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modern pale ale hazy golden juice I'm
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reading it from the can uh beer bleo
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Tech Here Comes the Sun I thought it was
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quite appropriate today because he's
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absolutely honing down outside the
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weather is shocking so I've gone for a
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beer that says here comes the sun what
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have you got Charlie which one have you
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picked I picked hazy day hero hazy
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Session IPA it's Norwegian and I picked
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this one because it's got an alien and a
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c's on fire and there's mountains and
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spaceships it's got a giant eye which
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looks a little bit sexy and uh yeah I
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picked it I'm cheap I'm shallow I love
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marketing and I'll yeah show me put an
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alien on it I'll probably buy it
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uh Ben what are you choosing well
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I've not opened mine yellow I've just
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defocused look reveal all right
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listeners we've got a video going on in
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the background well always just like
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being um the knife be careful so I don't
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know what it is the Box what's in the
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box I should just pull one out see what
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we get right
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wow unboxing
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stuff on a podcast
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called then describe what have you got
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there well
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I have a greetings card and I have a
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story of craft beer what do you call
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that a novella so yeah
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it's a book two
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oh snaps
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sour cream and Chef crunchy peas
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crunchy peas is this working and um all
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right tando or chili right good what's
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that thing that happens on podcasts or
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there's the audio phenomenon where
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people have like eargasms ASMR dot Biz
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or something yeah is that yeah right
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it's like I don't know I've got a solar
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flare
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is it kind of rainbowy and quite trippy
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the graphics wow yeah so that's a
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rainbow I'm since Ben's actually just
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staring at it and not actually
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description
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that's one of the exciting things about
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when you get these boxes is trying to
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find out where it what is it called how
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much alcohol's in it yeah where's all
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from just nobody likes dead air on a
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podcast Benji
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I like solid air that was John Martin
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album you should get that under the
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background
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no idea what you just said oh well
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everyone go and listen to that after
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you've done this if you're on Spotify
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type in John Martin with a Y I'm gonna
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go for um gorilla gorilla okay all right
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we have to choose the appropriate points
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in this podcast because I think we need
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to move on from beer to actually some
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mountain bike news but uh yeah I I it
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has to be said it's it's actually what
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time is it now it's ten to two in the
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afternoon it's half eight in the morning
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just to put this in context when this is
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recording we've just literally found out
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that Liz truss has resigned so that's
