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Wondered what it's like to ride on the latest Shimano EP8 motor? Well, check out Andi's latest video where he takes the 85nm, 2.6KG motor out on the trail.
Shimano hasn’t just knocked out a new motor but also updated the display, control and even the wiring that goes with it.
The Shimano SC-EM800 is a colour display that’s slightly smaller than the previous version. It still provides you with all the important riding data you need, it still can’t really be seen in direct sunlight, and it still only shows you battery life as a group of 5 bars rather than a %, but it will now connect to 3rd party equipment wirelessly without the need of any extra hardware.
A more important update, in my opinion, has been made to the assist switch. E8000 bikes were designed to use an underbar shifter to switch between assist modes, but most riders swapped to an E7000 overbar button unit for better ergonomics and the ability to run a dropper remote.
For the EP8 Shimano has made the new SW-EM800-L, an over bar assist control with concave button shape and wider input area for improved ergonomics.
The final detail is the update to the wiring on the EP8 system. Each of these new components is now connected with the new EW-SD300 electric wire. The new wire is lighter, thinner and also futureproof. Shimano felt that the old wiring isn’t up to the job of transferring more complicated data that might be necessary on eMTB’s of the future, so has taken this opportunity to put that right.
The new wiring system is just 2.4mm thick rather than 2.8mm and should allow more electronic components the ability to quickly speak to one another. Manufacturers are still able to mix and match old and new parts with a wire adapter.
Read the full story here..
https://singletrackworld.com/charged/2020/08/31/shimano-ep8-launched-heres-everything-you-need-to-know/
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no way this is so cool
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[Music]
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hey everyone andy from singletrack
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magazine here and as you can see we're
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in my shed but we won't be here for very
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long because i've got my riding kit on
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i've got a new bike and new and i are
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going to grab a gopro and hit the trail
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but before we do i want to show you
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something that i think is really cool
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and shimano says is revolutionary and
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that's this
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the brand new shimano ep8 motor the
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successor to the
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already very good shimano e8000
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but this is even better and in every
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single way
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i'm going to show you now as we set off
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is how you can turn the epa
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on without throwing an error message so
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with the e8000
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if you had your foot on the pedal you'd
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get a w013
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message if you turn the motor on and
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that would prevent you from going until
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you
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turned it off and turned it back on
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again the epa
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handles that much better which i'll show
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you now so as you can see i've got my
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foot on the pedal
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and i'm going to turn it on
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and as you can see no error message
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now you can even pedal it
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you can actually ride the bike as long
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as you're not putting too much pressure
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through
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the motor and the torque sensor you can
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actually pedal it quite lightly and turn
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the motor on and off
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it's only when you're really cranking it
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or you're putting a lot of pressure on
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that the error message comes up so it
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can happen just
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not as often i'm just heading up to my
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trails which are just down the road from
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me we've got the merida e160 fully
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charged it's a 630 watt hour battery
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and according to the system
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in eco mode we've got a range of 110
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miles
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in a trail we have a range of 55 miles
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and in boost we have a range of 36 miles
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so
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obviously that's at the start of the
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ride
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it depends how you ride where you ride
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how fit you are
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which mode you use and on this bike
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which profiles you're using but it'll be
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interesting to see
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how far we can go on a full charge today
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so uh
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we're heading up hill now and we'll see
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how it goes
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just want you to listen to the motor so
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i'm in trail mode
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climbing up hill and you can still hear
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it but
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it's not that super noisy were a
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noticeable were of the e8000
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it's a much quieter sound
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i put it into boost
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a bit more noticeable but
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still hardly allowed
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and what you notice is just how
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smooth it is i even now hit it to boost
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there's no sudden lurch of power it's
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very very well controlled very well
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mannered
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okay so imagine this you're coming up a
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hill
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it gets too steep and now you need to
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use the walk mode but on the e8000
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if you had your chain up here
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you'd need to change it down here to get
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the warp mode to work
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but not anymore not with ep8
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so we check this out just uh
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trail eco off
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walk watch this enough she goes
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up to four miles an hour uphill
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you can see it's running with that
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bigger gear on the back
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it's even spinning the wheels and it's
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way
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better than it was before
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it was a bit of a struggle before
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especially if you had to get off and
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then
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change your gear but look at this yeah
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scampering up there
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[Applause]
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and the rain's coming in let's see
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i can get back oh now one thing about
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range i'm sure a lot of you gonna ask
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how far can it go
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well it's how long is a piece of string
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really so my first ride on the bike
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i was out with a andrew me who is the
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marina
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rep for the uk and he was on a bike
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with an e8 000 and a 500 watt hour
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battery
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now because the e8000 isn't as quick
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i have to keep it in eco and trail more
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often on the ep8
