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As the 2013 Junior World Champion & winner of 7 World Cups, Canyon Collective FMD’s Tahnée Seagrave needs little introduction. George & Jack sit down with her for an in-depth chat about her career so far, life with Kaos & Kade & dealing with the big injuries that have thwarted her last two seasons.
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speak tongue we continue I'm George
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Thompson and joining me once again for
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this episode is SR slim tall one visions
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jet ready Jack I saw you released the
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new episode of the vlog on YouTube this
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week and it was a day in the life a kind
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of lockdown special the writing bit
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looked fun but the the gym session I'd
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backed out by the end of the warmup how
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much of that was for the cameras I was
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testing today Johnny me and Johnny had a
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chat this morning cuz I've got a full
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fully equipped gym at home we using this
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time to kind of try and build so he was
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like write retest today so yeah the
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session I did today was an absolute
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monster cool well let's crack on because
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after 11 episodes with 17 guests in over
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14 hours of chat we finally managed to
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get our first female rider on this year
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and what a rider he's the 2013 junior
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world champion and winner of seven World
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Cups welcome to the show tiny Seagrave
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down live-tweeting yeah it's not too bad
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obviously a bit frustrating for everyone
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I think but I've got my rehab to focus
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on so for me it's not actually that much
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different to what it usually would be I
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think that's what you were saying Jackie
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isn't it it's not that different but
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I've just got most of the stress I'd
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normally have removes and I can just
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train so yeah I'd love to go racing but
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the rest of it's pretty good so I'm tiny
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how's it being locked up with Kade and
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chaos is it like having your own
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dumb and dumber they're just like follow
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each other it's quite funny they keep
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him busy in the field building jumps I
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don't actually see them that much
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because I'm burying myself in the gym so
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they haven't seen a gym in a very long
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time well let's get cracking then you
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you quite famously grew up in the Alps
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and your mum and dad had a chalet where
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pro riders used to stare but what kind
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of motivated used to start racing
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because he started really young was it
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like 2009 year like 12 or 13 something
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like that yeah I think I've always been
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so competitive from like school like
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really early on and we've got loads of
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pictures of median gymnastics standing
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on top of the podium and I I can't
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really remember a time I just didn't
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want to win everything I did so it was
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just such a natural progression for me
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to go racing like I just begged dad to
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go racing so yeah he took me despite all
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the well years of moto dad but I did
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kind of push him towards that first yeah
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it was upon me did you ever do team
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sports because the reason I asked that
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question is I I played football at a
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reasonably high level until I was about
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16 I was in and out of Honus field
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Academy but the main reason I never made
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it in football is because I'm just too
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competitive and I was useless in a team
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yeah when I was a school like middle
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school in France they played handball
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and I really enjoyed it it was it was
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really good fun but I just because like
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I always want to give my best and I put
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everything into it it would really annoy
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me when my teammates wouldn't do that
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so as much as I like I worked well in
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the team I really enjoyed it but I just
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I couldn't have that somebody else is
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like crap on to me that's just something
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that I like to do on my own stuff and I
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like to kind of see the results from
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that so but I really enjoyed it and I
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probably would have gone that on that
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road if I hadn't have found mountain
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biking yeah
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and then mountain biking's perfect for
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as you said it's all on you solo yeah so
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when you were growing up did you have
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female role models in and out of the
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sport anyone you really yeah for sure I
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remember I watched the 2004 world champs
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in the J Vanessa Quinn one and I already
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knew kind of of an Caro Rach I think
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they're like a few people that I knew of
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but because Vanessa Quinn won that race
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that I went to see she was just my
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ultimate hero and she actually came to
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stay with us the following year in our
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Chalet with Nigel Paige they were
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together at the time so that kind of
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kicked it all off for me
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so that's someone I've never actually
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even heard of so she had a baby blue she
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was writing for intense at the time baby
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blue and that's when my baby blue bike
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came from when I first saw a ride and it
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was kind of like thinking people saw and
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related me to seeee
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yeah that was just something I picked up
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from her and I wanted to be like her so
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bad and I think kind of that maybe
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planted the seed of worrying for women
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then getting out there she was so cool
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New Zealand New Zealand nice and there's
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any role models out of the sport um not
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particularly I just I think I don't know
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it's hard for me to like pick and choose
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because anyone I surround myself with I
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find it all like talented and and I love
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flying my friends and family and they
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inspire me and kind of make me a better
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person but I've never really kind of I
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wasn't that kind of kid to have posters
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on my wall and and stuff like that I was
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just kind of head down and into my own
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stuff nice does it ever enter your head
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now how much of a role model you are I
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find it nuts I just still cuz to me like
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but I'm gonna turn 25 soon and I'm still
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like that 12 year old kid that just
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wants to go and have fun and ride my
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bike it's just the same same goals and
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the same pleasure when I'm riding my
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bike so it is I still find it so crazy
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when you know even on social media and
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stuff when I get messages and so I do
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try it like I'm very aware of it so I do
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try and set a good example but yeah like
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I find it crazy
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and I want me we were going to ask does
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does it kind of influence the way you do
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portray yourself on social media and
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then when you meet the fans in person no
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I think so I think because social media
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is now my job there are a lot of thick
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personal things I try and be as open as
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possible but there are a lot of personal
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things that they're just not worth
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sharing or you know it's not relatable
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to my job anymore so there are a few
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things I kind of don't really post not
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because they're bad or anything but just
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because they're not really related but
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yeah it does it's a big influence I do
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try and put good and positive messages
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out there absolutely yeah we can see
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that as well so yeah thank you I'm
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moving on to kind of 2012 you started
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racing World Cups and at the time there
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was no separate junior category you were
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straying with the kind of elite women
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how did it feel going in with the kind
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of big guns straightaway I guess at the
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time we didn't really know any different
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yeah like that's what I had looked
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forward to I saw man on go up through
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the ranks man on carpenter at the time
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so I guess it was just so normal for me
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and I was just aiming to qualify and
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then aim free just slow a slow
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prevention top 15 I've been that top 10
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yeah it was just normal yes well you had
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a really solid first season 14th at Fort
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William 11th at the Val d'Isere and now
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at Xavier and you went you won the
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Junior World Cup title and then took
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silver at world champs in Li ago the
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following year you're a second year
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junior and after three kind of seven
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seventh place finishes you end up now
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anything the elite women's overall you
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clearly the standout junior Ryder world
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champs in Pietermaritzburg you're
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expected to win how did he deal with
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that pressure if that was crazy because
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well the thing is a year before I felt a
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lot more pressure in 2012 because I felt
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like like you say I was kind of the
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junior that was coming up and there
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wasn't really anyone around and I kind
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of set my mark even though the result
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looking back they weren't great but for
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me they were amazing I just thought that
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I was gonna win world champs in 2012 and
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I didn't and that just showed me that
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you know you can never ever think too
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highly of yourself for one and two it's
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never given never given and comfort is
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usually super dangerous and what we do
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so don't get complacent no no it's cool