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where we are in the week so you can get
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here there you go you can root yourself
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in that for a timeline well better time
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to open a beer yeah well better time to
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open a beer that's true right okay uh
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before we do that I'm gonna do I'm gonna
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I've got a microphone here just bear
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with me because I'm just gonna pull this
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down and I am actually going to be the
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first one of us to open this beer I'm
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gonna do it right next to the microphone
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okay okay so this is
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my bio biotech I hope it's
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did you hear that that was right I think
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although I watched something that was
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voted the number one most satisfying
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sound of the world or something a can
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opening wasn't it can you hear that
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there we go right I've opened it I'm
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gonna drink it now we're gonna move on
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to
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um our first actual relevant talking
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point do get carried away when beer
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comes into the building it has to be
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said right this week let's talk about
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some of the news that's broken this week
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that isn't to do with our government
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collapsing Ben what was the biggest news
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story of the week uh unfortunately
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it'll be revolution bike part announcing
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they're going to have to close in
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January but um is it large disease or
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something like that I think that's gonna
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compulsory felling of everything that's
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there I think there's still they're
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still going at the moment so I don't
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like think they're closed I think
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they'll need as many visitors as we can
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get but yeah until January I think is
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yeah that's okay whales especially
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because they're actually up for one of
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our Awards yeah yeah so um yeah and on
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the on the topic of awards
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um it's actually really really important
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everybody heads to our website this week
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because we've got how many days left
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voting well depending when this girl's
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out it finishes on Tuesday 25th of
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October I think so we've got a weekend
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in a bit we'll have this out before then
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the single track Awards is sort of like
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the Democracy that works which is quite
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refreshing you know if you're bored with
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normal democracy we have the single
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track Awards where you vote and it makes
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a difference I'm trying to think yeah
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it's a singletrackworld.com reader
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Awards that's the one in it oh sorry
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I've just had a mouthful of beer I don't
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mean to do that it was just Instinct
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I've got to go and pick up a kid chat
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and do the school running anyway it's
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not unusual
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yeah so the awards get over to our
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website and vote it's important you do
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that because these are your Awards these
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are the awards uh voted for by the
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readers we don't vote for these
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um or we do but just as normal punters
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like you so get over there uh you've got
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a few days left and help us pick a