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and you mean that i could do 40k
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and still have two bars of battery left
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so there's one and i'll
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show you my stats for that climbing and
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everything in the overlay
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now yesterday i went out for a quick one
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about 39 minutes about 13k
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had about 430 meters of climbing all in
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boost
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and i used one bar of battery which
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is just incredible i think
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now today i've used a mix of eco and
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boost i'm sorry trailing boost
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and uh boosted up most of the climbers
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and i've done over a thousand meters of
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climbing about 23k
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so far two hours and i've got two bars
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left
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so yeah range of the funny one
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it can't really be answered simply it
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all depends
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where and how you're riding what mode
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you've got it in
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how you've tuned it how fit you are who
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you're riding with
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but uh i'll upload those
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that info for you it'll be interesting
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to see
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what other people are getting out of it
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but yeah
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if you're riding with someone else on a
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slower e8000
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you could probably get about 50k i
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reckon but
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they don't take an extra battery
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if you're riding by yourself and
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hammering it
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i reckon 35ish but you're going to be
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smashing it you could probably extend
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that a lot more
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walk mode will now work look i'm going
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to try and get this hill
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i don't know if it'll do it so it should
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do four miles an hour
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oh look at this i'm going to film like
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this this is pretty cool
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i'm not peddling no way this is so cool
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so yeah okay people who say e-bikers are
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lazy this is lazy
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i wonder how much battery i'm burning oh
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look at this i'm going up the hill
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without pedaling it's so cool
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anyway enough for that let's uh let's
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not be lazy let's pedal
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i'm going to tell you about another
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interesting feature
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on the epa system within boost
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so the epa now has a new
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application which we've not been able to
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use yet because it comes out today
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i.e the day you're watching this video
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an application allows you to
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modify how the epa
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uses its power so if you want you can
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have
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boost using all 85 newton meters
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or you could knock it down to 60 if you
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want more range
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what you can do then is load two
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profiles
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onto your bike so that when you're out
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riding
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you decide i want more power you can use
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your power profile
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but if you want more range you can use
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your range profile
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you can store two on your bike but you
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can store
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loads on the app so even if you're out
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and you think hang on
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i've got my surrey hills profile here
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but i'm in the lake district
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doesn't matter you can still get it off
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the app
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and you can change your profile on the
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move it's a really cool feature
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which i can't wait to try hopefully i
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can do that
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today at the release boosted up another
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hill
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in the road because why not like
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it's more fun to get to the top quickly
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and ride down again then
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ride up this road so i'm boosting anyway
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let's talk facts and figures about the
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ep8 so
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epa has 85 newton meters of torque
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15 more than the old
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motor now what that means is
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if you're with someone who's on an e8000
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motor as i was on monday
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you'll find that if you're an eco
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and they're in trail you'll keep up with
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them
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and if you're both in trail they'll have
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to use boost to stay with you
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that's nuts we're about
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53 minutes into the ride we're heading
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up
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our third climb
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for another descent we've done
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almost 13 kilometers and
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we've used one bar of battery
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and that's including two climbs in
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nothing but boost
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so i'm impressed very impressed with the
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factory
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and the efficiency of the ep8 good combo
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shimano has done with the ep8 system
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because they've updated this screen this
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is a new
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smaller screen it's still color
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but now it has a wireless element to it
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so you can actually
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connect to your garmin now i don't use a
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garmin but
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with the epa i'd be tempted to because
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shimano still use these bars to indicate
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how much battery you've got left now
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for me it's not ideal because
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on the a8000 you'd have two bars left
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and you're left guessing do i have
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enough to come home and then once you
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hit red
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and what is red is it 10 is it five
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percent so i'd love
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if that was a percentage now if you
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connect your garmin
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you can actually show your battery