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so yeah I learn I learned so much from
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that and I think 2013 in South Africa I
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kind of just all I thought was I'm just
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gonna ride my best and if I do that I
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know I can win I didn't really have I
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didn't feel a pressure but I definitely
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felt a relief when I won I was biggest
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relief today weight off the shoulders
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yeah I just felt like everyone was
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waiting for it so that was that was
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quite hard to do it yeah I think we said
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something similar that it was just nice
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to just have it done yeah anything
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anything kind of good that I've ever
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done in my entire life the only feeling
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I've ever had at the end of it is relief
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that it's gone well I kind of organize
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big projects big events and it's never a
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feeling of light of a you know joy at
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the end it's just always a feeling it I
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mean that wasn't a disaster do you want
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that raced by over seven seconds
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becoming junior world champion how did
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you like Peter Mullan Pietermaritzburg
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track at the time I think it was kind of
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mixed feelings because there were huge
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jumps which as a junior and the person I
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am I enjoyed getting through them and
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being one of the only girls so there was
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this huge moneymaker jump I'm not sure
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if you're how it was it was huge was
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like a hit and all I could think about
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all week I wasn't even thinking about
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when I was I'm gonna hit that jump I'm
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gonna hit it in my race friend and I
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think the fact that I kind of I don't
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know I said challenge for myself there
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it kind of took my thoughts off of that
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and yeah I don't know it's crazy it's so
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long ago I can't
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really
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yeah I remember really liking it but
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there was a big flat pedal in it and
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that was not not me at all so you'd
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still do now like if there was a big
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feature on a course you wouldn't serve
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it now till your restaurant idea no I'm
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not like that anymore no mental
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breakdowns and walk away from the track
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and decide to not train for an hour or
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so eight NYADA yet was scary yet 2014
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year first year elite and you had four
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podium finishes you finished fifth in
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the overall and then you're part of a
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British one two three at Worlds tell us
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a little bit about that season because
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you were fifth in the world but you're
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only kind of third in Britain did man on
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the battle between man on and Rachel did
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that kind of take a bit of the pressure
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off you drag you along at the same time
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yeah I think I was I was so and like
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adjusted to having that competition
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anyway at Nationals yeah but I don't
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know I I guess I never I thought I
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always saw it as a good thing and just I
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wasn't at the time I wasn't expecting to
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win or even come top three so they
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weren't really my goals yeah so I guess
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I don't know yeah I just always I just
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wanted to be within a certain time of
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the girls or if went to a national I
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wanted you know I didn't want to be like
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too far behind those do my goals at the
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time 20 2015 year three podiums and
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fourth in their overall 2016 for podiums
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and fourth in the overall when we talked
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to Lori if a few weeks back we talked
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about how he's ascent kind of from
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Junius to where he is now has almost
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been like textbook consistently
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improving year-on-year and yours has
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been really similar he said that he
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looks at what other top riders did at
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certain ages to make goals for himself
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kind of previously shown that it is
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achievable since the start of your
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procreate career have you looked far
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ahead and had girls and m's that you
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wanted to achieve by certain edges no
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you don't look at a lineup
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yeah no I'm I don't know I take it
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every race as it comes I'm kind of like
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every day as it comes to let alone I
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know I know I want to I want to win a
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World Cup overall like I want to be
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world champion I want to do this I'm
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only that but like sometimes you can
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work very hard toward these things and
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it not even happened you know downhill
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is so unpredictable so you could be the
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one that's working the hardest and you
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can get a flat tire on the day so it's
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not something I attach myself to like
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attaching myself to those thoughts I
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feel like it's pretty scary because I
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get so invested and I'm so emotional so
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I kind of have to avoid stuff like that
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but as long as I know that everyday I
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kind of do the best I can
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I've definitely seen the improvement in
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the gym and on the bike and different
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types of bikes and that for me is my
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goal is I just want to get better every
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day so I feel like if I keep at that
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then there's no reason why I wouldn't be
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able to achieve the goals I have cool
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2016 will always kind of be remembered
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for rituals for teen race winning run
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how did it feel to be race you know when
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she was on that run did did it feel like
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she was unbeatable or did the run kind
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of just come together and then go again
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I don't know I felt like she was honest
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she was definitely on a good streak for
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sure but I didn't there was no part of
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me that thought she was unbeatable know
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like but I guess that's just being a
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racer and like you you don't really go
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into a race thinking that you're gonna
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lose I don't know I just thought I I
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knew she was on good form she was on the
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best form of anyone there and that was
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but that is what spurred me on I was I
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want to be in that form I want to do
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that I want to do better than that so in
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a way it really pushed me to to kind of
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do it myself I guess and wants to be
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wanting to be in that position now push
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you to get more from yourself with
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Rachel being someone I'm sure I've heard
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you say on a podcast oh you maybe even
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said it to me I can't remember but I'm
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sure you've said you've kind of looked
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up to her as an athlete and a racer from
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a young age how has it felt the times
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you have been surreal super-cereal
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I think it's being out like obviously
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it's been so long now that we've been
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racing each other and it was kind of a
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natural progression in a way that you
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know I was there for a very long time I
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had numerous second places to Rachel I
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up I don't even know how many second
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place I've had a lot more than Y being
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us so it was just normal but I remember
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I know that one of my goals was to be at
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the bottom and wait for Ono be at the
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top sorry and her be at the bottom and
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wait for me to come down and me come
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with a green light and that happened in
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2018 invalid so and that is one race
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that I remember because I just be the
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girl that I looked up to my whole career
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but was the best mountain biker in the
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world so that was a pre that was the
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only race I've ever kind of you know
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tightened myself on the back for me like
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and on the most physical track as well
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yeah the track that scares me the most
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and after having Allen no way on the
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podcast last week you was really
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complimentary to how strong Rachel is
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for you and beyond one of the most
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physical tracks on the circuit quite a
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young age 22 at the time is that right
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yeah yeah so that's that's really
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impressive
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do you enjoy the competitive rival rival
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yeah sometimes it's you know it's it's
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tiring as you know like well cup like
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competition it's you know those I get on
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well with Rachel but it you can feel the
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tension there is as soon as like the
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race is on and it's just it's all a bit
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like but you're just in your zone you're
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just in your zone some people are very
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combative and they just deal with stuff
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in different ways yeah and yes at first
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it was hard but I got used to it and I
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realized that I enjoy it you know it's
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it's all fun and games at the end of the
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day real racing bike so I enjoy it and
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you know I'm not I don't really take
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things too personally so yeah she said I
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don't think it can I just say when
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you're racing and it's such a
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high-pressure
17:57
intense environment it was quite
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interesting I think Danny said something
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to like on a podcast about how Danny
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doesn't understand how like and various
18:10
other people are so huggy and so yeah
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exactly and like you can really respect
18:19
both sides of it the fact that like and
18:22
those guys can be you can set knots or
18:26
losses or you could word however you
18:28
want what they can in such a
18:30
high-pressure environment be so openly
18:32
happy to have not one this is right now