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winner I don't think I have voted
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actually if you voted Charlie like
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properly yeah yeah totally voted
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um most Innovative the
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um Dijon custard colored um track with
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the with these silent motive it makes me
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look like I can cycle up hills like an
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18 year old got my vote uh yes indeed
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yeah uh when are we giving out the
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prizes for the awards anyway uh child
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can you tell us about that when are we
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doing that no I can't I have no idea
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imagine we're going to the trades Club
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Bridge we're not all right just let me
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explain we're going to the Kendall
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Mountain Festival oh okay remember we
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talked about this okay
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Kendall Mountain Festival mid-november
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19th and uh and so we'll be up there on
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Bike Night Trek bite night indeed Trek
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bike night at the Kendall Mountain
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Festival get your tickets now get up
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there and uh come and join us on bike
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night where we'll be handing out a whole
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bunch of awards to the winners of our
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Awards so yeah I think Amanda's actually
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in the middle of Designing them right
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now and they're looking fairly cool so
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anyway let's move on from that what else
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is happening this week what's happening
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right now in Utah Ben
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to be people jumping off lumps weren't
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they Rampage
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um I have lost track of where it is in
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Utah because they keep moving it around
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don't they but it's back at where it's
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been before but not last year's venue
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they all look like Road Runner they all
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look like like kind of Warner Brothers
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uh aesthetic and doing similar kind of
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things really aren't they Charlie how
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would you describe Rampage to somebody
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who's never come across it before it's
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what kids doodled whilst they weren't
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paying attention at school 30 years ago
10:04
is now reality they're doodled
10:07
impossible backflips off mountains and
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down Cliffs it's now reality but I I'm
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not sure how I feel about it I might be
10:15
a bit anteat it's bloody dangerous it's
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really bloody dangerous and um as a guy
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um Paul evil oh Evil Knievel yeah we can
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blame here Mr Burton but it's pool chap
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he uh paralyzed himself in 2015.
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they made a movie about it called any
10:34
one of us and but I remember seeing a
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picture of him on a stretcher or in a
10:39
bed and he threw a Shaka which is a
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sticky little finger out big for a man
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it's got a Hawaiian surfing thing for
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like Hank loose right on right on
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brother and I'm like and he had his
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wristbands his passes and stuff still on
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him and he's uh it's not right on mate
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you're you're you're you're you're
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you're stuffed and
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um and it's and I think you know where
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where to draw a line it's really effing
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dangerous it's great entertainment and
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you know from your sofa where it's
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totally safe and I'm sure people are
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happy with the sales of a sports drink
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that gives me hideous cramp and so it's
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a win-win everywhere apart from people
