do you think iran will be invaded ?
no but the fat one might
not while Obama is president - he's spent the whole time since coming to office trying to get US troops out of the middle east...
Invaded? No.
Nuked? Depends on the results of the American elections. But probably, yes.
No.
What with mountain bikes??????
There maybe something nasty round the corner. Israel will not let them develop nuclear weapons, Iran will keep trying. Syria may join in to try and rally the people from infighting to a commom enemy.
There are accidents waiting to happen
at the moment it seems that mossad (+ usa?) can waltz around inside iran unopposed anyway
theyve bombed at least one suspected nuclear site,
released viruses into their cybersphere
and are happy to assassinate scientists on their way to work or whilst dropping their kids off at nursery
etc etc
[url= http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57323686-503544/romney-gingrich-at-gop-debate-wed-go-to-war-to-keep-iran-from-getting-nuclear-weapons/ ]Romney and Gringrich - We'd go to war to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons[/url]
Romney said that if "crippling sanctions" and other strategies fail, military action would be on the table because it is "unacceptable" for Iran to become a nuclear power.Gingrich agreed, saying that if "maximum covert operations" and other strategies failed there would be no other choice. First, though, the United States consider "taking out their scientists," and "breaking up their systems, all of it covertly, all of it deniable," Gingrich said.
"If we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if you elect Mitt Romney, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon," said Romney.
Ron Paul strongly disagreed with his two rivals, stressing the need to go to Congress before taking military action and saying it isn't worthwhile to use military force against Iran.
"I'm afraid what's going on right now is similar to the war propaganda that went on against Iraq," he said.
not from this forum
The only redeeming feature of that Lifer is that Romney and Gingrich probably don't actually know where Iran is on the map
Bilderberg , has probably declared it is time for another conflict, with the US at the helm ...Obama having control !!! he has the control he is told to have ,like every other puppet
and relax
no way ,why would they ?
Gingrich agreed, saying that if "maximum covert operations" and other strategies failed there would be no other choice. First, though, the United States consider "taking out their scientists," and "breaking up their systems, all of it covertly, all of it deniable," Gingrich said.
What's the point in telling everyone what you're intending to do and stating that it'll be deniable?
What truly bizarre statements. The americans are gonna love him.
i could see a limited campaign/invasion to make sure all nuclear facitities are destroyed and as a many techs captured as possible. With secondary object of engaging the iranian army and complete obliterating it as per the iraqi army in the first gulf war. I don't think they'll try the occupation thing again. Go in wreak havoc and get out.
aran will fight harder and better than iraq.. they will fight dirty and they will only care about beating up israel.. they have nuclear weapons ( dirty bomb potential) and the russkies and chinese dont dislike em..
probably true, but once you've lost your airforce in the first 24 hours your doomed, even the french/italian and the raf managed to bomb an army back to the stone age in 8 weeks.
Iran did not play dirty in the Iran Iraq war. While Iraq bombed Iran with chemical weapons Iran did not. Iran did kill loads of its own people though and used the whole thing to go more and more extreme. Strange seeing pictures of Iran before the revolution. They seem so western. Anyway to me it seems that the main reason the people in Iran live under the regime they do now is down to the USA and UK policy. The status quo kind of of suits the US as they can sell weapons to the other gulf states "for defence" against Iran.
Oh I I am pretty sure that a dirty bomb is not actually a threat/real weapon in reality. They just do not work.[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb ]dirty bomb[/url]
binners - Member
The only redeeming feature of that Lifer is that Romney and Gingrich probably don't actually know where Iran is on the map
This is not a redeeming feature. They will launch the nukes a long tine before they pass 11+ geography. As long as they don't land within their own borders, they will then claim victory and justify doing it again.
Strange seeing pictures of Iran before the revolution. They seem so western.
Well the Shah had quite a lot of help...
But that's one thing that led to his downfall, the perception that he was a US puppet, along with the oppression that went on under him.
The shah was installed as as a result of UK and US involvement. They got rid of a democratic government as the leader wanted to nationalise the oil.
Lifer
Romney said that if "crippling sanctions" and other strategies fail, military action would be on the table because it is "unacceptable" for Iran to become a nuclear power.
Gingrich agreed, saying that [u]if "maximum covert operations" and other strategies failed there would be no other choice. First, though, the United States consider "taking out their scientists," and "breaking up their systems, all of it covertly, all of it deniable[/u]," Gingrich said.
A good public debate always helps keep things covert and deniable.
Quite enjoyed this when I saw it:
[url= http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-queen-of-persia/4od ]The Queen of Persia - 4OD[/url]
With secondary object of engaging the iranian army and complete obliterating it as per the iraqi army in the first gulf war
And that war went well, even from a US viewpoint ;
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/03/the-u-s-war-in-iraq-is-over-who-won/
shouldn't we beat some of the weaker teams such as the Taliban before asking the Iranians for a match?
Israel will continue to get all jumpy
The rest of the world will be all indecisive
Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike against Irans nuclear installations
Iran will retaliate and the US will be drawn into the defence of Israel.
In the meantime China will have built another 30 aircraft carriers and increased the size of their army by another 10million.
To OP what for? More mouths to feed? Too much free time on our hands to feed others?
No, even if they invite others to rule them ...