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is so good is because there's so many
18:37
personalities and like you have to have
18:40
a particular personality to want to go
18:42
as fast as you can down a hill and not
18:44
even consider the risks for a second
18:46
before you drop in so I think everyone's
18:50
got an immense amount of respect for
18:51
each other which is also so nice but
18:54
yeah everyone just kind of does their
18:56
own thing then they on the weekend if
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you're chatting you find other people
18:59
that are chatty you like exactly you're
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not then you just your head down it's
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everyone's got respect for each other
19:05
and yeah at that high level and such an
19:08
intense like it's just so the emotions
19:10
of Daniel was so intense I think
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everyone just kind of all right like
19:15
everyone just Pat's each other on the
19:17
back that was the thing about Daniel
19:24
it's it's so impressive that he's just
19:28
got the balls to say that he doesn't
19:30
understand now people feel happy to have
19:32
not one he's there and when he doesn't
19:35
win he's pissed off so do you find that
19:41
the rivalry you have with obviously
19:43
Milan's retired now book let's add her
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into the equation and the rivalry you'd
19:48
say out with man on and Rachel being
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British do you find that some more
19:51
intense rivalry than you have with say
19:53
like Miriam and Tracy because they're
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British I don't think I've ever seen it
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that way yeah personally I to me I'm
20:05
always if I lose I'm not annoyed that
20:07
anyone I'm annoying it myself and it's
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always for me it's always been erased
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the answer clock I had to learn that
20:13
because you just can't focus on anyone
20:16
in particular because then you lose
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focus on yourself and you know you know
20:19
it sort of like it just gets worse and
20:21
worse so not not to me you know I don't
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the fact that British or not a Frenchman
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it would nothing changes
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but I I do feel like maybe the fact that
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I'm British and I'm like I was
20:34
up-and-coming and you know I think it
20:37
was that's why there's so much
20:38
competitive competitiveness between
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Rachel and I yeah absolutely
20:46
go on and George I think I'm back to you
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at the end of 2016 you moved to Wales in
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the off season and you had a fantastic
20:54
2017 winning your first World Cup in
20:56
leaa going and then following it up with
20:58
wins in Monster nanavali Sol finished
21:01
second in the overall behind pom-pom but
21:03
you you were more races than her how big
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a part in that success was the move back
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to the UK I think it was it was
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definitely a part of the journey that
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was leading to the you know my first win
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and stuff so it was a huge part of it
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for sure just the whole scene and the
21:22
vibe and everyone riding and now I've
21:24
got like this insane group of friends
21:26
and we we were just hang out and session
21:29
stuff and I never really did that as a
21:30
kid growing up in in moseying like
21:32
obviously it's heaven for downhill and
21:34
this summer was insane but not really
21:36
many kids we're into it you know and
21:38
especially not girls
21:39
so definitely coming back and being able
21:43
to ride in the winter and just grab your
21:45
bike with your mates and have a laugh
21:47
that's what I was missing in my life so
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yeah it helped a lot you've said winning
21:53
that first World Cup was just a feeling
21:54
of relief how big was it for you to get
21:57
that kind of monkey off your back and
21:59
yeah well it was a relief it was a
22:02
bittersweet one because Rach wasn't
22:06
competing and obviously we've mentioned
22:09
it a few times she's she's the biggest
22:11
rival there is because she's so good so
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it was I I was happy that I got the win
22:17
out the way but it wasn't to me it
22:19
wasn't my first win it didn't feel like
22:22
that's not why I was there
22:24
or like obviously you race you over
22:27
there but deep down I was like man
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that's just not for me
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yeah why was she not there yeah okay so
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my mum retired at the end of 2017 and
22:40
obviously you two were very close did
22:43
that affect you in any way was it
22:45
difficult to adapt when she'd gone I
22:47
didn't understand I think at first why
22:51
she stops the way she did I think has
22:56
I've won more and learned more and lost
22:59
more it's kind of and growing off a lot
23:03
more it is very understandable it's so
23:05
intense and I think now second injury is
23:08
just it does make sense but you know
23:12
sometimes I can imagine that it gets too
23:15
much but yeah I was very confused at a
23:17
time and just you know I remember trying
23:19
to persuade her to the knot and we would
23:21
always go on rides before racing and
23:23
after racing or in-between like just our
23:27
little spins and stuff so I didn't start
23:29
for miss miss that but
23:32
you know at the end of the day I'm there
23:33
to go and do a job so you can't get too
23:36
attached
23:37
just if you make it's not there anymore
23:38
it's it's not middle school is it so but
23:41
no she was a lot happier to do it that
23:43
way and exactly like Josh Bryson was and
23:46
I'm sorry that she's kind of found some
23:48
you know a little niche and and she
23:50
Stokes though how many years older than
23:53
you one year okay the 2018 he had
24:01
another three wins in Fort William Baldi
24:03
solemn vow Lord you put him to all but
24:06
one World Cup second in the overall
24:08
behind rich I mean if he hadn't been
24:10
disqualified in Leah going after going
24:12
off track who knows what would have
24:13
happened how much did that hurt yeah
24:20
yeah yeah time sorry
24:24
good now was the anger yourself was it
24:27
anger the UCI was it uh I don't think
24:31
I've ever been angry it's just you know
24:33
the rules are rules it was a city that
24:36
what annoys me is obviously I didn't do
24:39
it on purpose right I obviously lost
24:41
time I obviously like it was just like
24:44
it was enough of a it was enough of a
24:48
big already like but to then disqualify
24:51
me when previous races it's been let go
24:54
for some people in the same race it
24:56
would let go for some people that's
24:57
what's frustrating but the day there's
25:00
nothing you can do yeah it's because we
25:07
obviously we're gonna go to CDI and say
25:10
we didn't manage to get hold them till
25:13
late and evening because you know what
25:15
it's like this they're hard to get hold
25:17
of and yeah they were they were like oh
25:19
it's too late to anything now but yeah
25:21
you're right
25:24
like when points of that valuable but I
25:29
then went on thinking this isn't gonna
25:32
do anything to my teeth and I was like
25:34
let's do this it doesn't matter I'm
25:35
gonna be that one that can get
25:37
disqualified and it can go on and you
25:39
know and not affect the season which I
25:41
don't feel like it did at all in the end
25:43
and yeah I missed out on you Robert I
25:45
had
25:45
good races are for that race who knows
25:48
if I'd won that race or even got third
25:50
or ever it might not have been the same
25:52
yeah yeah crazy really when you look at
25:55
it that you've been second twice and the
25:58
first time you won more races than pom
26:00
pom and the second time you got kind of
26:02
a weird D s cube in in Lea gang that's
26:07
pretty unlucky in it really is the you
26:10
know I'm not the only one to get
26:12
unlocking it's for and I don't know I
26:14
feel like people knew you know the
26:18
people who mattered people that are
26:21
close to me everyone knew I knew that
26:24
I'd won the most World Cups that I'd
26:26
performed at my best but I just didn't
26:29
deserve to win the world for obviously
26:30
if not I would have done so and I know I
26:33
was stoked for both pom pom and reach
26:35
that one
26:36
you know they they've had their unlucky
26:38
times and that hai must have felt so
26:41
high compared to their lows that they've
26:43
had and I'm sure I get my high soon so
26:46
good mature attitude to have and it's
26:50
the best attitude to move forward from
26:51
this if you were spitting then how do
26:56
you move forward positively and build on
26:58
it whereas yeah everything you've just
26:59
said you can build on that and become a
27:01
better athlete a better competitor you
27:04
talked before you you follow a process
27:09
rather than following race results and a
27:13
few people we've had on have said
27:14
exactly the same thing that because if
27:16
the race results dip you know you can't
27:19
you can't pick yourself up from that so
27:21
you have to follow a process Rachael's
27:24
run up worlds in lenser hide in 2018
27:27
is probably I think hands hands down
27:31
sorry my in my mind the best female
27:34
downhill run I've ever seen think yeah
27:42
it was somewhat like 11.8% back on like
27:45
time that day which is really close for
27:48
a female athlete did you leave lens a
27:51
hard thinking that's the run of a
27:52
lifetime you can't you can't stop it or
27:55
was it I want to do that to everyone
27:57
else
27:58
what effect
27:59
join of that run have on you well my
28:02
Iran or her on her run run run to me he
28:07
I like I don't I don't mean it in a bad
28:10
way but wasn't my problem like if that
28:14
make like if I think that it's not my I
28:17
wasn't man
28:18
yeah I would like do it like look like I
28:21
learned stuff from a run because she put
28:23
a million and ten percent in it but so
28:26
much could have gone wrong yeah and we
28:28
on it like that was a hundred ten
28:30
percent race run there's and she said it
28:32
herself like there are so many times
28:34
that she nearly went down and fair
28:36
played her for not but I'm not that
28:38
racer I don't give 110 percent and there
28:41
was I took it in a compliment as a
28:44
compliment because the only reason she
28:46
went 110 percent was because I had
28:50
crashed in qualies and I was still ahead
28:52
and you know we had and at this point we
28:54
were neck and neck all season so yeah I
28:57
was like I'm super peed off and I got
29:00
down as my run was terrible like I stiff
29:03
enough and it's not often that happens
29:05
but I hadn't had a medal for four years
29:08
I'd crashing every single world champs
29:10
run since my junior years so well since
29:12
sorry the bronze and all I got at half
29:15
shell
29:16
so for me to finish on the podium with a
29:18
crap run my silver medal in sight I'll
29:22
take that yeah yeah they're running us
29:27
that the run was outstanding flight
29:29
insane run but it doesn't for me to
29:33
think about it or dwell on it won't ya
29:36
won't bring me forward or won't help me
29:38
in any way you know did you think should
29:40
retire afterwards well there were rumors
29:44
about it but I really I race rate for a
29:50
long time and you know I I probably know
29:54
her a lot better than a lot of people
29:56
even if we're not super close yeah but I
30:01
didn't think she was gonna retire so on
30:06
to 2019 last season before we go to talk
30:11
about Mara gore
30:13
you didn't go so well a Triola at the
30:16
national or is it because you're one of
30:23
those athletes who sees events like that
30:26
is not a great deal of benefit versus
30:30
risk when there's a big risk coming up
30:32
was there another reason I don't know I
30:35
honestly if I knew the answer then I
30:39
tell you yeah it's just I have no idea I
30:43
do so crap but Nationals it's insane and
30:46
everyone's like oh she's playing a game
30:48
while she's holding my home I'm not I
30:49
went as fast I don't know why I'm ten
30:53
seconds back like I don't know I do feel
30:56
like maybe there's not as much of me to
30:58
gain and you know it's more about
31:02
focusing on all the little details for
31:04
me it's stuff like that on stuff I have
31:06
time to work on because it well cups you
31:08
don't and it you don't actually get that
31:09
many races so for me at a race like that
31:12
it's more all in tiny details food wise
31:16
and I don't know other stuff so I don't
31:19
really focus yes the result and for
31:24
being so competitive it's crazy but the
31:26
result for me a national just it just
31:28
doesn't I don't know I guess I've been
31:30
beating so many years in a row by like
31:32
we said Rachel a man on for me like a
31:35
national win just isn't tied up when we
31:41
had reached on the podcast he said that
31:42
I'm just gonna turn my light on sorry
31:51
what'd you get so yeah when we have
31:54
Reese on the podcast he said he said
31:57
that it's such a risk doing a full full
32:02
race run at full tilt that he can't get
32:04
up for it for doing that at Nationals
32:07
you rather a World Nationals rider and
32:10
and you just can't motivate himself to
32:14
put it on the line a kind of national
32:17
level yeah I think you know we always
32:20
its to say to to chaos and our juniors
32:23
and all the people we've had on a team
32:25
we like because they're so invest
32:26
the International so you are as a kid
32:28
because that's like that is a mini well
32:30
couple of pros are there it's insane but
32:32
you save them you'll realize when you
32:34
start racing their World Cups you kindly
32:37
realize that you don't you just don't
32:39
want to risk as much as Nationals
32:41
because you do have a World Cup to go to
32:43
you like and that's way kind of you know
32:47
your job is you know I know a lot of
32:48
athletes that you know their contracts
32:51
demand more from World Cups than do
32:53
Nationals and you know I sadly slowly
32:56
side to drop out of nationally because I
32:58
was I was so tired from racing the World
33:00
Cups even if there's not many but
33:02
training wise when you go racing you're
33:04
d-train like it just depends for me
33:07
Nationals were practice yeah they were
33:11
training okay so you then went on to win
33:15
the first round of the World Cup Series
33:17
maragall how did you feel after winning
33:20
that looking ahead at the rest of the
33:22
season
33:23
knowing you were leading the series yeah
33:28
I felt really good I felt good when I
33:31
was in Mary bore I felt you know I had
33:33
it I trained so hard yeah I just I had
33:38
good feelings about the whole season and
33:40
and I worked I just I work super hard
33:42
for Mary Ball that whole week was it was
33:45
it felt so so nice to take the win there
33:47
so but yeah obviously we all know what
33:50
happened rocking the number one buy it
33:56
for a few corners but for those four
34:03
corners I don't even know it has none
34:05
one thing you don't see it me but now I
34:08
am it was so man I was I actually
34:11
thought when I got the number one thing
34:13
I was i how I know I said this before
34:19
just now but I will see was it was cool
34:23
it was so so cool I just I I didn't let
34:25
go of it I had it in my bag all day I
34:27
was just like this is cool maybe jinx
34:29
myself a little bit next time talk us
34:33
through the crash then was it on this
34:35
the three steps
34:39
yeah it was you know what I was in the
34:41
gondola Rachel spell on your something I
34:47
know I wonder how bad the track has to
34:51
get before it's real bad I don't know as
34:53
I thought William never changes like
34:56
it's always the same shoes on I don't
34:57
know it's rained a lot like it would be
34:59
the same as it always has been come into
35:02
this triple drop double drop thing and
35:05
there's a hole right where there's never
35:06
fall and that we're from we'll just went
35:10
straight into it and Fort Williams
35:11
annoying because you know I would say
35:13
being complacent is dangerous and we
35:17
have Nationals air we train there I know
35:18
exactly where the track goes but the
35:20
tape was slightly different and when
35:22
you're racing all packs and you follow
35:23
the tape and I followed the faith and it
35:25
wasn't my life and yeah I just I don't
35:29
know just came in hot for a first run I
35:31
guess I love I love it when it's raining
35:33
and when I when I'm riding raining but
35:35
it was so cold yeah I just wasn't
35:40
prepared I think to take an impact like
35:42
that yeah I remember watching red ball
35:46
and I think that was it before that race
35:49
they asked you to say I'm here to win
35:53
yeah I refuse to say that I used to say
35:56
why why did that bring up like red flags
35:58
for you I'm just not I would never I
36:02
don't know that's just to me that's been
36:07
overly confident and I'm not that person
36:10
so yeah I'm I'm struggle a lot with
36:13
confidence so that was when they told me
36:16
to say that I was like 18 joking and
36:21
they were like oh you're not here to win
36:22
I was like well yeah I want to win but
36:26
I'm not here yeah there are many races
36:32
that can win but why should it be mean
36:34
like I just want to keep I don't know I
36:37
was dark horse for so many years I I
36:40
like keeping myself fire and myself so
36:44
yeah that was a bit of a red flag for me
36:46
so you were out for like nearly three
36:49
months returning for world champs at
36:52
Mont st.
