give it up you lot, you sound like a family arguing over nothing.
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mt
What sort of family is that? The Jackson 5?
So you're calling Scotland 'nothing'!!!!!
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You think this lot are bad?
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=131714/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.htmlPosted 2 years ago # -
While the rest of the world is globalising we're going the other way. Brilliant strategy and obviously we are right and everyone else is wrong?
What does "globalising" even mean in this context? That countries are merging together?? Is it even a word?
An independent Scotland would still be part of the EU and so would not be "isolated" (even though that hasn't harmed Norway) - which seems to be a good route for smaller countries.....
It's amazing the amount of casual anti-Scottish sentiment that's appeared over the past few years and the ill-informed, patronising nonsense from some posters on this thread is the perfect illustration. It's a real reverse from when I was growing up when it was the other way. There seems to be a real insecurity appearing amongst a section of English people that used to be the preserve of the Scottish and Welsh IMO.
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Mr Slapper - reading the childish remark you have made confirms my view that you do not understand the country you live in if, all you can do is squabble over petty issues. "oh thats mine cos i bought it, thats yous coz your poor. or i'm better than you because......." whatever.
Did I mention a particular country of the UK?
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What does "globalising" even mean in this context
What it means, is that whilst the rest of the world is opening up to the concept that there is stuff that goes on beyond their national borders, that "we" seem to be doing the opposite and becoming more insular instead. For example, the next thing that will crop up is Celtic language, which clearly is something of huge significance to the average modern Scot, given that the vast majority have done absolutely sod all about learning it, or for that matter campaigning for it to be taught in schools. So much like the Welsh, off we'll go into a nationalistic binge to reinvigorate what is essentially a dead language, instead of doing the sensible thing of equipping our nation for the global challenges that lie before it, where learning something like Spanish, French, Russian, Latin, German, Mandarin Chinese, in fact just about anything other than Celtic would be vastly more beneficial.
Incidentally, I would be entitled to dual nationality, as indeed would the vast majority of the inhabitants of both countries.
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mt
You omitted that I frankly don't care. As a citizen of a small sheep producing nation on the edge of Europe it really doesn't seem to matter if I have an opinion on the subject or not. Hence the flippant remark!
Lighten up - it's only a forum
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What sort of family is that? The Jackson 5?
Isn't that the Jackson 4?
I think it is a genuine compassionate move
What utter bollox. MacAskill went to see Meghrani who then promptly dropped his appeal. Broon just "happened" to be on holiday. mandy just "happened" to be in hospital. Compassion my ar5e.
It was either fear that the appeal would uncover some of the evidence not heard first time round, deeply embarrasing the US as much as anyone else, or we (Scots) know our oil is running and we have plenty expertise in exploiting oil fields but no oil fields left to exploit. Or a bit of both. But anyone claiming this was a compassionate release really needs their head looked at.Posted 2 years ago # -
G - a couple of points you miss. Reinvigorating gaelic is a very low priority in Scotland - unlike in wales welsh is spoke widely.
One of the arguments for a independent Scotland is independence within europe - this is at least in part because Scotland wants to be more involved in the EU - not semidetached in the little englander way. Its at least in part about strengthening Scotlands ties with Europe.
Many other European states are undergoing similar devolution / independence debates. Myself I look forward to a more integrated and devolved EU. Devolve power down where possible and pool where needed. This actually virtually does away with the need for the larger national governments. If the EU looks after macro economic policy and defense and all else is devolved to a regional / small nation level the westmisnster becomes irrelevant.
Other european states looking at splitting or devolving. Belgium - seems a split into two is inevitable. Netherlands has a splittist movement ( but rather weak) it is 6 provinces after all. Italy - many would like to split north and south. Germany - Bavaria is virtually a county in a confederation anyway and wouldn't mind independence. Then there is the basque country. I think in 50 yrs there will be a federal settlement in Europe with about 60 smaller states pooling resources where needed and taking their own decisions where they can. I look forward to it.
Scottish independence is not about being insular and inward looking. Its about looking outward with confidence and making its own way in the wider world without the help and handicaps of being the small ignored partner in the UK
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TJ, are you not english? (sorry if I've misunderstood).