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who are almost dying or having their
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lives cut short in you know they're
11:23
losing their Mobility I don't at what
11:26
point does someone go and it's the same
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with uh Nazareth people surfing 100 foot
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waves you're like that's really effing
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dangerous as well and uh you know where
11:35
do you draw a line it's people's choice
11:36
but this is not um this isn't someone
11:38
climbing Everest this is someone putting
11:39
on a show for a sports drink
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and so I'm I'm in two minds I don't know
11:44
if I like it I don't know if I enjoy
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watching it anymore I have a great deal
11:48
of Sympathy For That Viewpoint too and I
11:51
I suspect there's many out there that
11:52
also share that view
11:54
it worries me every time every year is
11:57
this going to be the year where there's
11:58
another accident maybe we do sound old
12:00
when we say this I guess but I mean the
12:03
whole point of Rampage is that just to
12:05
give a really quick sort of thumbnail
12:07
idea of what it's about in case you
12:08
don't know uh sponsored Riders head to
12:11
the desert in Utah sponsored by Red Bull
12:13
and they're going to say it and they go
12:16
into the desert on the natural trials
12:18
and they pick out and create and dig
12:21
lines from the top of these enormous
12:24
sort of um they're not mountains are
12:26
they it's kind of just all very lumpy in
12:27
the desert isn't it Surrey it's a
12:30
mountain yeah and they get they do a run
12:32
they do a single run that involves
12:33
jumping across Canyons doing backflips
12:35
and all the other sort of stuff you see
12:37
at crankworks I guess except this is in
12:39
the desert and this is on real rocks and
12:42
and real
12:44
canyons and things and they get scored
12:47
on how good their run is but there's
12:49
people picking they each Rider can go
12:51
and carve out their own line and every
12:53
year there's somebody going trying to do
12:55
something bigger and better than before
12:57
and yeah like Charlie said there has
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been serious accidents in the past
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life-changing accidents and yeah and I'm
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with you Charlie I'm not sure sport is
13:06
meant to be like that you know we're
13:08
meant to push the limits and everything
13:09
but maybe in a more controlled
13:13
safer environment than the desert of
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Utah but yeah it's interesting Ben what
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are your thoughts are we just being old
13:20
it's not as dangerous as it used to be
13:22
which I think is
13:25
um I think the way it has gone that way
13:27
where there's now there for days aren't
13:29
they and they are essentially building
13:30
crank works out of soil what's it called
13:33
I don't know really loads of sandbags
13:34
and stuff so it's not
13:36
I find it quite hard to watch because it
13:38
is so long if you watch the live
13:41
broadcast it is unreal it's like oh my
13:44
God it's looking at Flags whilst the guy
13:47
from dodgeball commentates
13:51
so really oh I mean
13:55
dribble
13:57
yeah
13:59
the advertise the highlights show you
14:02
can watch that's two and a half hours I
14:04
wouldn't watch it live because it's just
14:06
like a turgid weirdly I don't know it's
14:09
the same as Roadies killing themselves
14:12
with Peds isn't it as soon as you
14:14
introduce competition to push bike
14:15
people Health goes down the drain well
14:18
those ironies
14:19
so anyway you can see you can you can
14:21
actually if you if you want to see what
14:23
it's all about if you're into it if you
14:25
if you're not and you're just curious
14:26
you can if you follow our Instagram
14:28
accounts think that single track
14:30
magazine then we've got a man on the
14:32
ground doing uh stories and and reels
14:36
and we've also got a photographer out
14:38
there who's going to be coming back with
14:39
some photographic stories that we'll
14:42
publish in a later date I'm not sure
14:43
when that's going out but yeah head over
14:45
to our social media feed on Instagram at
14:48
singletrack magazine and I want
14:50
everybody to go and do that if you're
14:51
not following us on Instagram please go
14:52
and do it right let's move on from that
14:54
uh Ben you've actually published this
14:56
week it's it's the right time of year a
14:58
bike light Roundup review yeah we're
15:01
kind of putting out a series of Sunday
15:04
um buyers guides I think they come out
15:05
on Sunday usually in the kind of topical
15:07
for the uh time of the year so they're
15:11
uh bite lights as they want to do at the
15:14
moment can I it's just an alternative
15:16
view people think bike lights winter no
15:19
yeah bike lights summer ride all the way
15:22
through the night it's warm the puddles
15:24
are made of air
15:26
that's brilliant your gloves the gloves
15:29
are less than 20 millimeters thick so
15:31
you can actually you know
15:35
last year I haven't done a night ride
15:38
this year but the it's collated uh
15:40
previous buying of the best lights
15:43
you've had in the past couple of years
15:45
really and rounded them up and point to
15:47
people at the right direction and what
15:48
to look for spoiler alert then Ben what
15:50
was the what was the best one out of the
15:52
bunch for you
15:53
depends on your price doesn't it I mean
15:55
I I think they're a lot of money so I
15:58
probably would just say depending on
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your current income at the moment I
16:02
think you could probably get away with
16:03
anything of a thousand lumens and above
16:05
it depends what your Rudy's mate's ride
16:07
doesn't it
16:11
you'll be knackered if you're in the
16:14
front with a thousand lumens so uh you
16:16
can still um get out there in um in our
16:19