36:52
we're kind of mind-blowing really really
36:55
after an injury like that you picked up
36:56
a silver medal it looks like it'd be
36:59
really tough to come back from a
37:00
shoulder injury and being competitive
37:02
there were you surprised with yours and
37:06
pompoms results or were you in her kind
37:09
of play in the game a bit I know you're
37:10
out in Whistler beforehand we both like
37:12
yeah we're going under the radar here
37:15
we're actually but you know I think I
37:23
think pom pom definitely knew she had a
37:26
shot yeah sure
37:27
from you know I spent the two weeks in
37:29
Whistler pretty much riding with her and
37:32
and chillin with her and yeah she seemed
37:35
confident but not overly she was just
37:37
she was just enjoying riding her bike
37:39
and Whistler and she looked good and I
37:41
wrote about I couldn't keep up and you
37:43
know it didn't really matter to me cuz
37:45
we were in we're on such different I
37:47
always get going to Whistler to ride my
37:49
bike again she was in Whistler to get
37:51
ready for World so we were there for
37:53
bear it's like two very different
37:54
reasons and she raced a Crankworx race
37:57
and she won that and yeah I just think
38:00
she felt really good and I might and she
38:02
was enjoying at her bike time and the
38:05
last day we went to the bar at the
38:07
bottom of the hill and we were having a
38:09
drink in my literary end-of-day
38:11
someone's coming I was saying could you
38:13
imagine if we went one and two at once
38:16
and she and she said to me she's I don't
38:18
care if you win or I win as long as it's
38:20
one of us one and two she's like how
38:21
good would that be I laughed and I was
38:23
like well you can go ahead if you want
38:25
but I think I'm pretty far behind from
38:27
the riding weird answer and that was
38:30
literally the last words we said to each
38:32
other in Whistler and then turned up to
38:34
Worlds and ass file on all the podium
38:36
pictures of Everest like two little kids
38:44
did you been close to her before kind of
38:47
last season yeah I've been close to pom
38:50
pom a long time I've known her for a
38:52
very long time but only over the past
38:54
I'd say three four years that we got
38:57
close we just didn't do the same things
39:00
I think we're the same type of racer
39:02
we've got the same mindset you know we
39:06
just there to kind of enjoy riding their
39:08
bikes and that's it really so with me
39:23
two of the top five women together all
39:26
the time you know I think I don't I
39:29
wouldn't accept an offer with an over
39:31
top top female rider you wouldn't just
39:34
no I wouldn't
39:35
[Music]
39:38
I don't think that it wouldn't end well
39:41
I just think no no I said for me to
39:43
picture any team huh I said work well
39:47
not end well well with pom pom I'd be
39:59
alright it's just you know it's hard
40:02
because I've ever known is being not
40:05
center of attention but no it's I've
40:08
worked hard to get to where I am you
40:10
know my dad and my family and stuff and
40:13
hence why I've never gone for a big team
40:15
I guess so yeah the thought of it I just
40:17
I can't really ever imagine something
40:20
like that yeah we're going to come on to
40:21
that stuff in a bit but I just thought
40:23
were you talking about there I thought
40:24
what you'd say if I asked you if you you
40:27
know would you like do you have a train
40:31
with any of the other top girls to kind
40:32
of help push each other along not well
40:35
me and pom pom rode with each other in
40:37
months and annum and snowshoe and we
40:40
ride together we do a few runs together
40:42
and like here and there at the World
40:44
Cups but it's hard because you want to
40:45
look at different things you want to you
40:47
know stop and yeah check stuff out but
40:50
in months and and she took me over all
40:54
the technical stuff I would have stopped
40:55
and looked but I just followed her in
40:56
and she just literally picked a bike up
41:00
over everything so easy first run I was
41:02
just like oh my god not a good light
41:05
start for me so I got to the bathroom
41:08
and I was like right I'm gonna do the
41:09
jump then you know the big jump at the
41:11
bottom and I was like right your turn to
41:13
buy me and because this is what happened
41:15
she doesn't text us I do the jumps it's
41:17
just away
41:19
and she was that you gonna do that first
41:21
round I was like you've just literally
41:23
went through the best line in the rock
41:24
garden first run like I was behind us
41:27
[Laughter]
41:29
and I was like yeah I'm gonna do the
41:31
jump first one so ended the jump first
41:33
run just to prove a point I was
41:38
definitely wrong yeah nice
41:42
that's cool so with them with yourself
41:46
Miriam and Rachel out for a chunk of our
41:48
season we saw a big kind of change in
41:51
the dyno the women's top ten it's gonna
41:54
be really exciting to see what happens
41:55
when we do go race and with that top ten
41:58
with you all been hopefully back and fit
42:00
and healthy what's your take on how the
42:03
top ten is gonna look have you got any
42:05
kind of ah I don't know I'm super
42:11
excited to see how bad he gets on
42:13
because I think that was the most
42:16
exciting time for me so yeah you know
42:19
coming up through the ranks and I'm a
42:21
bit you know it's frustrating for her
42:23
that her first year of elite has been
42:25
taken away from her obviously there's a
42:27
lot more going on in the world but I
42:29
feel like you really could have made a
42:32
mark and that would have been really
42:34
cool for her but I have no idea no idea
42:38
my team stepped it up but that was no
42:41
surprise that was always going to happen
42:43
it's kind of when you're in it every day
42:46
you see these patterns and I feel like
42:48
you know the girls confidence did grow a
42:50
lot without the girls being there but to
42:54
me it kind of made me think like why why
42:57
did that have to happen for their
42:59
confidence to grow like the podium spots
43:02
were never taken in the first thanks it
43:05
was a good it was good for them all for
43:07
sure and but I yeah I didn't really I
43:10
tend not to obviously watch it when I
43:12
was injured and stuff I tried not to
43:14
[ __ ] I didn't follow it but just not as
43:16
closely as I usually would be invested
43:18
into it but yeah it was it was cool to
43:21
see but like I say that I would love for
43:23
them to attack but the rounds as much as
43:25
they did then when we're there as well I
43:27
feel like there was a point where maybe
43:28
they felt defeat before it even started
43:31
and I used to feel like that a lot with
43:33
we're Rachel but yeah hopefully you know
43:36
the spots always open it's always it's
43:38
never got someone's name on it you're
43:40
excited to see the category becoming
43:42
more competitive and you do want to see
43:43
those
43:44
I'm sure that means though the win will
43:47
be so much sweeter so it's just exciting
43:49
that you work well no I don't work hard
43:52
but you just work a lot harder you'll be
43:54
more focused and that win will mean a
43:56
lot more yep Red Bull formation tell us
44:01
a little bit about that how gnarly was
44:04
it it was pretty gnarly but at the same
44:07
time we we were safe we were super safe
44:10
you know maybe too safe but yeah Katie
44:12
Holden came to see us him where was it
44:17
Whistler and they gathered us round a
44:20
few girls and she was like look I want
44:21
to put this group together what do you
44:24
think
44:24
Sani everyone were like yeah we come out
44:27
to Utah like pretty crazy but when we go
44:30
there I was just like oh my god I was
44:34
like I thought I knew what they cuz I
44:37
ride a bike I go down steep stuff flat
44:39
and they watch this look like you know
44:43
you just I just didn't expect for that
44:45
type of exposure and like I couldn't
44:48
even walk up to the top I was just like
44:49
there is no way I'm walking up there I
44:51
didn't even have a bike on me we're just
44:52
going to scope the lines and I was like
44:54
no that's their way this fight
44:57
ridges like this small with like 100
45:00
foot clinics either side and like a
45:02
little drop and some of the girls like
45:05
that way now I meet like Makeda was a
45:07
Tasha Seville drop I'm like yeah the one
45:10
next to it isn't yeah you just have to
45:13
click the pedals like yeah exactly you
45:16
just have to clear it all no my luck our
45:18
triple pedal so yeah we were allowed to
45:23
cut I think it was more about experience
45:25
in the desert getting to actually know
45:28
firsthand and they see what the guys do
45:30
and just kind of push each other and get
45:33
comfortable in that environment so
45:39
racing not that it's never not been
45:41
serious is now so intense and serious
45:44
among all the ones I guess was
45:47
the top athletes the levels improving
45:49
year-on-year would you say you're a
45:52
hundred percent about racing as an
45:56
athlete may seem like a strange question
45:59
but it won't in a minute I don't really
46:04
know how to answer that
46:05
because I would I don't know what I'd do
46:09
without racing I go mental that racing I
46:12
love racing my heart was always being in
46:15
racing and I had to learn to not race to
46:19
have fun like I said when I picked up a
46:22
bike in session with everyone else and
46:26
that's great but it doesn't bring me the
46:30
same like feelings the racing does it
46:34
just doesn't so I guess I'm super
46:38
invested into racing but I'm also a
46:40
strong believer that that's not it like
46:43
that no I I get same joy when I'm riding
46:46
a bike it's super hard because I I'm I'm
46:50
such a racing I love racing and I will
46:53
only switch on when I need to but I've
46:56
also learned to kind of love the part
46:59
but isn't racing but I had to learn that
47:01
which I find quite funny yeah that's a
47:03
great answer and it leads me nicely into
47:05
where I'm going with it
47:07
so you spend a lot of time with chaos
47:10
okay obviously both incredibly talented
47:14
flamboyant young riders I don't think
47:18
either of them would argue with me if I
47:21
said they probably weren't a hundred
47:23
percent about racing especially chaos I
47:26
think I mean is it the free racer thing
47:29
they're developing it's super hard those
47:32
two tonight cuz they're so unpredictable
47:39
yeah so do you ever find yourself
47:45
feeling and like you get distracted or
47:47
maybe pulled away from the strict kind
47:51
of training regime that you live by
47:53
being fully focused on racing and doing
47:57
more kind of fun sessions like you've
47:59
described
48:01
playing around with I think it's funny
48:03
because we're like we're opposites so
48:07
the boys will avoid training not avoid
48:10
it but you know they're like our trails
48:12
so Jim whereas I'm like I just won't
48:19
miss the gym session unless I really
48:21
have to or a training session like I get
48:25
I get super paranoid if I don't or if I
48:29
miss something I feel like I've got that
48:30
constant feeling I feel like I'm never
48:32
doing enough and the boys have that but
48:37
in their right like in that side of
48:40
their adding like they feel like they're
48:42
not getting enough tricks they feel like
48:44
they're missing out on fun like the FOMO
48:46
they have like missing out on a trail
48:48
session okay oh my god you would not
48:53
believe it like it's insane but they
48:56
just love riding their bikes like yeah
48:58
I've never seen him before and I can
49:01
quite happily put my bike now for you
49:03
know we can I like to get the itch to
49:06
ride again but they do it for like five
49:08
minutes and it's just to me it doesn't
49:10
make sense so in a way we work really
49:13
well together because they take me away
49:14
from that paranoia not trained enough
49:16
with something everyone and it's really
