Can Chris Boardman lead new Active Travel England to real change?

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Active Travel England, the Government’s new cycling and walking executive agency, launches with Chris Boardman as interim commissioner. The former Olympian has long been a champion for cycling as transport, and has been forthright in his campaigns for better infrastructure and road justice. But he’s been at it a long while – from British Cycling spokesperson, to Transport Commissioner for Manchester, he’s been pushing for improvements. Will this new role give him the opportunity to get the step-change needed to normalise cycling for transport, and shift the investment and infrastructure in this country away from its car centric focus?

Cycle infrastructure, UK style. At least it’s car free…

The government would like to draw your attention to these key points:

  • New £5.5 million investment in cycling and walking schemes, including £300,000 top up to E-cargo bike schemes; £3mn to improve cycling infrastructure around train stations; and to explore active travel on prescription
  • Cyclist Chris Boardman is to become national commissioner of the Government’s new cycling and walking body, Active Travel England, which launches today.

Those of us who actually use bikes for transport may raise a cynical eyebrow. £5.5 million pounds is peanuts in the grand scheme of transport things. Let’s take a quick dive over to Wikipedia for a few road schemes by comparison:

  • Capacity increase for three junctions along the A38 in Derby, expected to start in 2021 and be completed by 2024–25 at a cost of £200 million to £250 million
  • M6 junction 19 capacity increase, expected to be completed in 2021 at a cost of between £31 million and £66 million
  • Grade separation of the Sheriffhall roundabout on the Edinburgh City Bypass, expected to cost £120 million

So, let’s not get too excited with visions of miles of joined up segregated cycleways just yet (although, this is £5.5 million in addition to a much more significant funding packages previously announced).

New road laws.

£300,000 is expected to buy up to 250 e-cargo bikes which is a) cheap for e-cargo bikes and b) not actually very many bikes. How many delivery vans do you see in a day? £3mn to improve cycle infrastructure around train stations – yay, so now we might be able to securely park our bikes? Because we all know how impossible it is to actually get your bike on a train in the UK.

‘Explore active travel on prescription’. Yes! The links between ill health, poverty, poor access to transport, poor access to fresh food shops, and affordable transport to work are well established and intertwined. Maybe a bike could play a role in tackling that? And don’t forget that ‘active travel’ includes walking too.

And what of the new Active Travel England body? If that’s got some teeth then it could certainly improve the standard of some of the infrastructure that councils put in place – imagine being able to follow a cycle path that didn’t randomly disappear or put you on and off sections of pavement and on a sign post slalom?

Every penny invested in active travel has got to be a good thing. We really hope Chris Boardman and the new Active Travel England manages to make some real changes to the priority given to active travel in England. However, Chris’ appointment is only on an interim basis – will he throw his hat in the ring to take it on permanently, or will the interim role make him want to throw in the towel? Can we persuade Bez to apply?

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Here’s the official government press release:

Active Travel England will be responsible for driving up the standards of cycling and walking infrastructure and managing the national active travel budget, awarding funding for projects that improve both health and air quality.

ATE will also begin to inspect, and publish reports on, highway authorities for their performance on active travel and identify particularly dangerous failings in their highways for cyclists and pedestrians.

As well as approving and inspecting schemes, ATE will help local authorities, training staff and spreading good practice in design, implementation and public engagement. It will be a statutory consultee on major planning applications to ensure that the largest new developments properly cater for pedestrians and cyclists.

Boardman will be closely involved in the full stand-up of ATE, including the recruitment of the chief executive and management team. He has been appointed on an interim basis, while the Department conducts a full and open competition for the permanent commissioner role.

Chris is the country’s leading figurehead for active travel and delivered the first phase of Manchester’s public transport system known as the ’Bee Network’. He will now lead the Active Travel England team in its work to raise the standards of cycling and walking infrastructure, in line with the principles set out in Gear Change: a bold new vision for walking and cycling. 