What if they boot you out?Posted 2 years ago # -
I think in 50 yrs there will be a federal settlement in Europe with about 60 smaller states pooling resources where needed
Plus France of course
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Backhander - of English birth of English parents. I am however what the SNP refer to as an "assimilated Scot" ie scotland is my home. We will be allowed to stay Wee Eck informs me. even to I have an English accent.
Donald - France is one of the few European countries that really does appear to be unified and have no splittists bar a few Basques
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Fair enough. It's nice up there I bet. I like north wales; living by snowdonia would be a dream.
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France is one of the few European countries that really does appear to be unified
well....France and the state of Paris
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whippersnapper - Member
France is one of the few European countries that really does appear to be unified
well....France and the state of Paris
And Corsica, and the Catalan areas...
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An independent Scotland would still be part of the EU
This is assuming that the EU would want you as a member. You forget that the UK (which under your bizarre jingoistic and narrow minded view would be dissolved) is a member, not the individual states. In any case, when the oil runs out, you'd be drawing subsidy from the EU, whereas England would be contributing. Surely that's no different than just getting it direct from Westminster?
No matter what the Scots think, a nation with 50ish m people will always be stronger economically than one with 6ish m.
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This is assuming that the EU would want you as a member. You forget that the UK (which under your bizarre jingoistic and narrow minded view would be dissolved) is a member, not the individual states
The French vetoed our application last time - they may well do that again
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Zokes - of course the EU would still have Scotland as a member. It does have a significant proportion of the EU fish stocks as well as the oil. This has already been a source o injformal discussions and it does not appear to be an issue.
Narrow minded and jingoistic? How ridiculous. I am neither. Argumentative to the point of absurdity perhaps .
As for economic stength - of course a bigger economy is more resilient - but not necessarily stronger. However an independent Scotland could persue economic policies to suit itswelf rather than the one size fits all ( so long as it is south east England it fits) that we have at the moment which does not suit Scotland all the time. flexibility and the ability to set economic policy to suit would make up for the lessor size.
Its a window of opportunity now to do this - so the oil money can be invested in teh wider economy. There is not a huge amount left for sure - but its still enough to give the Scotish economy the start it would need to invest in infrastructure and new technology.
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zokes - Member
...No matter what the Scots think, a nation with 50ish m people will always be stronger economically than one with 6ish m.
I don't think anyone disputes this.But a small country that is not running major wars is less likely to be destroying its economy. Scotland has enough natural resources to survive, plus its greatest resource is its people.
Why are the English so het up about Scotland becoming independent? You'd think they would be glad to be rid of us if we are such a drain on their economy.
Perhaps they should instead concentrate on winning themselves some basic freedoms instead of the serf like status they have in England - apparently their feudal masters can stop them wandering around in their own country.
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he overall scheme being 200-300 dead innocent PamAm/Locerbie residents
what about the 290 people shot down on Iran Air Flight 655?
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If you think the union is in a sate now then wait a couple of years. Tories in Westminster = independence for Scotland in a decade. SNP are on course to get a majority next time and Cameron knows his best chance of keeping labour out is to get rid of their 50 scots MPs
what a load of [made up on the spot] twaddle
There's a fundamental flaw in your theory - The Tories proper, Sunday best name is the Conservative & Unionist Party
Can you see the problem they'll have there?Posted 2 years ago # -
epicyclo - Member
plus its greatest resource is its people.Who's left? They are all down here moaning how much better it is back up there. Parliament is full of them.
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G - a couple of points you miss. Reinvigorating gaelic is a very low priority in Scotland
Thats what I said wasn't it? Its a waste of time and money, because very few people have any interest in it.
- unlike in wales welsh is spoke widely.
Yep, where after years of huge amounts of investment, and the ongoing institutionalised disadvantage to its citizens, you have a situation where less than 25% of the population speak Welsh!
Regarding the EU, there we are largely in agreement, and again thats pretty much what I said wasn't it? Everyone else is looking beyond their borders, whilst we are busily becoming more insular? (Like enforcing a dead language that nobody else uses or is ever likely to use on our population!!)