49:18
good for me mentally and then vice versa
49:21
I think when they see me training and
49:23
sometimes you know they feel like they
49:25
they haven't done that come and join me
49:27
and stuff so I think it's it's actually
49:29
like a really really good punch yeah
49:32
yeah what I've taken from what you said
49:34
there is that your focus is the racing
49:38
and I'm just there the things that they
49:41
add to your training is he's good and
49:45
that was what I was going to say like do
49:47
you feel the opportunity you have to
49:49
train on the bikes with those guys gives
49:53
you a bit of an advantage in terms of
49:55
like broadening your training on the
49:57
bike and proving your skill conference
49:59
on the bike some of the other girls
50:00
might not have yeah I think like the
50:03
boys helped me a lot but I think the
50:06
difference is there
50:07
the difference is there so that's so
50:10
good I can't really relate to anything
50:13
they do like ever so example Barrow
50:17
should I go riding with all the time
50:19
it's not far from me at all I think
50:21
she's helped me immensely with my riding
50:24
because you know I learned how to do in
50:26
no-handed last year because he was doing
50:30
it and like it made me I enjoyed having
50:34
that seeing that tiny bit of progression
50:36
that when you're at the top of you know
50:39
your game and you're trying to improve
50:41
that it's tiny milliseconds and you
50:43
don't always see it that side of things
50:45
was super refreshing and made me you
50:48
know fall in love with bikes all over
50:49
again yeah and adds confidence to your
50:52
whole package I guess ya know it's it's
50:55
been like I think riding with vero is
50:57
probably one of the few on the top lists
50:59
of know things that have helped me on my
51:02
bike for sure but riding with the boys
51:05
difficult to kind of take yeah it's hard
51:08
because they're just said to good like I
51:10
can't follow them down a hill I can't
51:12
like I'm gonna do an upper three six
51:14
it's like let's have a game by John
51:25
obviously I asked you about pom pom I
51:28
don't think you'd ever have like a top
51:29
10 male teammate that's correct isn't it
51:32
yeah yeah do you think you get any
51:35
benefit from that okay I'm so I'm such a
51:42
I think I enjoy working stuff out on my
51:45
own so much and like I say like the it
51:48
is good to have the lines of those boys
51:53
obviously in the help you end up seeing
51:55
that anyway on tape like you end up
51:57
seeing it and well I wouldn't mind
52:00
having another but you know we just
52:02
can't afford it you just wouldn't be
52:04
able to but I do feel like sometimes it
52:07
would be very helpful but then I'm like
52:09
but I'm my own race there anyway like we
52:12
won't see the same thing the amount of
52:13
arguments being cows have on track on
52:15
where to go is just like some a I have
52:18
to walk away so
52:20
like I I think yeah I think I know my
52:23
own ability and I do I do have
52:25
confidence Mon ability and I think you
52:28
know having Cade there anyway and chaos
52:30
there I can go and talk to them and and
52:32
no one I trust more than those two
52:35
people when you way so yeah they're
52:37
gonna be honest with you ya know I don't
52:40
know like there's nothing there's never
52:42
anything I've kind of looked at other
52:44
than like a gnarly line but it's not
52:46
very often that I will chicken out of
52:48
something or if there's a jump like I'll
52:51
be like well I'm gonna do it I like
52:54
there's no doubt that I'm not going to
52:56
end up doing it yeah cool is it there's
53:00
a Red Bull athlete do they steer you in
53:03
any particular direction just thinking
53:05
back to the kind of formation thing not
53:07
really for like obviously we have like
53:10
I'm very close to Red Bull UK and
53:13
whatever Red Bull over what they do I
53:15
have no idea about unless they contact
53:18
me for something but no they just leave
53:23
me to it I guess you know they I don't
53:26
know I know there's an image you know
53:28
painted of them being strict and stuff
53:31
but they have given me so much like
53:34
freedom with what I do and they've let
53:37
me be me which I was actually quite
53:39
scared of you know at first and but ya
53:42
know incredible support obviously well
53:44
my rehab and stuff yeah how did you find
53:48
working for them in front of the camera
53:50
last season is it something you'd like
53:52
to do when you retire from racing it was
53:57
it was a lot of work more than you
54:00
expected I don't really want to watch
54:07
the race so I do want to watch it I
54:09
don't want to get invested so you know
54:11
give me the mic I'll go and talk to some
54:12
riders and like I had this earpiece and
54:15
it was going off every five minutes know
54:17
like whatever you do don't tell your
54:18
pizza and so is what you do all day I
54:24
was so tired I was running back and
54:26
forth and then some of the questions I
54:27
had to ask the riders oh my god and then
54:29
some of them don't shut up when I was
54:31
eyes this what I do and I won't go right
54:41
[Laughter]
54:49
and it was a hard job so credit to them
54:52
that's my day job the producer I'm the
54:55
guy talking to you telling you I cut
54:57
them off now that we've got an outbreak
54:58
girl go girl honestly I yeah it was hard
55:01
but I got the hang of it and you know it
55:03
was pretty fun so I think maybe after
55:05
I'm done I don't know I'd love to
55:07
commentate on people's runs but I feel
55:09
like I might slip a few naughty words or
55:13
some yeah I'm not very good at buying my
55:17
tongue so I would be a bad choice in the
55:21
commentary so round one last season you
55:23
alive on red bull TV when Greg Minnaar
55:27
didn't qualify how old is he
55:31
that's why I'm top of the list on most
55:34
awkward moment in my life yeah well that
55:38
was bad yeah did B do another one after
55:41
that I did I never watched I don't know
55:43
did he do another qualifying thing now
55:46
you know I was it was an Kade was there
55:51
as well okay
55:52
it just got back from his broken leg I
55:56
think it was his first at eat rate yeah
55:59
and he had a rerun because of the wet
56:01
and he was top 15 actually until he
56:04
crashed at the bottom and then yeah he
56:05
didn't get in either so the whole show
56:07
was just a bit like and obviously they
56:11
were like I'll just act normal and then
56:13
I was like we could hear behind us like
56:16
Greg being pushed back every second and
56:20
I was just kind of like we were just all
56:21
looking at each other like oh my god
56:23
it's just so awkward to took the mind
56:26
off and Graham you're sorry that was
56:32
hard to be around
56:33
but it took it took it like a man
56:35
blessing me yeah you dealt with it
56:37
pretty well excellent
56:39
okay well let's take a quick break there
56:41
we'll be back with the revolution back
56:44
part big questions after these messages
56:52
on to the revolution back part big
56:54
questions then question number one
56:55
you've won World Cups on six different
56:58
tracks what's your favorite track on the
57:01
World Cup circuit Mary ball good answer
57:06
what what section of track on the World
57:10
Cup circuit you think is the most
57:11
difficult to race probably the first
57:16
part I reckon of any track okay I think
57:25
that's where it's like struggled with
57:28
over a certain amount of people yeah
57:32
that's where probably people would
57:33
struggle with this and I know that like
57:35
those first like 10 seconds I can never
57:38
remember yeah I'm just blanking God
57:42
knows what happens like in those 10
57:43
seconds so anymore do you normally have
57:52
a strong top split yeah actually well
57:58
previously that was a problem is I used
58:00
to have no actually my previous problem
58:03
was my last splits but really good and
58:06
my first fits were really bad yeah
58:08
because I couldn't get into it and then
58:10
I yeah I worked it worked on it a lot
58:14
and now my first blitz I usually win the
58:17
top spit and then I just gradually get
58:18
slightly worse question number three it
58:23
scared the most talented bike rider of
58:26
his generation
58:28
chaos well not not a no counselor degree
58:33
Kate is very talented yeah I think so I
58:36
think he hasn't showed he's capable of
58:40
these this is annoying it's just
58:43
annoying
58:44
[Laughter]
58:47
he's insane it's better every day which
58:50
it's just I don't understand
58:52
did he do the injuries not bother him
58:55
cuz you know you see this is it we are
58:59
so different he they do
59:02
bother him a lot right he gets super
59:05
down and he keeps very under the radar
59:07
when he's got an injury didn't want to
59:09
tell anyone and I like I had to push him
59:11
to be like you have to tell people
59:12
because you have to realize that you've
59:14
got a platform and you've got fans and
59:16
people want things from you like you
59:18
they're not gonna see you is anyone
59:20
different I think you should you know
59:22
you just had you said I don't want to be
59:24
that person that like milks an injury
59:26
though really you mean like me honestly
59:34
first time back on his bike just very
59:37
next up yeah is the main thing that
59:39
bothers in the fact that you can't ride
59:40
while he's injured because he's so it's
59:43
also the photo mode like his fear of
59:45
missing out he's just like and then like
59:47
he's obviously we're happy for everyone
59:49
but he sees chaos on a new tricks or you
59:52
know he gets through me and you know or
59:55
his team going on a team camp and he
59:57
gets really low because he's just so
59:58
invested in surrounded by yeah really
1:00:02
really random question from me but
1:00:04
what's your favorite track to ride at
1:00:05
revolution prevision you know I thought
1:00:10
you would say it was this thing about
1:00:14
you yeah I was like is it the racer is
1:00:20
it the fun
1:00:20
ah to be fair the thing is I always
1:00:23
sneak up and if he runs on far side 20
1:00:26
everyone says new vision but I love
1:00:28
vision so much but I also I equally love
1:00:33
far psychic you can go so far down far
1:00:36
side like if you commit and it is a good
1:00:40
feeling jack knows it is insane far side
1:00:43
is such a good track I wish it was a bit
1:00:45
longer it's so good yeah on to 2020 then
1:00:48
there are a lot of team rumors in the
1:00:50
offseason and it got out pretty early
1:00:52
that you were joining Canyon what fueled
1:00:55
the move kind of because you
1:00:56
relationship with transition but pretty
1:00:59
special yeah my relationship transition
1:01:02
is amazing they we've never worked with
1:01:07
people like that they were family and
1:01:08
they still are and you know they were
1:01:10
they were very invested in our program
1:01:13
and they didn't care then
1:01:15
care whether we won World Cups or they
1:01:17
really liked our personalities and I
1:01:19
think for a family team to have such
1:01:22
good support in that way was very
1:01:25
special to us and we stayed well we
1:01:28
still a super close for them but it
1:01:30
comes a time where you know transition
1:01:33
is a small company and they they like
1:01:36
being a small company and I think it's
1:01:38
it's amazing but there's a certain point
1:01:41
on a World Cup team it takes so much
1:01:45
effort and money and like it's it's just
1:01:49
so demanding and we needed a we needed
1:01:53
more money to be able to get around the
1:01:55
world and yet to expand like dad's dream
1:01:58
was to expand the team and make it you
1:02:00
know we didn't want to keep traveling in
1:02:02
the Canberra as much as we've had it
1:02:04
from day one
1:02:05
we wanted to look more professional and
1:02:07
you know we needed just even stuff like
1:02:11
you know paying the mechanics properly
1:02:13
and they're not doing it for their own