The new body will be headquartered in York from Summer 2022 and preliminary work is already underway, scrutinising councils’ plans for active travel and supporting them to create ambitious schemes that will enable more people to walk, wheel and cycle safely.

The Government is today also announcing £5.5 million of new funding for local authorities, train operators and businesses to encourage various active travel schemes, including a £300,000 top-up to E-cargo bike schemes, £3 million to improve cycling infrastructure around train stations, and £2.2 million to explore ‘active travel on prescription’ schemes.

ATE’s establishment follows the Government’s unprecedented commitment of £2bn for cycling and walking over this parliament.

Active travel Minister Trudy Harrison said:

“Cycling and walking is not only beneficial for our health and the environment, but can also be great fun and is a brilliant way to connect communities.

“This funding is about giving people across the country the opportunity to different forms of travel, as well as supporting local businesses with the transition to greener transport. I’m very much looking forward to working with our new active travel commissioner to improve standards for everyone.”

Active travel commissioner for England Chris Boardman said:

“The positive effects of high levels of cycling and walking are clearly visible in pockets around the country where people have been given easy and safe alternatives to driving. Perhaps most important of all, though, it makes for better places to live while helping both the NHS and our mission to decarbonise.”

“The time has come to build on those pockets of best practice and enable the whole nation to travel easily and safely around their neighbourhoods without feeling compelled to rely on cars. I’m honoured to be asked to lead on this and help deliver the ambitious vision laid out in the government’s Gear Change strategy and other local transport policies.

“This will be a legacy we will proud to leave for our children and for future generations. It’s time to make it a reality; it’s time for a quiet revolution.”

This is part of the Government’s ongoing commitment to create safer streets for people to enjoy cycling and walking and boost air quality as it builds back greener from the pandemic.

More than 30 local authorities have received part of a £2.2 million pot of Department for Transport funding for feasibility studies into creating ‘cycling and walking on prescription’ schemes. The Government wants active travel embedded into our established system of social subscribing, as a proven method to improve physical and mental health.

The feasibility studies will develop innovative projects linking local active travel, physical activity and health networks to support people to choose to make more short journeys on foot or by cycle. The pilots will be focused in areas where health inequalities are evident, or levels of physical activity are low.

Health minister Maria Caulfield said:

“This vital investment in cycling and walking schemes is providing new ways to improve the health and wellbeing of the nation and builds on the rollout of social prescribing across the NHS.

“We must do all we can to level up health disparities across the country, meaning everyone, no matter where they are from, can lead healthier, happier lives”

The Department for Transport’s national e-cargo bike fund, which subsidises the cost of e-cargo delivery bikes for small businesses, will also receive a £300,000 top-up to build on the scheme’s success so far, with applications exceeding the funding available. This will enable businesses across the country to purchase up to 250 more e-cargo bikes to deliver goods in their local area.

This all comes as it has been confirmed that 14 local authorities have successfully secured part of a £1.2m fund to support the purchase of e-cargo bikes by local businesses, enabling the transition from motor vehicles as we work to decarbonise the entire transport network. The bikes can be used for deliveries and transportation by local businesses or councils themselves.

Finally, train operators will receive part of a £2 million investment for 24 projects to provide more secure cycle parking facilities at 23 train stations across the country, with a further £1 million spent on creating dedicated cycle routes to 5 stations. This comes as the Government takes action on the commitments set out in “Gear Change” and the Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail and will both improve both the quality and safety of cycling facilities at stations.