cheap things Tuesday which is a story
16:21
about cheap things that comes out on a
16:23
Tuesday there's a bike light in there
16:25
called the Blackburn day Blazer
16:27
Blackburn day blazer with my clothes
16:30
it's an 1100 lumens it's 30 quid at the
16:34
moment from one from somewhere go never
16:36
look but the uh cheap things Tuesday and
16:38
click through
16:39
all right we'll we'll stick a link for
16:40
that in the show notes and the reason I
16:42
love that is because 30 years ago ish I
16:46
spent a lot of money at a time about 25
16:48
quidness specialized little specialized
16:50
unit it had is flickable from 2.5 watts
16:53
to 5 Watts which was not enough for
16:56
anything but I recall it used more
16:59
Duracell batteries in an hour than I
17:02
earned in an hour as a chef and it still
17:05
didn't like your way
17:07
and uh and I think if you can get 1100
17:09
lumens which is the same as my first big
17:12
exposure some I don't know 15 plus years
17:14
ago
17:15
1100 lumens for 30 quid you can get yeah
17:18
have fun and and you know and go and
17:21
disturb the scary people that's why
17:23
you're doing a night ride doesn't it I
17:24
mean my night rides are uh not very long
17:26
it's like what's the shortest it can be
17:29
bin it and go to the pub basically we
17:33
have a 70 minute rule so we've got to
17:35
get to 70 minutes and then everyone
17:37
looks right going and then so that one I
17:41
think probably the 30 quid one they give
17:42
us a thousand lumens for about an hour
17:44
so that's probably all right if you like
17:46
people who um it's like 30 40K night
17:49
rides it's just like bananas you're
17:51
gonna need serious um power power
17:56
I don't know money
17:59
yeah Benji Mark literally being a
18:01
serious
18:02
um psychological help as well the
18:05
amazing thing with bike and I think one
18:07
of the things is we're kind of
18:08
exceptional is as much as the work we do
18:10
means we get to spend time on bikes if
18:12
you're stuck in a in an ordinary office
18:14
which isn't full of bikes most offices
18:16
are not full of Banks and you you get
18:19
your riding time in the winter is has
18:21
got to be in the dark or on a wet
18:23
Saturday or Sunday and so good set of
18:25
bike lights really expand your cycling
18:27
but it also expands what you see what
18:30
the world will expose to you so
18:33
I I was once single speeding around the
18:35
perimeter of a golf course in
18:37
Bournemouth uh I won't tell you where it
18:39
is because I don't know if it was
18:40
strictly illegal trail and I remember
18:42
stumbling not stumbling whizzing across
18:45
a um a monosexual
18:48
it was a um he was he was a he had a
18:51
leather cap with chains on it uh uh
18:53
Freddie Mercury mustache leather
18:55
trousers not done up and he was mono
18:58
sexually
18:59
um by himself
19:01
um no one else no one else wanted to
19:04
join in together and he was he didn't
19:06
have a light I did and we're being a
19:09
single speed it was I I heard nothing
19:13
nothing before I almost ran him over and
19:16
Disturbed his
19:18
um his evening's activity so uh Benji
19:21
Mark have you ever
19:23
um as night riding ever revealed
19:26
anything to you I've I've certainly come
19:30
across my fair share of steamed up car
19:33
windows I mean that's a fairly common
19:35
one isn't it was that because of poor
19:37
air conditioning it must be yeah I don't
19:39
know what they were doing in there maybe
19:40
maybe boiling a kettle maybe that's what
19:43
they're doing in yeah I seem to come
19:44
across quite a few on night rides around
19:46
here I don't know what that's about
19:49
but yes no right it does it does
19:52
transform you're riding it is it is a
19:54
complete transformation I always
19:55
actually loved it you know back in the
19:57
day when we had those lights those
19:59
Blackburn lights with there were two and
20:00
a half watts and five Watts the thing
20:03
was that that was bright in those days
20:06
and the thing was it gave such a sort of
20:08
small window of light it it kind of made
20:10
you feel like you were going an awful
20:12
lot faster than you actually were so it
20:14
kind of made my riding exciting one of
20:16
the things I'd I miss about night riding
20:19
is that the lights these days are so
20:20
good it turns night today and then you
20:23
don't get that same element of imminent
20:26
danger that you're about to just go over
20:29
the bars and that that kind of speed
20:31
feeling that you get going through the
20:33
trees yeah yeah anyway well you can turn
20:38
LEDs down to have that effect combined
20:41
with some kind of ketamine drip can't
20:43
you because it's like Shimmer don't they
20:46
so you get like best of both or or just
20:49
don't secure the bracket correctly so it
20:51
suddenly dips down at the ground and
20:53
then you can recreate the you can't see
20:54
anything 1990s
20:57
because they go all Zoe Tropic don't
21:00
they oh yeah it looks like your wheels
21:01
into a tree
21:05
at some point it's just like you say
21:08
it's funny you haven't been able to get
21:10
enough out during the nominal daylight
21:13
but uh in crowbar right anyway at this
21:16
juncture I'm going to tell you about my
21:17
beer this is the bibliotech beer I've
21:20
drunk half of it already actually I
21:21
don't know but um tasting notes on this
21:24
one just uh very hoppy very pale really
21:27
cloudy
21:28
um it it's but yeah I'd say this is this
21:31
is very sessiony I would drink a lot of
21:33
those if I have the opportunity would
21:35
you like me to update you on my beer no
21:38
I think we'll go for the next talking
21:39
point and then we will bookmark these uh
21:42
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21:45
it and moved on all right
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24:09
to me earlier this week about the things
24:11
that she discovered down at the bespoked
24:14
hand-built bike show which took place
24:16
last weekend so over to you Hannah
24:23
so
24:25
I vote
24:28
it's at the weekend
24:30
and it made me have thoughts that I'd
24:32
like to organize and I thought talking
24:34
about them might help organize them and
24:37
it might work out that it's kind of
24:39
interesting to listen to but you might
24:40
have to let it out some bits
24:43