But if they cause trouble just nuke them bits by bits ...
yes, its not IF but When, we have been pushing for total middle east control sorry (regime change) for Years now ... its just around the corner IMO (cheers Israel) :O(
And that war went well, even from a US viewpoint ;http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/03/the-u-s-war-in-iraq-is-over-who-won/
shouldn't we beat some of the weaker teams such as the Taliban before asking the Iranians for a match?
the key phrase in my point was
With secondary object of engaging the iranian army and complete obliterating it as per the iraqi army in the [b]first gulf war[/b]
Israeli troops look up for dropping in on the Iranians either that or their the ones that will nuke them. After all one of Nostradamus Prophecies is that war will come from the East resulting in the end the world, oh joy!
If they only sell their oil in Euros then it'll happen.
we sure as hell wont if they have nukes which is the very reason they want nukes.
Apart from the US no one has used them offensively as there primary function is defensive ...dont **** with me as I have nukes.
It works a treat for North Korea.
Will we ..no idea the wests startling hypocrisy knows no limits so possibly.
The EU has just put in place a ban on purchasing oil from Iran (though existing contracts can run till July).
I think it's highly likely that Iran will be extensively bombed. We aren't being fed this daily anti-Iranian propaganda for nothing.
Whilst of course western governments kept very quiet about oil-rich Saudi Arabia announcing last week that they needed to build their own nuclear industry.
[url= http://www.fxstreet.com/fundamental/market-view/whats-going-on-in-the-oil-market/2012/01/19/ ]China to Aid Saudi Arabia in Nuclear Power Development[/url]
Still, the totalitarian regime in Saudi Arabia which stones to death its citizens are our mates, so that's alright then. Specially as the Saudi regime is so stable that there is no chance it will fall into the hands of "extremists"
Klunk
I stand corrected (well siting in the kitchen actually)
I think that war with Iran would be a line that the secular Israelis wouldn't be prepared to cross. Tensions are already running high between the Ultra-Orthodox, Religious Zionists and Secularists; in fact there was an article in Haaretz saying that is heading to a point where the only solution will be a 4 state one under a federal government - Palestinians, Secular Israelis, Religious Zionists and Ultra Orthodox Jews.
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I hope not as a good friend and an ex GF (EDIT and loads of other nice people) live there.
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I hope not as loads of people live there!
flippinheckler - Member... After all one of Nostradamus Prophecies is that war will come from the East resulting in the end the world, oh joy!
Woohoo! Finally end of the world! At least earth can regenerate again with the maggots infestation gone. Prresssss tttthhhhheeee bbbbuuttooon ...!
Woohoo! Finally end of the world!Prresssss tttthhhhheeee bbbbuuttooon ...!
chewkw dreams .......
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A couple of my mates are hoping they will be invaded as they will make rediculous amounts of money from the aftermath. Not my kind of thing...
There is a popular phrase that goes 'Every American president will have his war'. Well Obama hasnt had one yet......
ernie hit the nail on the head with his first post.
The propaganda war has begun, and worked. Even STW now find it acceptable to openly discuss the invasion of Iran and when it will happen.
[Tin hat time]
This forum, and others such as mumsnet, are monitored* for threads such as these.
As soon as the data shows that enough mountain bikers and yummy mummies are accepting of the invasion of another Middle Eastern Country, then Bang, in they go.
You can't even ignore the thread, there is also a counter for "What tyres for...?" threads which, when it reaches a total of 3 times asked after this thread originated , shows enough people to be indifferent to this discusion to be deemed as "invasion acceptable to the general public".
[/Tin hat time]
*no scientific proof
loum - Memberernie hit the nail on the head with his first post.
The propaganda war has begun, and worked. Even STW now find it acceptable to openly discuss the invasion of Iran and when it will happen.
No, I don't need propaganda ... there is no reason to start a war but there is every reason to nuke maggots to kingdom come. We, the parasites, deserve all that nuke can give us.
OP - Invasion by conventional land forces? No. The terrain is suited to gravity type DH/AM type adventures. Definately not and XC course like Iraq in 1991 or 2003. More likely there will be rerun of the 1981 Operation Opera by the Israelis. Of course this will need to be supported by the US, Saudi Arabia and Iraq to ensure refuelling, a clear airspace and recovery should it all go the wrong. This is assuming that the Iranians have not aquired some effective anti-aircraft missiles like the S300 from Viktor Bout's mates. There could be some special forces action on the ground. However, the US have not forgotten the shame of Operation Eagle Claw in 1980 - very embarrassing. The Iranians may use their rather effective naval forces to disrupt shipping through the 54 km wide Strait of Hormuz. The problem with this is that they need to sell their own oil to the far east via the same shipping route. With some luck the Iranians will see sense and negotiate a transparent, but robust inspection regime to verify their peaceful intentions. At least, let's hope so...otherwise Israel may have to settle it with a few well aimed Jericho IIs...
I thought North Korea was a bigger target in the eyes of
the US
The US has about 27 000 military types in South Korea and 35 000 in Japan to deal with any attack from the North Korea. The US and its allies in the region have little to fear from a conventional force. North Korea is happy with the status quo and will do nothing to risk losing it. There is little chance of the South provoking an attack without the backing of the US. I also have my own doubts about the viability of North Korea's nuclear weapons.