1:02:15
will and it's just stuff like that I
1:02:18
think we just needed more of what's the
1:02:22
word more of a like bigger you're not
1:02:26
bigger but just safer almost not say
1:02:30
because transition I know they would
1:02:31
have had my back forever for the racing
1:02:35
and for that side of things it was just
1:02:38
it seemed like the step forward you know
1:02:42
it we've been with transition for four
1:02:43
years we've developed a racing bike it
1:02:46
was amazing but it was just that that it
1:02:48
was on the cusp of a change and I think
1:02:51
it was definitely you know the step in
1:02:53
the right direction you're still under
1:02:56
the FMD banner tell us a bit more about
1:02:59
the new team set up and and how it fits
1:03:01
with the Kenyan factory team are you
1:03:03
going to be sharing pit spare so I'm not
1:03:06
sure how much I'm allowed to share cuz
1:03:08
obviously we had like we were going to
1:03:09
turn up to loser with this massive setup
1:03:14
which is you know probably arguably now
1:03:18
the biggest setup which for us is insane
1:03:21
because we've come from the smallest you
1:03:24
know one of the smallest so you know
1:03:27
we've every year
1:03:28
a little bit bigger and yeah we had some
1:03:31
exciting plans we were not under the
1:03:35
same roof but were under the same roof
1:03:38
it was just gonna be like we just
1:03:40
weren't gonna come in with a bang so I
1:03:42
don't know like just in case yeah we we
1:03:49
were so excited obviously you've seen
1:03:51
you've probably seen that dad got a
1:03:53
lorry and his whole window I felt so
1:03:59
sorry for my dad did the same four
1:04:01
months on the drive converting a new
1:04:03
race van for us we went to Portugal in
1:04:06
it and then I'd spin it back round five
1:04:08
days later come on every single day but
1:04:19
hopefully we get to take it round
1:04:20
because you know it's something super
1:04:22
exciting for all of us because this has
1:04:24
been the dream since day one so from the
1:04:28
frame a if you got the same sponsors you
1:04:31
had before
1:04:32
no so we've moved to rental right buzz I
1:04:41
think that's a change we've had was that
1:04:46
an important thing for you to stay with
1:04:48
the same yes yeah absolutely because
1:04:52
it's not that I'm against change but I'm
1:04:57
I'm a perfectionist and you know my
1:05:00
attention to detail is like just very
1:05:03
severe and very annoying and I can note
1:05:07
I noticed anything that's changed on my
1:05:09
bike so my I just we needed to keep the
1:05:13
same setup and just go for a different
1:05:15
frame and that was that was the goal
1:05:17
really
1:05:18
so we've just replicated everything with
1:05:20
the new bars and stem we've kind of got
1:05:22
the new music like just same sizes
1:05:25
before but rounds because no such
1:05:29
painting everything and all of a sudden
1:05:30
you don't know how to ride a bike
1:05:31
anymore yeah you've mentioned you dad
1:05:36
and I can relate to that myself because
1:05:38
since I started racing in two
1:05:41
seven-member dad have been going through
1:05:43
World Cups together like I just said but
1:05:45
he's so invested in it your dad's
1:05:47
clearly this happened
1:05:49
tell us a little bit about the dynamic
1:05:52
and the relationship between Union down
1:05:54
ha I mean where do I start
1:06:01
it's just always been a nice piece I
1:06:04
think I don't know what I like because
1:06:08
obviously there's gonna be a day he's
1:06:10
gonna not want to do it or I guess he
1:06:12
won't Meow's do or mum doesn't enjoy him
1:06:15
being away as much anymore
1:06:17
it's just I can't really imagine him not
1:06:19
being there there's never been a race
1:06:21
where he hasn't been there not a single
1:06:22
one so yeah well from anything I've seen
1:06:26
I would imagine he's gonna see how your
1:06:28
career only really be worried about that
1:06:31
every conversation I've had with him
1:06:33
he's pretty committed to the cause I
1:06:35
know he'll always they used to say to us
1:06:38
he was like when we would one would get
1:06:40
grounded when were younger is I not
1:06:42
taking you racing and you knew for a
1:06:44
fact that you're racing because he loved
1:06:46
it so I that's obviously not gonna
1:06:51
happen like at first it would be like
1:06:53
the most daunting thing in the world but
1:06:55
he kind of figured out after that he's
1:06:57
not in it just for us he loves it how
1:07:01
does how does he work with chaos because
1:07:05
obviously you're still doing exactly
1:07:08
what you started doing at the start of
1:07:10
your career you're still fully focused
1:07:12
on you racing yeah etc chaos is
1:07:15
obviously evolving is his brand new grab
1:07:20
and she dad been all fully supportive of
1:07:23
the changes he's made since the start or
1:07:25
at the start of him backing away from
1:07:26
racing and we doing other things was
1:07:28
that more of a shock for you know that
1:07:29
stuff yeah I think I think it's been
1:07:31
hard because you know you could only
1:07:37
really make it as a racer but like
1:07:41
before you're kind of all yes it's new
1:07:44
like the free racer term is kind of new
1:07:46
it's not you know Brendan that's
1:07:48
probably the only one who made it happen
1:07:51
and he still pode
1:07:54
well cups you know and I think chaos has
1:07:57
what it takes as we saw in his first
1:08:00
year elite before he broke his
1:08:02
collarbone you got like 20-something or
1:08:04
early thirty place in Croatia
1:08:07
yeah first year so but he's just I feel
1:08:12
like it's one of those things at school
1:08:14
when you get given a subject you're not
1:08:15
that keen on and you go into it so today
1:08:17
that you are keen on you'll give
1:08:19
everything and I think the dad that was
1:08:21
hard to understand because for him there
1:08:24
was just racing yeah and when chaos
1:08:26
sides kind of lose not lose focus but
1:08:29
interest you lost a bit of interest in
1:08:31
the race and styling because it wasn't
1:08:33
fun for him because that is pushy and
1:08:35
I'd want him to be as good as what I was
1:08:38
doing I may be as good as you know Brett
1:08:40
H&G
1:08:41
like maybe that was his idea from the
1:08:44
beginning and I think the fact that he
1:08:46
saw that slipping away a bit was
1:08:47
difficult which I can completely
1:08:49
understand because dad's invested his
1:08:51
entire life into us and this whole team
1:08:53
and things but you know I kind of try
1:08:56
and stick with him where I can and and
1:08:58
help out chaos there's more than cable
1:09:01
as we've seen issue just finding his
1:09:03
feet I think he's he's what 20 he's just
1:09:07
finding his feet and where he wants to
1:09:08
be and he's so talented that I I don't
1:09:12
doubt that he'll be fine but I think as
1:09:14
a parent as a team manager it can get
1:09:17
pretty frustrating yeah I think from
1:09:19
from your dad's perspective as you've
1:09:22
just said maybe as you know grand ideas
1:09:25
of you guys being the next jian Rache
1:09:27
and the race environment but I would
1:09:29
imagine what he ultimately wants for
1:09:31
chaos is for him just to be successful
1:09:34
yeah he's doing and yeah once he started
1:09:39
I guess to understand the the fact there
1:09:42
is a clear future free racing and social
1:09:45
media promotion of your tricks and
1:09:46
things like that
1:09:47
yeah I guess it's you know only get
1:09:49
easier friend to understand I can't
1:09:53
sorry I can't remember who won hardline
1:09:57
last year but I remember he know me
1:10:04
his passion for riding bikes comes
1:10:06
across
1:10:08
I think it's hard for for dad to see
1:10:11
that sometimes at home because you know
1:10:13
he's not the hardest worker you won't go
1:10:15
into the gym every day but you will ride
1:10:17
his bike every day it's just how you see
1:10:19
things I think it's all about
1:10:20
perspective and you know how you see it
1:10:22
and I think it's got to be hard as you
1:10:26
know apparently invest everything and
1:10:27
see you see kid you know not those the
1:10:29
gym and stuff but it is definitely
1:10:32
working out and it's getting there it's
1:10:35
getting there so following on from that
1:10:38
most kids do start their racing careers
1:10:41
in mountain biking especially down with
1:10:43
their parents with the nature of the
1:10:45
sport the travel and the money and
1:10:46
things like that what advice would you
1:10:50
give to any young aspiring teenage
1:10:54
racers who are listening to this and
1:10:55
spending weekends with their mom and dad
1:10:58
maybe in a tent or whatever at erases in
1:11:00
this high-pressure environment any kind
1:11:02
of do's and don'ts that spring to mind
1:11:05
being in that environment with you dad I
1:11:11
think I knew be a bit numb to what
1:11:18
there's an off switch now it's quite
1:11:21
easily to tap in to appreciate that I
1:11:27
think when you're young and you're a
1:11:29
teenager it's so hard to see that
1:11:31
they're doing everything they can so
1:11:33
that you can do what you want to do so
1:11:36
when you don't put in a hundred and ten
1:11:38
percent effort for them it's seen as a
1:11:41
but you don't care or you don't
1:11:43
appreciate it and I think as long as
1:11:45
you're you're appreciative and you
1:11:48
understand where they're coming from and
1:11:50
you do put in the work then you know the
1:11:55
relationship but there's gonna be now so
1:11:56
I found my Dora my dad so many times
1:11:59
like so many times locked myself in my
1:12:01
room told him I'm never gonna ride again
1:12:03
everything erase me and lies no more
1:12:05
though yeah that's what I just think
1:12:10
it's completely normal and I just yeah I
1:12:13
don't know big goal in mind I think and
1:12:18
you just keep dreaming
1:12:21
no way won't happen yeah I think my best
1:12:24
advice would be because I think I'm the
1:12:26
opposite to you guys my dad's is very
1:12:30
calm and always like they're like well
1:12:38
but like I'm the fireball at the races
1:12:42
and I'm the one that like flies off the
1:12:45
handle and I've like had so many
1:12:48
experiences there is is where I have
1:12:50
just been an absolute [ __ ] towards my my
1:12:54
dad and the important thing I would say
1:12:58
to any parent child come combination
1:13:03
that go race and have these moments
1:13:05
where it gets volatile is to just
1:13:08
remember that it was all just he at a
1:13:10
moment when you've got a parent giving
1:13:19
everything they've got and the kid feels
1:13:21
like they're giving everything they've
1:13:22
got the perspectives different from each
1:13:25
side it's just never gonna gel until it
1:13:29
feels like for the kid like when I was
1:13:30
growing up it felt like like this isn't
1:13:32
true but it felt like my dad was only
1:13:34
happy when I want and that's what I kept
1:13:37
seeking I was like when I win he'll be
1:13:40
all right I get off my back sounds I
1:13:41
didn't he's you know but that was never
1:13:46
the case the case was he just wanted me
1:13:49
to you know do the best I could and be
1:13:51
happy but as a growing teenager losing
1:13:55
my mind
1:13:56
you just don't see it like that yeah so
1:13:59
I have to tell you this I've got a
1:14:00
two-year-old daughter and I always
1:14:03
thought to myself you know don't ever be
1:14:05
a pushy dad don't ever push them into
1:14:06
anything and this afternoon she went on
1:14:09
pedal bike for the first time with
1:14:11
stabilizers and I took a photo and I
1:14:13
genuinely love it when a good body
1:14:16
position well she's definitely that bit
1:14:33
way before I wasn't even into mountain
1:14:35
biking you took my stabilizers off but
1:14:38
didn't realize my chain had come off as
1:14:40
well so obviously you let go of me and I
1:14:43
think this is probably where the trust
1:14:44
issues come from she pushed me forward I
1:14:47
