine that’s absolutely brilliant for a balance of breathability, wicking and just enough weather protection.

    https://rab.equipment/uk/mens-vapour-rise-cinder-jacket

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    Alright I’ll say it How Much ???

    I think they are broadly comparable with Gore, Pearl Izumi, Shower Pass etc RRP prices. None are ‘cheap’

    and they aren’t that waterproof

    This is more the issue.
    I also have had nothing but warranty returns on Pertex Shield jackets (3x) in our household.

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    They’re doing a Vapour-Rise Cinder now,

    Mrs_oab snuggles into her Montane alpha with Pertex jacket on a bike in the winter.
    I lament the loss of my Montane Krypton (old one) and keep meaning to buy a VR jacket.

    footflaps
    Full Member

    VR are my most used jackets for hill walking, always wearing one, either as my outer later or as a mid layer / base layer in winter. Probably too warm for all but sub zero riding though….

    honourablegeorge
    Full Member

    Bit disappointed to find that the nice red/orange colour is only for the ladies, and the men’s bright colour is a mustardy yellow

    nickc
    Full Member
    wheelsonfire1
    Full Member

    Most of the reviews were lost on me, partly because of “how much”, but also, all that I could think of was “who’s killed Kenny?”!

    BadlyWiredDog
    Full Member

    VR are my most used jackets for hill walking, always wearing one, either as my outer later or as a mid layer / base layer in winter. Probably too warm for all but sub zero riding though….

    The Alpine uses Vapour-Rise Lite – or maybe Light – which is a bit less warm than full fat Vapour-Rise. Obviously depends how hot you run, but I find it pretty good on the bike from mid-Autumn or so through to early Spring. There was also something called the VR Flux, I think, that used a combination of VR Lite and insulation-free sides/inner arms, which is even less warm.

    Mark
    Full Member

    Saw this in Ambleside a few weeks ago. Made me think about how much bike jackets cost.

    nickc
    Full Member

    I’m pretty sure they (Arcteryx) make a down filled Gore-Tex coat for over a grand…

    This One 

    Pricing that’s not for the likes of us in the cheap seats

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    Probably too warm for all but sub zero riding though….

    I found this.

    My old Montane Krypton (the old Pertex’ish outer and mesh / thin suede inner) was superb on the hill. But, if riding up any hill or walking uphill hard it was too warm. Below about 5*c on a bike it was the business…

    Above that I used a Montane Dyno (the old one with Schoeller fabric) and that was *just* a bit less than windtight and so helped not get as sweaty and helped cool.

    chiefgrooveguru
    Full Member

    @stwhannah – could you make all these review threads part of the “bike” forum? I don’t tend to browse the chat or overall forum because I’m short enough of time without getting sucked into non-bike related discussion, so I tend to miss these posts as they don’t show in the bike forum. (I struggle enough with the bike forum containing so much non-MTB bike stuff but that’s another topic entirely… 😉 )

    zerocool
    Full Member

    Instead of stuff sacks that get lost half5h3 time, don’t most people just stuff the jacket into it’s own sleeve or pocket and ditch the stuff sack?

    honourablegeorge
    Full Member

    nickc

    I’m pretty sure they (Arcteryx) make a down filled Gore-Tex coat for over a grand…

    This One

    Pricing that’s not for the likes of us in the cheap seats

    That’s their Veilance sub-brand which is super expensive street wear stuff, not really in the same space as Rab

    Their “normal” stuff is pricy, but not that far away from Rab/North fave etc… and quality is very good.

    nickc
    Full Member

    Oh sure, it wasn’t really a comment on Rab pricing, more like a “look at these mad price labels” comment really.

    There’s a Arcteryx store in downtown Vancouver (becasue; of course there is) and I remember walking in, taking a look at some price stickers and walking straight back out again…

    defblade
    Free Member

    Thing with Arcteryx, you buy it once and it lasts forever. Their stuff also always seems to massively out-perform anything else for the same weight/thickness/whatever… but then it bloody well should, for the price!

    I have a well over 20 year old Arcteryx jumper which still looks like it did the day I bought it despite being used very winter, and is still my warmest jumper too. I think I’ve nearly recovered from the cost of that now, so I may be able to buy something else from them soon 😉

    robertajobb
    Full Member

    At £1400 that Arc Teryx down coat looks, well, naff. In fact well naff. Sort of thing I’d expect some yoof to be wearing whilst smoking something illicit near a skate board park

    boxelder
    Full Member

    On the Phantom, the stuff sac clips onto the hood retainer clip at the neck. It’s so small and light, you don’t notice it.

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