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  • qwerty
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    Electric vehicles are not the answer (except for mass transport trains) they are simply not sustainable, the switch from fossil fuel to electric would be deviating for the planet. The answer is not to travel short distances by car, stay local, use a bicycle, walk, bus, train. It doesn’t help that public transport is expensive, unreliable, not 24/7 & often not a pleasant experience.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    I just get so frustrated by this idea that well proven solutions will not work in the UK – what is so special about the UK

    The UK isn’t special – the point is that every country is different. Different geography, for sure, but also different attitudes towards government, different government styles, different public attitudes, and different history both distant and recent. The war being a significant factor in Europe for example. All these things mean that the political and social climate is different in each country. Town planning has been done differently for decades in different countries for all sorts of reasons. So I don’t think it’s particularly valuable to cite what happened in the Netherlands in the 1970s as an aspiration for the UK in 2022.

    I think that we need a range of techniques for different cities in the UK. Re the comments you made about cycling being faster than driving – this may hold true in some places but not others. The example I gave with a journey I might want to make on Friday, to the big swimming pool – if you drive you do most of it at 40 or 50mph with a short section of 70mph. This is because of the way Cardiff developed over the years, it has various dual carriageway and relief roads and the like. Consequently these need to be bypassed entirely, I suspect, with cycling alternatives which would be traffic free and much more direct.

    Things like junction redesign, with dedicated lights for cyclists would help too, not least to simply raise the profile of cyclists on the roads.

    I wonder if cycle paths in other countries need to have constant motorbike barriers to stop neds ragging their MX bikes all over them?

    the switch from fossil fuel to electric would be deviating for the planet.

    I don’t think this is true given the huge increase in renewaable energy generation and the avalanche of battery developments about to happen that will remove environmentally damaging constituents. However EVs still aren’t the answer for short trips, obviously.

    My neighbour always drives to the supermarket in a BMW 640i. It’s 700m away. Of course he uses the car for other things too, and yes it’s up a hill and has a nasty roundabout, but just walk ffs. It’s even easier than taking the car!

    tjagain
    Full Member

    *bangs head on wall*

    Re the comments you made about cycling being faster than driving – this may hold true in some places but not others. The example I gave with a journey I might want to make on Friday, to the big swimming pool – if you drive you do most of it at 40 or 50mph with a short section of 70mph.

    Why when I am talking about URBAN travel in 20 and 30 mile per hour limits do you try to disprove it with a tale about non urban driving?

    Why is the UK so different that things used successfully in other city europe wide not work here?  Even in cities untouched by the war?

    igm
    Full Member

    @tjagain

    IGM could you please tell me how home charging electric cars can work in a city like Edinburgh

    Round, say Marchmont, it won’t.

    Providing sensible infrastructure for active travel options will. And if that helps those tenement dwellers to do without a car, renting one when they need to, then that becomes a general good and cheaper thing.

    Active travel alone is not the answer, nor EVs, nor electrifying everything, nor PV, nor wind, nor batteries. Together though…

    A single solution is unlikely to work, blended solutions are needed.

    igm
    Full Member

    PS @big_n_daft while I am loving your work, can I suggest you stop being part of the problem? There will never be an answer that works for everyone. If that’s what you want, give up now, it’s not happening.
    What we need are multiple answers so everyone gets an answer that works for them – and probably a bit of this answer and a bit of that.

    nickjb
    Free Member

    could you please tell me how home charging electric cars can work in a city like Edinburgh where many people live in flats and few folk have dedicated parking spaces. My block has around 100 flats. Enough room to park perhaps 25 cars kerbside next to the block and is not untypical for the city

    If we move away from car ownership then it’s relatively easy. 25 cars for 100 flats with good access to local amenities and public transport sounds like more than enough. Easy access to pool cars when you need one. You can even have access to big cars, vans, etc, so it could be better than just having one car.

    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    There will never be an answer that works for everyone. If that’s what you want, give up now, it’s not happening.

    This is an ongoing “reason not to do anything” used a lot in climate denial and the very closely related areas of restricting traffic.