went the better one nothing happened I
1:14:48
just went straight to the floor I can't
1:14:51
remember how old I was like five or six
1:14:56
so the the race support who's in the
1:15:01
tent as you dance Christie right yeah
1:15:05
kilmury stays of us oh good so dad chaos
1:15:12
Chris kilmury Jen so Jen is our masseuse
1:15:18
she does all my like my lovely massages
1:15:24
spoiled but she's literally she does
1:15:27
like some of the cooking as well she
1:15:29
holds the whole team together and then
1:15:31
they're the mechanics so Jake and Owen
1:15:34
but yeah see we had the juniors as well
1:15:38
sorry that sorry did you have general
1:15:42
when you were on transition or is that
1:15:43
one of the things that you've been
1:15:45
arrived baby soon to be so no transition
1:15:51
right yeah it's all these little things
1:15:53
that you realize over time you need at
1:15:55
the ranges
1:15:56
yeah that's a lot of the stuff that
1:15:58
people but we were just watching the Red
1:16:01
Bull TV on Sunday another thing they
1:16:03
realize how much it goes into these
1:16:07
programs and how much scene work and how
1:16:11
much the team has to gel as well it's
1:16:13
like the team's my family and I couldn't
1:16:16
have someone in my corner that around I
1:16:19
didn't trust and I trust them with my
1:16:20
life 107 percent so that feeling of
1:16:23
going racing and knowing that they've
1:16:25
got my back no matter what
1:16:27
it's just like to not have to think
1:16:28
twice about that I consider myself so
1:16:31
lucky awesome so what can you tell us
1:16:34
about the new bike then
1:16:36
nothing you know about it because
1:16:38
obviously we divulge Mike we'd have all
1:16:41
seen it by now yeah I can't really say
1:16:46
much other than this is it a mullet yeah
1:16:50
well it depends who you are
1:16:56
were you in hope that all with the
1:16:58
design of it or anything like that or
1:16:59
had that all been done by the time you
1:17:00
know I'd all been done it's fine
1:17:03
when Canyon was gonna do a team they
1:17:06
asked me to sign then right at the time
1:17:10
transition were coming in as well and
1:17:13
their bike at the time wasn't developed
1:17:15
developed in earth and it was actually
1:17:17
they took a couple more years or a year
1:17:19
or two to then come on the circuit with
1:17:21
some adjustments their old bike but yeah
1:17:23
I've obviously tested the bikes and
1:17:25
stuff and I'm extremely happy with them
1:17:27
like I it's um if it feels like a race
1:17:32
bike it's there to do a job so you want
1:17:35
an arrow air or coil shock I'm on coil
1:17:39
and any ideas when it'll be available to
1:17:45
buy well so this is kind of a spanner in
1:17:48
the works I'm not too sure I like to
1:17:51
race it first but yeah I'm not sure I
1:17:58
actually I don't know I've got my hands
1:17:59
tied on this one so our race kits can't
1:18:05
really get much tighter now it is and we
1:18:08
we took in as much I know we've seen you
1:18:13
vomited on some arrow tested in a wind
1:18:14
tunnel did you learn anything that
1:18:18
things we already thought about it was
1:18:21
just confirmation of what was right and
1:18:24
wrong like tuck it in t-shirts jerseys
1:18:27
even like visors we did a few cuts and
1:18:33
the visors yeah I was like just stuff
1:18:36
like such as like body positioning and
1:18:38
but yeah the thing is is it's hard
1:18:40
because it does is gonna help on some
1:18:44
tracks and they are getting faster but
1:18:47
you know you don't really think
1:18:50
about your position when you're racing
1:18:51
down a hill with as fast as you can so I
1:18:54
don't know I think it was fun it was
1:18:56
beneficial in a way like I tried like my
1:18:58
James compared to like a set of normal
1:19:01
like trousers and that was a difference
1:19:04
so you like to look cool
1:19:12
turns out it's the fastest thing out
1:19:14
there by the era but no it's just just
1:19:18
yeah everything we already know which
1:19:20
I'm sorry I can't really bring anything
1:19:21
new to the table I wish I had some kind
1:19:26
of like magic thing but I mean we were
1:19:38
going to ask if that's kind of affected
1:19:40
any of the design work you do with your
1:19:42
Fox kids either
1:19:45
are you enjoying designing the Fox kids
1:19:47
yeah no I am a lot obviously I don't
1:19:51
have anything to do with like how its
1:19:52
tailored and stuff but just like the how
1:19:55
it looks and we had we had some amazing
1:19:58
kits for this year but obviously I
1:20:00
wouldn't have been able to read mine
1:20:02
anyway but yeah I have a lot of fun
1:20:06
doing that I'm so thankful that they
1:20:07
they let me do that I feel like it kind
1:20:10
of brings out my personality a bit more
1:20:12
cuz I'm quite by at the races and I do
1:20:14
like to keep it's my own thing but I
1:20:16
feel like you know it's the one thing
1:20:19
that everyone sees and I try like I can
1:20:20
really make noise of it and I feel like
1:20:22
a lot of people catch on to that and I
1:20:24
enjoy I enjoy it definitely and you are
1:20:27
right there they are super cool it's
1:20:29
always nice to see you I'm always only
1:20:33
some ways so stoked to get the race I'll
1:20:43
let you roll with this one George
1:20:44
so Fabian Burrell's been known to be
1:20:48
pretty ruthless in his career how much
1:20:50
time have you spent with him and has he
1:20:52
changed the way you approach race you
1:20:54
know in any way how much time now I love
1:20:58
fab he does come across obviously I
1:21:00
think as a racer he's French for one so
1:21:03
we want
1:21:03
what we think about them and I'm kidding
1:21:08
I'm half French anyway so I can't really
1:21:09
say anything but know you knows a lot
1:21:12
he's a very very knowledgeable man and
1:21:14
he is keen to pass that knowledge on and
1:21:19
learnt so much and I think the hardest
1:21:22
thing for him was maybe accepting that
1:21:25
they can like the athletes on Canyon
1:21:29
were different to him and you know that
1:21:30
like someone like Troy doesn't work the
1:21:32
same way as him and neither do the
1:21:34
junior so I think it's been a good
1:21:36
learning curve for him as well yeah but
1:21:39
he yeah I think we were super excited to
1:21:42
come in sissies and we've worked a lot
1:21:44
together he knows the bike really well
1:21:46
you know he's an incredible Rider and
1:21:49
he's just so he's as dedicated to pass
1:21:54
on success and he was to succeed himself
1:21:56
and yeah yeah he's very knowledgeable
1:22:00
let's get onto the injury then it looked
1:22:03
brutal talk us through what happened we
1:22:08
I'd had a super heavy week of training
1:22:12
and we decided to go down to these
1:22:15
trails that we found the killer monster
1:22:18
which is like an hour and a bit away
1:22:20
from us so and they run in the wet and
1:22:23
it would it been raining some reliance
1:22:25
we've been they once before and we were
1:22:27
all hyped so let's go there and I was
1:22:31
towards the end of the session you know
1:22:34
what I hate to admit this I yeah I so I
1:22:41
wore ankle braces for the first time to
1:22:44
try them out you know gonna like and I
1:22:50
didn't like them to begin with not know
1:22:52
I didn't like them but I wasn't like the
1:22:55
support almost there was too much and
1:22:57
I'm such a light footed rider I ride a
1:23:00
lot with my feet and I'm very like I
1:23:03
just like to feel the pedals my shoes my
1:23:06
sores have always been super thin so
1:23:09
we're gonna get some clips and I took
1:23:10
took them off and I went up a few times
1:23:14
rode all afternoon was getting some sick
1:23:16
clips
1:23:17
and then I wanted to get same jump I was
1:23:20
doing a TV blog and I was like I think I
1:23:22
could hold that for longer I can't get
1:23:23
anymore dip for short and yeah I just
1:23:27
held it too long and just trashed like
1:23:30
with it dit and I just put it wasn't
1:23:32
even bad because dirt jumps are quite
1:23:34
slow and it was more of a step up
1:23:36
tightening so it's quite a flat landing
1:23:38
but the fact that I think the fact that
1:23:41
we would I was going slow and I put my
1:23:43
foot out and all my body weight was kind
1:23:46
of I was kind of like a bit off and yeah
1:23:50
just I felt it straight away I knew
1:23:52
straight away it was just it's just one
1:23:55
of those super awkward unnecessary
1:23:57
injuries when are you likely to be fit
1:24:01
what's this what's the kind of timetable
1:24:03
yeah well I don't even know it's it's a
1:24:07
lot worse than I thought it would be I
1:24:12
think like four and a bit months or
1:24:14
something right so when were you
1:24:18
planning to come back into the World Cup
1:24:19
with well if everything had gone to plan
1:24:23
I would have come back for Endora right
1:24:27
yeah but it depended and that was quite
1:24:30
tight and it depended on how I felt and
1:24:33
if I want it because there was that gap
1:24:34
as well after so I might have just
1:24:36
waited until the second half of the
1:24:38
season yeah but yeah I can't I couldn't
1:24:42
believe it I can't believe it not like
1:24:44
after my shoulder it was just like that
1:24:46
when such a long stint with no injuries
1:24:48
super lucky never really considered
1:24:51
getting injured I guess especially not
1:24:54
one else we ever
1:25:00
how are you training at the minute then
1:25:03
what are you doing well trainings kind
1:25:06
of kind of got back to normal it she did
1:25:09
my first set a deadlift yesterday so
1:25:11
only like 60 kg but like for me that's
1:25:15
incredible I feel so tired today like so
1:25:18
obviously I haven't been doing anything
1:25:19
just really small rehab exercises and
1:25:23
it's it's just so long man
1:25:29
you see you using some kind like
1:25:31
bioelectrical stuff yes so there's a few
1:25:36
things these are sort of things I was
1:25:38
going to mention this is I think if
1:25:41
you're not surrounded by obviously I'm
1:25:43
surrounded by people we need to get me
1:25:45
back or don't share the pattern way to
1:25:47
get me back as soon as possible so I
1:25:50
have all these little tricks I try and
1:25:52
share them on Instagram because people
1:25:53
how do you recover so quickly and I was
1:25:55
like I'm not superhuman I just you know
1:25:59
I've been through it now and I've got
1:26:01
the right people in my corner and they
1:26:02
suggest like things like this so the
1:26:06
wound was something like a game ready
1:26:08
and ice and stuff but that's pretty
1:26:09
normal and then I've never used this but
1:26:11
a new record
1:26:12
so they're little they're little pads
1:26:16
and they send I don't want to make it
1:26:20
sound like they're not shocked but
1:26:21
they're like yes like electrical
1:26:25
stimulation it's like neuromuscular
1:26:27
stimulation and I've seen them before
1:26:30
but never really I don't know why I
1:26:34
didn't think you know that was
1:26:35
necessarily anything on my shoulder we
1:26:38
didn't use it on my shoulder because I
1:26:39
didn't know of it at the time yeah and
1:26:41
yeah the physios had suggested it and
1:26:44
what it does is it basically muscle for
1:26:47
you sign me up
1:26:50
[Laughter]
1:26:53
it's the best probably the best bit of
1:26:57
kit I've had it's so not only does it do
1:27:01
it can bill it doesn't build muscle but
1:27:04
it will maintain my muscle for me so
1:27:06
obviously when you get cut open you lose
1:27:10
everything
1:27:10
yeah right you're not just a muscle but
1:27:13
all the little joints and the eyes and
1:27:17
nothing communicates right I don't know
1:27:19
all the real terms and stuff but and
1:27:21
what that does is sends almost messages
1:27:24
to tell you that you're working and you
1:27:26
know everything's still there you're
1:27:28
okay but there's like there we go but
1:27:33
yeah it's got loads of settings like
1:27:35
training settings recovery settings like