Incidentally, the UK's policies towards it colonies were largely formulated and carried out by Normans and Germans. Down here in the south we still don't like them for that reason, however we have learned to live with it and genrally limit our ire to football matches and the like! Now who was it who started the EU??...... can't quite remember.
What does that mean? The bad stuff was a long time ago, get over it!
From a Scot living in England
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They are all down here moaning how much better it is back up there. Parliament is full of them.
which shows what an excellent job they're doing on youunlike in wales welsh is spoke widely.
Recently, I rode a motorbike across Wales. It rained overnight and the roads were a bit damp in the morning. Normally something a compertent rider can deal with. But all the road signs are in English (which Ispeak) and Welsh (which I don't). As you may know, that white paint that goes on road is tremendously grip-free, easily causing a bike to lose traction and skid, with the potential to either crash there and then, or to suddenly regain traction and throw the rider off. So, the roads are made jsut that little bit more dangerous, and for whose benfit? those people who don't understand the word SLOW. Or is ARAF the Welsh for Warning, Slippy White Paint on Road, High Skid Potential.Posted 2 years ago # -
Bigbutslimmer
When I arrived here in Taffy Land a few years back I struggled with Welsh Language first signs. By the time you get to the English bit which says 'slow the **** down' its usually too late as you have spent all your time coughing and spitting your way through the first bit!
Now I'm completely used to it and my 'road sign' Welsh (and my general Welsh for that matter) is better than my Welsh wife's! Still I can see how it can cause issues.
Still back on track. Frankly my problem with Scotland is this (and I'm probably as Scottish as they come - descended from, mother was one, family from Shetlands ya de ya!) WHAT THE HECK HAPPENS WHEN THE USA DISCOVER THE JOCKS HAVE OIL?!!
Let's face it guys this is very similar to how Gulf War II started. Accusations of misdealing, oil, hostage releases etc. And surely, no wait, don't tell me; Scotland HAS got verifiable Weapons of Mass Destruction!
Frankly my opinion is that your about to hear of a new operation called Peat Bog Storm led by coalition forces and Uncle Sam. Wouldn't want to be Alex Salmond for a pension (you do have pensions?)
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There are WMDs in scotland - Faslane.
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Scotland HAS got verifiable Weapons of Mass Destruction!
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rogerthecat - Member
...Who's left? They are all down here moaning how much better it is back up there. Parliament is full of them.
Bonus for us, you get to keep them
...Reinvigorating gaelic is a very low priority in Scotland
Not where I live. For a dying language, a lot of people are interested in it. Most of my family speak it.
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For a dying language, a lot of people are interested in it. Most of my family speak it.
Which in my book is great, and I would wholeheartedly support your right to that interest. However, my point is that this anecodtal evidence and the quantifyably unstunning "success" of Welsh where it has been a mandatory curriculum item for years does not support an argument for resigning the roads etc etc etc into bi-lingual or solely Gaelic.
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I dunno G when i was at uni and aber the locals would use it all the time
basically theyd break into welsh whenever a student came into hearing rangePosted 2 years ago # -
Which in my book is great, and I would wholeheartedly support your right to that interest. However, my point is that this anecodtal evidence and the quantifyably unstunning "success" of Welsh where it has been a mandatory curriculum item for years does not support an argument for resigning the roads etc etc etc into bi-lingual or solely Gaelic.
Or remove road signs altogether?
Not where I live. For a dying language, a lot of people are interested in it. Most of my family speak it.
Surely its like Irish Gaelic but softer?
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WHAT THE HECK HAPPENS WHEN THE USA DISCOVER THE JOCKS HAVE OIL?!
It'll all be gone by then anyway.My point, btw, was why is all that extra paint on the roads? SLOW - most of Europe understands that. ARAF - no-one does, but it's dangerous putting it there.
Scotland HAS got verifiable Weapons of Mass Destruction!
Indeed we do
Not to mention..
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Have you seen their leader?! Why you'sss!!!!
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basically theyd break into welsh whenever a student came into hearing range
If I had a quid for every time I heard this crock: 'I walked in to a shop and they immediately started talking in Welsh.' The odds are they were talking Welsh when you walked in, and how did they 'immediately' know you didn't speak Welsh?
Gives me the arsehole.
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