    It’s the idea that you shouldn’t do anything until you have an equitable solution, consulted on and agreed by everyone that benefits 100% of people 100% of the time. Since that can never exist, people use it as a reasons to do nothing, often gaslighting their concerns (“oh think of the elderly / the disabled / the children / the baby robins…”)

    Translation: “how dare you make it more difficult for me to drive Tarquin and Jemima the 500m to the school gates in my SUV”

    As discussed above, people are not going to get out of their comfy air-conditioned mobile sofas while driving them is so cheap and easy (relatively speaking, compared to the alternatives). Even stuck in traffic, you’ve got your own entertainment system, maybe a nice seat massage system – there’s not really much incentive to get out of them! EVs may actually make this worse – if you’re exempt from Congestion Charge / ULEZ / Clean Air Zone etc and you have the moral high ground of “well I’m not causing any pollution” then continuing to build and maintain roads with driver priority is only going to make traffic worse.

    molgrips
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    Why when I am talking about URBAN travel in 20 and 30 mile per hour limits do you try to disprove it with a tale about non urban driving?

    I would consider it urban driving, it’s still within the city after all. It doesn’t matter what the classification of the roads is – if I want to get to locations across Cardiff it often takes much longer by bike.

    Why is the UK so different that things used successfully in other city europe wide not work here? Even in cities untouched by the war?

    Well that is a long essay that I haven’t got time to write right now. But suffice to say not EVERY country in Europe has great cycle infrastructure, only some of them.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    If we move away from car ownership then it’s relatively easy.

    Yes but the hard part is moving away from car ownership. The big issue here is a shift in attitudes, and nothing significant will happen without that. So how do we change attitudes, firstly?

    Gloucester Road in Bristol is an interesting example of how attitudes can come first. Very busy main road out of Bristol, up hills. But apparently lots of young people live in the areas serviced by it who either can’t afford cars, or don’t want to buy them. So there are loads of cyclists using it in spite of the traffic. And the traffic has had to take a bit of a back seat. So how did that happen? Why is it like that?

    nickjb
    Free Member

    Yes but the hard part is moving away from car ownership. The big issue here is a shift in attitudes, and nothing significant will happen without that. So how do we change attitudes, firstly?

    Totally agree. I think you need to make non ownership better. Cheaper, less maintenance, choose the car/van to suit your journey, less risk, one way journeys. All possible but it’s a big leap from what we have now. Cars are treated as an extension of the owner and as status symbols as much as a means of transport.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    If we could even promote or represent non-driving that would be a great start. In US TV shows bus-taking is universally portrayed as a characteristic of poor people. In the UK we’ve had cultural campaigns to change attitudes on all sorts of things – single parenting, LGBTQ+ issues, race and so on over the years. Let’s do the same for non-car use.

    However most people’s experience of PT is poor because it’s under-provided. Take that well-liked show ‘Car Pool’ with whatsisname and wassername in it. That could easily have been set on a regular train journey, but to reflect reality it would have to have been done standing up where people were pissed off and tired. Not as good of a show.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    I would consider it urban driving,

    I had a quick look at the map.  I don’t see motorways crossing the centre of cardiff .  I see main roads round the edge.  I very much doubt anyone else would consider bypasses and motorways skirting the city part of the urban environment.  anyway we were discussion those short journeys in the urban 20 and 30 mph limits not 9 miles round the bypass so your anecdote shows nothing.

    Well that is a long essay that I haven’t got time to write right now. But suffice to say not EVERY country in Europe has great cycle infrastructure, only some of them.

    And once again – who said they did?  What I asked was what is so special about the UK that solutions used successfully elsewhere in europe cannot be used in the UK

    I do not understand why you are so against well proven solutions that could easily be applied!

    tjagain
    Full Member

    It’s the idea that you shouldn’t do anything until you have an equitable solution, consulted on and agreed by everyone that benefits 100% of people 100% of the time. Since that can never exist, people use it as a reasons to do nothing, often gaslighting their concerns (“oh think of the elderly / the disabled / the children / the baby robins…”)

    Eloquently put and this is what you are doing molgrips.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    and has a nasty roundabout

    It would be a lot less nasty if it was redesigned to make active travel nice and prioritised

    tjagain
    Full Member

    One of the beauties of a properly set up 20 mph urban limit is roundabouts and traffic lights can be removed and traffic flows increase as a result

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    PS @big_n_daft while I am loving your work, can I suggest you stop being part of the problem? There will never be an answer that works for everyone. If that’s what you want, give up now, it’s not happening.
    What we need are multiple answers so everyone gets an answer that works for them – and probably a bit of this answer and a bit of that.