1:27:40
so many it's been yeah twice
1:27:43
every day and how long how long does it
1:27:46
take 20 minutes 20 minutes yeah and that
1:27:50
you can change the matzo core the
1:27:54
strength of it and stuff so obviously I
1:27:56
first time when I was at yeah maybe I
1:28:02
was a bit tougher than I actually am but
1:28:06
no but it's a sort of thing that people
1:28:09
who aren't at the top of their sport or
1:28:11
haven't got this type of support around
1:28:14
and wouldn't know I get so many messages
1:28:16
like what's this like how you know that
1:28:18
it's all those little things that help
1:28:21
towards a better and faster if I know
1:28:24
it's cool
1:28:25
so do you feel differently coming back
1:28:26
from this and your ISM you do from
1:28:28
coming back from the shoulder or is it
1:28:29
just another hurdle together at the
1:28:33
minute like obviously I'm I'm I'm quite
1:28:37
optimistic I'm very positive about
1:28:39
injuries and I'm a big believer and you
1:28:42
know lessons are learned the hard way
1:28:45
but this one is super challenging like I
1:28:49
feel like I got through my shoulder and
1:28:51
life has been like oh you thought that
1:28:53
was easy huh
1:28:54
tell you this this one it's fast is
1:28:59
weird because at first as I said I knew
1:29:02
that it happened well I looked at my
1:29:04
ankle and it wasn't painful at this
1:29:06
point everything's ripped and I look and
1:29:09
I was like oh maybe it's just a bad
1:29:10
sprain there is I know on the floor like
1:29:16
just literally look normal and she's
1:29:18
like I don't think that's the spring
1:29:23
back in yeah that was like five hours
1:29:26
after and then I was there like oh we're
1:29:29
gonna take you for an x-ray to be broken
1:29:30
anything I haven't broken even like I
1:29:32
know what broken bones felt like coming
1:29:34
back are you broken your film in your
1:29:36
terror like how has that even happen it
1:29:40
just it hasn't felt that bad like my
1:29:44
shoulder was super painful like 12 out
1:29:47
of 10 when I did it I never 1x like I
1:29:50
can still remember never want to
1:29:51
experience me like that again but this
1:29:53
has been like a mellow pain really
1:29:56
irritate
1:29:57
and it's it's more painful now than a
1:29:59
bit of where everything's kind of coming
1:30:01
back to life it's the hardest part but I
1:30:04
know it's getting there so good I saw a
1:30:08
post from you that said if someone told
1:30:11
me I was going to have all these
1:30:12
injuries by the time I was 24 I'd still
1:30:15
do it all over again do you think say
1:30:19
against a hundred percent yeah so do you
1:30:21
think the potential injuries though are
1:30:24
a big part in why we don't see more
1:30:26
women racing or do you think it's to do
1:30:28
with wider issues I never thought about
1:30:32
that I don't know I think the fact that
1:30:35
it is quite gnarly does maybe put a few
1:30:39
people off yeah
1:30:42
but beginning like I'm scared of being
1:30:45
injured obviously everyone's scared of
1:30:47
being injured but like the feeling you
1:30:53
get when you ride a bike or like it just
1:30:57
doesn't compare like it I I don't I'm
1:30:59
not even I'm not yeah I'm scared to get
1:31:02
back on my bike but nowhere near like
1:31:05
that doesn't compare to how excited I am
1:31:08
to get back on my bike site I don't know
1:31:11
is weird man I always think the injuries
1:31:14
it's the fear of them is worse than the
1:31:17
actual yeah yeah well I was but I could
1:31:22
waste thought you know what I said to
1:31:24
Cain it's so funny because he had that
1:31:26
he broke his wrist and he had surgery on
1:31:28
it right before I did Michael I said to
1:31:31
him and he was stuck in his car so I was
1:31:33
like I was like the work you know what
1:31:34
the worst thing would be as I cast on
1:31:36
your leg I was like that would be the
1:31:41
worse and then obviously got I was like
1:31:44
oh and I said to him I think I was like
1:31:45
I'd like this the Katyn something I was
1:31:48
like because I did my AC joint in my
1:31:49
shot I didn't actually distich ate it
1:31:51
and that was horrible enough but I
1:31:53
thought this decane adjoint was being
1:31:55
horrible like that I'm sorry was scared
1:31:58
of me in fact that turned out it's not
1:32:00
that bad it could have been a lot worse
1:32:04
I mean it's just like it's not as bad as
1:32:05
I thought it would be so if anyone's
1:32:08
listening okay
1:32:10
how do you encourage more female riders
1:32:14
to give racing a-goin is there anything
1:32:16
in particular you change to make it more
1:32:18
appealing I think I think it's pretty
1:32:24
scary because of the I think people were
1:32:29
quite embarrassed to start competing
1:32:33
like not a young age so I think I don't
1:32:38
know I feel like maybe as the kid sports
1:32:41
wasn't the most enticing thing at school
1:32:45
you know there's always bullies and it's
1:32:47
never really that fun at school it's me
1:32:50
you know I just I think people have just
1:32:52
been painted the wrong idea of sports
1:32:55
and cycling especially and riding bikes
1:32:57
in the industry and I don't know I
1:33:00
honestly if I like I would love to have
1:33:03
the power to get way more women involved
1:33:05
but I do think this slightly scared of
1:33:08
obviously getting hurt and the amount of
1:33:10
men there are in the sport and maybe
1:33:12
just scared of her BBC I started racing
1:33:15
when I was 40 and I thought to myself
1:33:20
you know you have this image of what
1:33:22
downhill is gonna be like that you're
1:33:24
just gonna be you're gonna be have
1:33:26
riders behind you shout you know you to
1:33:28
get out the way and and it's just it's
1:33:31
so not like that because you go through
1:33:36
the ranks of riders that unless you're
1:33:39
in the top like few there are always
1:33:41
faster riders than you and so if someone
1:33:45
was to say an intermediate rider would
1:33:47
to be behind me and shouting at me to
1:33:49
move along then what there might be sat
1:33:52
there thinking of Danny hearts behind me
1:33:53
now he can shout at me to move along you
1:33:57
know what I mean and so people just
1:33:58
don't do it and it's just not like that
1:34:01
all I don't think it's everybody's dead
1:34:03
supportive and that's why I found when I
1:34:05
started doing it and everybody was ya
1:34:08
know it's I think it's it comes across
1:34:11
as something different like I say it's
1:34:12
cool it's just I think they kind of
1:34:14
teach you they don't really it just it's
1:34:18
not the same I think people get scarred
1:34:21
you know if you're not really that sport
1:34:24
or if you are not really that good it
1:34:25
kind of gets put it into you like the
1:34:27
good ones are always the popular ones
1:34:29
and you know I think that sticks of you
1:34:31
when you grow up and you kind of look at
1:34:33
other sports you're like thank you but
1:34:35
it's not at all like that
1:34:37
obviously everyone grows up and I think
1:34:40
the cycling and industries probably know
1:34:42
one of the friendliest industries for
1:34:44
sure the medium is definitely have you
1:34:46
ever wanted to get involved in like some
1:34:48
kind of grassroots style female riding
1:34:51
clinics to help women come into the
1:34:53
sport and learn how to ride better yeah
1:34:57
I obviously I think about it a lot but
1:34:59
it's hard when time yeah what time and
1:35:03
the fact that I don't feel like I've
1:35:05
done what I needed to do yet and you
1:35:10
know it's I'm I'd like to take on a lot
1:35:13
of things but realize that you know you
1:35:14
can't do that that you can't you've got
1:35:17
to be good at something like this you
1:35:19
have to be very specific and you have to
1:35:21
be super focused on only that but now I
1:35:24
try and do women's days and I did one
1:35:26
loss I actually did one this offseason
1:35:28
with Red Bull and that turned out really
1:35:30
good it's the first one I did and they
1:35:32
all loved it and I loved it I thought it
1:35:33
was amazing and you know they were so
1:35:36
chilled it I some of them when it's
1:35:38
division's my ends are going up no I'm
1:35:41
free ride but what a night it doesn't
1:35:43
annoy me but it's fun people go oh no no
1:35:45
you go right you go you'll be way faster
1:35:47
me anyways I don't care I'm writing my I
1:35:51
can't III don't get like I don't know I
1:35:55
enjoy seeing people program like
1:35:56
progress and you know trying to help
1:35:59
them out and stuff and I just I feel
1:36:01
like sometimes I'm seen as a bit of an
1:36:03
alien because you know I have won a few
1:36:05
World Cups and stuff but I enjoy that
1:36:07
saucer alright I know the feeling of
1:36:10
progress and it's awesome I love it cool
1:36:15
so you been as we've said second twice
1:36:18
in the overall and you've been second
1:36:20
twice at Worlds so obviously you're
1:36:23
coming into the season recovering from
1:36:25
your injury book in terms of hopes and
1:36:28
dreams which one would mean more to you
1:36:30
woke up overall win or will chance win
1:36:32
going into three ah I don't know
1:36:36
obviously overall you've got to be
1:36:40
consistent and stuff and everyone dreams
1:36:43
about world champs Jose you don't lay in
1:36:45
them and the rainbow-striped but yeah
1:36:47
I'm not sure if I'm like I don't know
1:36:51
like insensitive towards those titles
1:36:55
because of my first year in junior and
1:36:58
expecting it and it crushing my dream
1:37:00
that I literally thought it was the end
1:37:02
of the world when I didn't win so I just
1:37:04
feel like I don't really expect them I
1:37:07
don't attach myself to them I don't
1:37:09
think I'll that's gonna be my in my room
1:37:12
one day hanging up I don't think like
1:37:13
that because that's not what will bring
1:37:16
me joy what brings me joy is the actual
1:37:19
work and the process and that's why the
1:37:22
winning is feel so good it's because of
1:37:24
the work that you've done but like I
1:37:27
said earlier you can do that work and
1:37:28
not get the result you were expecting so
1:37:30
it doesn't really define who you are as
1:37:33
an athlete and the work you put in I
1:37:34
think so I try I but I would love to win
1:37:38
them obviously it would be amazing but I
1:37:40
just yeah I try not to get attached to
1:37:44
those things yeah and national champs
1:37:48
how much is that on your radar is that a
1:37:50
big design and no no no which is sad
1:37:56
thing because it used to be it did used
1:38:00
to me
1:38:01
but I think I think I came second so
1:38:04
many times I was there and if I planned
1:38:13
it in my season then obviously and I'd
1:38:16
love to wreck the sleep but it just
1:38:18
wouldn't match any of my kids yeah 24
1:38:31
years of age you've you've achieved so
1:38:32
much already and you still got your best
1:38:34
years ahead of you best a lot for 2021
1:38:37
we do actually get going and thank you
1:38:39
thank you coming on the show
1:38:42
Recovery's words where's the best place
1:38:46
for people to keep track e progress
1:38:49
Instagram
1:38:50
post everything on that I don't bother
1:38:52
with the otherwise they're all connected
1:38:55
to my Instagram act RDC great for
1:38:59
anybody who doesn't follow you already
1:39:01
jacked it yeah so as you said earlier
1:39:04
George of from people asking I'll pull
1:39:07
out like a day in my life style training
1:39:10
day on my youtube so I get on YouTube
1:39:13
type in get ready and it will come up
1:39:14
and yeah grab a brew and used to me a
1:39:18
lockdown time to see what we've got
1:39:20
ourselves through when we may have
1:39:23
absolute carnage in the German on the
1:39:24
vine good stuff well we're at making up
1:39:27
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1:39:36
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1:39:38
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