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percentage which is a really neat
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feature
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something else which has been updated is
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this control
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the e8000 used to have a underbar
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shifter
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which everyone changed to the e7000 over
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bar button control
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shimano must realize that because the
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new e800 shifter
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is like that e8 e7000 but with a nicer
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button
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shape so your thumb sits into it
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so we're heading up to the top of the
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trail still
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we're in trail oh we've got two battery
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bars left
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so this might be our last descent
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before we have to head back but this is
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what i mean about
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a percentage would be way better
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situation
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update i'm on red
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it went on red at about 26.3
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kilometers
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so we'll see how far okay so
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in the video you just saw me in i
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promised you some stats on riding so
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here's my iphone
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i'm going to tell you how far i went
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in that previous ride so in the ride
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you've just seen me do
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my total distance was 30.65 kilometers
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there was a total of 1230 meters of
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climbing
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and i was out for 2 hours and 14 minutes
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now
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i did play around a bit obviously you
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didn't see the complete ride
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on there and i made a few mistakes i
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think i said i've done three climbs at
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one point and i've done four or five
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so a lot of climbing there i used boost
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more than i uh
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wanted to but basically because i was
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having so much fun on the downhills
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but anyway let me go through those stats
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again i'll put them up here
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30.65 kilometers 1237 meters
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of climbing and that's two hours and 14
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minutes
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and i got to the red bar on my battery
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it didn't run out got me home
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and i didn't go into emergency eco mode
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so that's pretty decent
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now i always say that a range on an
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e-bike
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is very dependent on the modes your
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fitness the ride what you're doing
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and i tend to find that if i'm riding by
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myself i can burn through a battery
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really quickly and i think that's what
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happened today
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on that ride and basically just enjoy
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myself
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use boost a bit too much but then again
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you can surprise yourself so for example
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just yesterday um i did 12.57 kilometers
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463 meters of climbing and that ride was
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just
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39 minutes and 10 seconds and i did that
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entire ride in boost
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and i used one bar of battery
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so that's pretty nuts that ride was much
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drier
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um there was only perhaps two
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climbs in there and again yeah
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completely boosting so it is the boost
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and the climbs that eats the battery
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now for the first ride that i ever did
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on the ep8
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that was with another rider andrew me
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who is from merida
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and he was on the same bike as me except
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his bike had an e8000 motor
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and it had the 504 watt hour battery and
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we were out
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all day we when we did a lot of stopping
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and starting and chatting about the bike
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and everything we're out for about
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three hours and 12 minutes we did 38.94
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kilometers and
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1340 meters of climbing
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i only used three bars of battery in
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that ride i still had two bars of
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battery left
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we had to come back to andrew's van so
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he could get a second battery
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in that older on that older motorbike so
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um
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that's really interesting again so
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riding with other people
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especially with people on uh less
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powerful motors
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you're going to go further and i reckon
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on that day
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we could have probably done 50 or 60k if
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we just you know took our time
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if you're out by yourself really
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smashing it you can
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eat the battery really really quickly
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but what i'm really excited
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about is the fact that the new shimano
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app will allow you to
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change your settings to suit where
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you're going to ride
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and i think that's going to be the game
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changer we're going to see some really
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impressive results for
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um how far you can go how fast you can
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do a ride it's going to be pretty
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interesting so
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once i've given that a go i'll give you
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an update but that's all for today i
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hope you enjoyed
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my um ride commentary if you've got any
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questions or comments about
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this video please let me know if you
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enjoyed it give me a thumbs up and
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please
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subscribe also if you want to know more
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facts and figures about the epa
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check out my other video which is
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already uploaded
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and if you want to know more about the
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2021 merida
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e160 9000 i've got a bike check online
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too so check that out thanks for your
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time and see you all soon bye
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