    The reality of the low income households subsidising the wealthy households to get the cheapest way to charge their subsidised EVs isn’t progressive

    Taking pavement space for EV charging kiosks isn’t supporting active travel

    The other elephant in the room is that at some point the cost of running ICE vehicles is going to go up. Low income car users rely on the cheapness of bangernomics, the model doesn’t work if the 10 year old or more EV essentially dies off. Are Tesla etc planning phased redundancy like apple do with their devices? Are 20 year old cars going to get software updates? How do you replace a battery that costs more than the car etc etc

    As for car sharing I would suggest for many there will be social selection on where it’s available. The cycle hire schemes demonstrate the issues.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    I don’t see motorways crossing the centre of cardiff .

    I can think of plenty of places where either motorways or dual carriageways cut through urban centres like a transport Berlin wall stopping active travel

    Blackflag
    Free Member

    Can someone please pass TJ a glass of water?

    igm
    Full Member

    @big_n_daft

    You list a whole load of problems. Fine – and I probably don’t really disagree with any of them.

    Now start listing solutions, because the problems don’t help anyone, rich, poor or indifferent.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    I very much doubt anyone else would consider bypasses and motorways skirting the city part of the urban environment.

    These are the roads everyone uses to get around the city, they are the main urban arteries It’s not really rural is it? The A48 crosses Cardiff. The eastern half is dual carriageway, the western bit is 30mph with some 40s.

    I had a quick look at the map.

    Knock yourself out:

    Car – 7.9 miles, 16 minutes

    Bike, adjusted from Google’s original suggestion based on local experience – 8.5 miles, 49 mins

    But anyway, I’m sorry that you feel frustrated. I’m not pointing out where we can’t have good cycling support. We can, but I disagree with your apparent assertion that it’s easy and we just have to do what other countries do.

    It’s desirable, it needs to happen and I dearly want it to. You might think making it sound easy is encouraging, but I disagree – in fact it’s a damaging message in my opinion. It’s NOT going to be easy to do. But it still must be done.

    To recap – I’m not saying do nothing. We need to do a lot. Just not all of the things you are suggesting, because I don’t think they necessarily apply.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Here’s an idea. Can someone design a pre-fabricated aerial cycleway that can be factory made and assembled quickly and easily on-site? This would be a great way to make cycle bridges much more cheaply and it could cut out shedloads of bad junctions. You’d be able to get around not only much more safely but much quicker as you wouldn’t need to wait for traffic lights or road spaces etc.

    For cost comparison, Cardiff recently spent £57m on 0.8 miles of aerial dual carriageway link road, to cut out a 1.9 mile loop of 30mph.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Again – quoting things I did not say.  I never said it would be easy.  We have public opinion to shift and when even cyclists are against proven measures then public opinion is going to be difficult to shift

    What I said is the solutions are known, proven and workable

    I give up on this .   this thread just shows the difficulties in getting folk to understand that this is possible

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Just not all of the things you are suggesting, because I don’t think they necessarily apply.

    It would be nice if you could explain why these well proven and widely used measures cannot work in the UK.  Burdon of proof is on you as they work well in other places – even those will hilly topograhy and worse weather.

    I missed the high speed parts of the a 48 but half a dozen points I looked at it both east and west and all were 30 mph

    its very easy to cherry pick a route to prove your point.  Riding from my house to barnton in rush hour I would be at least half an hour quicker and proably an hour than the car as I have a traffic free route the whole way and traffic jams on the car route are horrendous inrush hour

    molgrips
    Free Member

    its very easy to cherry pick a route to prove your point.

    Mate I’ve lived here for 20 odd years, I’ve driven, cycled and got busses all over the place. I’m NOT cherry picking to prove a point, this is the reality of living on this side of this city.

    I’m not saying driving is always faster. But you said ‘cycling around a city is faster’ and it’s NOT always the case. It’s you who is selectively picking situations and using them to assert a general point. This is a bad thing to do in the general debate because people can easily rubbish your position by pointing out where you are wrong, just as I did. People will say ‘you’re talking rubbish’ and discount ALL of your points, when most of them are valid.

    You’ve even started an argument with me, when I’m on your side!

    this thread just shows the difficulties in getting folk to understand that this is possible

    It will be possible, but it won’t be easy.

    It would be nice if you could explain why these well proven and widely used measures cannot work in the UK.

    Ok so:

    1) Presumed liability – I can’t see what difference it makes. Not being protected quite so much in law isn’t what puts people off cycling. It’s the fact can be busy, unpleasant, cold and wet and people don’t want those things.

    2) We simply won’t get the public behind large scale spending on infrastructure, because we have had 40 years of cycle hating and you will need a long time to undo that. This is our first priority. Why does my neighbour drive to the shop? Because he’s normalised that behaviour, along with everyone else. You need to un-normalise it, and you absolutely 100% guaranteed cannot do this by ranting at people.

    3) As for narrow mediaeval streets – ok, they can be pedestrianised/cyclified etc. I’d like you to pick a bad route across your own city and show me specifically how it could be improved. I can do the same for Cardiff. Cardiff doesn’t have mediaeval anything, but fitting in lots of cycle lanes is still going to be hard. So we need something different.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    Now start listing solutions, because the problems don’t help anyone, rich, poor or indifferent.

    Rewrite road design and urban planning standards so that active travel is the priority

    Stop large infrastructure projects dividing communities by removing active travel access

    Mandate that urban centres (towns and ideally larger villages) should have safe active travel corridors between them and the next adjacent one

    Enable /ease compulsory purchase of land needed for links to enable active travel routes

    Stop the highways agency filling in bridges

    Legacy infrastructure review to see what can quickly be repurposed

    Employer incentive to provide utility active travel bikes/scooters whatever

    LA mandated that schools have suitable active travel routes within the catchment. Central pot to bid into.

    Education and support campaigns

    Regulation/ or whatever of urban public transport to enable oyster card type systems in all regions

    EV charging standardisation ( lack we have for petrol and diesel pumps)

    No planning permission at petrol stations without provision of substantial EV charging

    No planning permission for out of town retail units without substantial EV charging facilities

    Etc etc

    And that’s not working in the industry and quickly writing down whatever popped into my head

    molgrips
    Free Member

    I think we shouldn’t be discussing EV issues on this thread but those other ideas are good, bnd.

    However I think that LAs are already under a fair few of those obligations, but it’s handled so shittily that we get results that are absolutely unworkable and not useful. See my earlier example about houses on the business park.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Presumed liability – I can’t see what difference it makes

    correct – you can’t because you do not understand

    What it does is legitimise cycling as a way of transport and removesd the “roads are for cars” mentality.

    It’s the fact can be busy, unpleasant, cold and wet and people don’t want those things.

    Busy and unpleasant – sorted by infrastucture

    cold and wet – does not put people off in Amsterdam, in Oslo – both cities that have colder wearther and much higher cycling rates

    A route across Edinburgh?  the plans are there.  They were doe about 10 years ago in conjunction with spokes the cycle campaign.  What Edinburgh needs is an east /west and a north/ south safe cycling rote across the city centre

    Edinburgh is one of the worst cities i have ever ridden in for cycle provision across its centre

    My final post.  Its useless trying to debate with somone with such fixed anti bike pro car attatudes

    you do not want to learn, you do not want to listen

    molgrips
    Free Member

    you do not want to learn, you do not want to listen

    I literally am listening. I’m not anti cycling, I am literally discussing pro cycling strategies.

    cold and wet – does not put people off in Amsterdam, in Oslo – both cities that have colder wearther and much higher cycling rates

    Yes, but IT DOES HERE! Why?? How can we change that?!

    What Edinburgh needs is an east /west and a north/ south safe cycling rote across the city centre

    Ok – genuine question as the details of this interest me (and are quite important) – How would they be routed? Where would they go? What effect would it have on motor vehicle traffic? It’s not enough to say ‘we need a route’, these need to be designed and planned.

    Blackflag
    Free Member

    Big n daft – Can i add one?

    Allow bikes on trains without daft low quotas or onerous pre booking requirements.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    correct – you can’t because you do not understand

    What it does is legitimise cycling as a way of transport and removesd the “roads are for cars” mentality.

    I don’t agree, because I don’t think most people know or care who’s liable. When you’re standing at your front door with your car keys in your hand, you aren’t going to think ‘you know what, if there’s an accident I have a better legal position now, so I think I’ll get my bike out and ride instead’

    For the record I am in favour of presumed liability but I don’t think it’s going to have a big effect. People don’t know the rules of the road now, changing them isn’t going to make much difference. A better tactic would be start making people aware of the rules we already have, which requires changing people’s attitudes towards motoring.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Allow bikes on trains without daft low quotas or onerous pre booking requirements.

    Ooh yes. This comes under integrated solutions. We also need spaces to be able to get our bikes on and off. We already know most peopel are too lazy to cycle far. So when they create a cross-city tram or light rail route, for example, give each train a big free bike car. It would significantly extend the reach of every tram stop.

    I’d also like to add a need to create competence in cycle infra design. They’re putting some new lanes across Cardiff (great) and they are ruffling feathers at the same time, and the fact they are not letting this stop them is great. But some of the lanes are a bit ropey. They are on one side of the road usually so when you get to the end or need to cross the car carriageway there are some dicey moments resulting in not really understanding if you’ve jumped some light or failed to give way or what you’re supposed to do.

    igm
    Full Member

    Now we’re getting somewhere.

    Hybrid travel solutions. Active travel within a wider context.

    Thank you.

    himupstairs
    Full Member

    Molgrips, there already is a DfT design guide that should be adhered to. Guess what though, the UK is somehow different to many places that designs have been borrowed from, the guidance isn’t followed, and through a process of incompetence, cost cutting, political point scoring and spurious objections the results are predictably compromised and confusing, if not dangerous. We don’t need to invent a solution and build elevated cycleways either. There is an abundance of space on the ground, it’s just monopolised by motor vehicles.

    But it’s ok, because in the meantime car drivers are not even slightly inconvenienced.

    The Edinburgh West-East project has become a joke, mainly because a small group of entitled locals can’t stomach the idea of the removal of some loading bays from outside a few small shops. I think it’s been going for about 10 years. Uses a mixture of main roads, side streets, modal filters etc. It will remove some space from cars (!) and give priority to cyclists and pedestrians at certain points. It will also enhance a section of shopping street for pedestrians by widening pavements. Stymied endlessly by the ridiculous TRO process we have in Edinburgh that robs the roads authority of any authority to do roads work.

    This is it. I’ve lost track of what’s actually getting built http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/ccwel/

    Anyway, it’s not ok because some motorists will be slightly inconvenienced.

    Dunno if it’s the one that TJ is thinking of, but there’s another piece of proposed new mostly off road active travel infra in Edinburgh that would join a couple of the most heavily used traffic free routes, but one objection has caused the whole project to be dragged back for yet more consultations to try and keep all the people happy all the time*.

    *As mentioned up there, people have to accept that changes in how we get about need to be made. Some of these changes will make some people unhappy.

    Ultimately, we don’t have politicians that are brave enough to do things properly and take away space from motor vehicles, because they want to keep their jobs and they are too caught up in petty point scoring to reach any meaningful cross party consensus. I hugely admire Chris Boardman and the work he has already done. Hopefully he can make some headway in changing this.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    We don’t need to invent a solution and build elevated cycleways either. There is an abundance of space on the ground, it’s just monopolised by motor vehicles.

    Well, this is the thing. As you’ve shown people don’t want to take space away from cars on the road. So elevated cycleways would solve that issue. And they would also make cycling more attractive because you wouldn’t have to wait at junctions and lights and that. But I think that in some places elevated cycleways would solve some real issues with access, given that somewhere like Cardiff is cut into pieces with several railway lines and the river and there are few bridges.

    Ultimately, we don’t have politicians that are brave enough to do things properly and take away space from motor vehicles

    Democratically elected politicans can’t just ‘be brave’ cos they won’t get elected again. It’s how democracy works.

    himupstairs
    Full Member

    I am deeply pessimistic about the major shift we as a society need to make to get away from the damaging car centric culture we’ve become over the last decades. We need to get away from being so dependent on cars, and that means taking space away. Like it or not.

    Politicians are of course democratically elected, but they are also expected to have to make unpopular decisions from time to time. Cross party agreement would help hugely with this, with a shift away from polarising debate and point scoring within councils and governments, and the general population. It’s mentioned above, but maybe Boardman will be helpful in this respect.

    Another dutch example I’m afraid, but have a read about Groningen and Max van den Berg. A brave local politician in charge of traffic and urban development policy. He got a hugely controversial project in place, and was extremely unpopular at the time. Now, he’s seen as a visionary planner. Spoiler – he stopped people being able to drive anywhere and everywhere.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    He got a hugely controversial project in place, and was extremely unpopular at the time. Now, he’s seen as a visionary planner.

    If only we could get people like that and get them elected.

    himupstairs
    Full Member

    In Edinburgh (and I’m sure other cities in the uk), there are people with ambitious and brave ideas. There is a plan (seen by many as controversial) to significantly change the way people move around the centre of the city. Remains to be seen how much of the plans will ever be realised.

    ratherbeintobago
    Full Member

    I’m slightly involved in our new and shiny active travel forum. A very valid point made by the council chap involved is that there are a lot of groups out there who’d individually like active travel infrastructure but we’re all working in silos.

    Not sure what to suggest apart from pestering your councillors, contacting the council active travel team (there will be one) and trying to build links with other interested groups (which also means the likes of the horsey people). I don’t know how much effort it will take but fear of backlash from the motoring lobby prevents a lot happening, and they are really a small minority.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    Big n daft – Can i add one?

    Only one?

    Note none of mine include low income households subsidising high income households to get the cheapest way to charge their subsidised EV

    I’d add mandatory speed camera on roads where the speed limit is exceeded by 30% by more than 1% of the traffic

    Insurance (arguably spend to save) funded ANPR initiative to target uninsured vehicles and remove them from the highway

    nickjb
    Free Member

    Democratically elected politicans can’t just ‘be brave’ cos they won’t get elected again. It’s how democracy works.

    When city mayors were introduced the first election wasn’t taken that seriously by the big parties. We had an independent win. He then started doing stuff he wanted. He made closing roads for events much easier. Many main roads were closed on Sundays for people to use. Lots of street parties, family cycling, we even had a giant water slide down the biggest shopping street in the city. It was great (unless you were a hard working, tax paying motorist or some such nonsense). He didn’t get re-elected, although more down to the big parties engaging with the subsequent elections. Shame, but it was nice to have a glimpse of someone doing something different, unencumbered by political baggage.

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