foreign
24:46
doesn't know what the hell is going to
24:48
happen
24:50
is that uh it's under new owners it used
24:55
to be in Bristol this didn't it bespoke
24:57
all the time yeah it's moved now well
25:00
what they moved last year to Harrogate
25:02
and then
25:04
um became under the new ownership and so
25:07
this year it was in the Lee Valley
25:09
velodrome in London and actually it's
25:12
gonna probably move again certainly is
25:15
moving again a bit so that next year
25:19
it's going to be in Leipzig
25:22
whoa it's going out of the UK yeah
25:26
right well just rewind a minute before
25:28
we get into it for anybody who's no idea
25:30
what bespoke is and there's no reason
25:32
why they shouldn't know because you've
25:34
done a heck of a lot of coverage on this
25:35
in the last few years and also this year
25:37
already so uh we could just say go to
25:40
our website and have a look but just in
25:41
in a couple of sentences outline it for
25:43
us
25:44
it's a celebration of handmade bicycles
25:47
and handmade bicycle bits and the people
25:50
that make them so it happens to be in
25:53
the UK and I think once upon a time it
25:56
had an emphasis on being people from the
25:59
UK
26:00
but Peter and Josh have made deliberate
26:02
efforts to make that worldwide builders
26:05
that come to the UK or indeed to Europe
26:08
next year
26:10
so yeah does that explain it I think I
26:13
have it pretty much and if people should
26:14
uh definitely go and have a look on our
26:16
website right now to get the fine detail
26:20
so I guess that in itself is like part
26:23
of my philosophical thing like to some
26:27
extent almost all bicycles are handmade
26:31
like even the mass-produced ones that
26:35
are made in Taiwan
26:37
there's usually some hands from a person
26:40
that are laying up that carbon for
26:42
example but how do you define the
26:46
difference between handmade in that kind
26:49
of I don't want to use the word Artisan
26:52
but
26:53
I guess that's the most appropriate word
26:55
like you don't want to devalue people
26:57
who have skills at making things so for
27:01
example orange bikes was there this year
27:04
now that surprised me and I think it
27:06
surprised you you asked the question
27:07
didn't you uh in one of our Instagram
27:10
reels why were they there yeah they were
27:13
there because they're baked their bikes
27:15
are made by hand and there's only
27:18
actually about eight folks that are
27:19
holding them together let their full
27:21
suspension bikes are made by hand in the
27:23
UK and I guess they're making them to a
27:27
recipe aren't they those those people
27:29
are making them were following
27:30
instructions and they are making a frame
27:33
that somebody has designed so they're
27:35
sort of doing what they're told which is
27:37
different to the person that's in their
27:38
shed that decides to file a joint this
27:41
way rather than that way or whatever
27:43
but they are still making them by hand
27:45
and that gives them the capacity
27:48
in-house to do things like the Adaptive
27:51
bike or their strange series of like
27:53
in-house development fights so that's
27:56
kind of I feel like they're on the cusp
27:58
like if there's a spectrum of handmade
28:01
where kind of not really handmade but
28:04
yes uh your Carbon Fiber bikes in Taiwan
28:07
and then at the other end of the
28:09
spectrum you have your shed Builder
28:11
that's making one or two bikes a year
28:14
very slowly
28:17
um and does everything by hand possibly
28:19
with a file and no machinery and then
28:22
orange bikes are kind of just in a Big
28:24
Shed that's how they put it it's just
28:27
bigger than yours yeah yeah I guess so
28:29
presumably there's a line and where
28:33
would that line be drawn well
28:35
something that um some of the handmade
28:39
dabbled and struggled with because the
28:42
money is in the big bike manufacturers
28:45
that are churning them out and those are
28:48
the people that can kind of afford to
28:50
pay for a standard a trade show
28:52
and maybe support a show like this but
28:57
not really what it's about is it because
28:58
they can also afford to go to eurobike
29:01
so yeah I think the lines are drawn as
29:04
the show organizers see fit but I know
29:07
that Peter was Keen to have orange bikes
29:09
there because they do do some
29:10
interesting stuff at their manufacturing
29:12
process
29:14
and I guess at one point they were a
29:16
small shed Builder and then they have
29:18
just grown into a bigger shed maybe
29:20
that's a measure of success maybe that's
29:22
what you want is those people those
29:24
companies like I guess I put maybe cotic
29:28
and Stanton into that kind of group as
29:30
well they're bike companies that started
29:32
off doing something small and grew
29:34
they're not quite the niche that they
29:36
want to work so it's a measure of
29:38
success and maybe you want them to
29:40
support those people who are just
29:42
churning out frames at a much slower
29:44
rate no so yeah I sent them so that was
29:48
one of my like
29:49
it's kind of interesting and what value
29:52
do we place on it what value do we place
29:54
on the skills that are involved in
29:58
making a bike is it wrong to devalue
30:01
those people that are making them in
30:03
factories to instruction
30:06
as compared to a person that's following
30:09
their own instructions does that make
30:11
any sense it kind of does I mean it's
30:14
a bit existential isn't it really I was
30:16
feeling quite existential yeah maybe
30:18
it's the cold and flu remedies but yeah
30:22
it's an interesting thought process
30:26
to the value it for some reason I'm
30:29
minded about wheel building and how
30:33
there are machines that now just build
30:34
wheels and they build really good Wheels
30:37
but then there are wheel Builders out
30:38
there and that really is an art you know
30:41
building a wheel is almost I I've done
30:44
it in the past and I've treated it
30:46
almost like a meditation I won't say
30:49
that my wheels are particularly great
30:50
but it was really nice to build it you
30:52
know builds you can ride your own wheels
30:54
it adds something else to it and I think
30:56
that's the thing with a when you realize
30:59
your bike is
31:00
hand built by somebody it feels
31:03
different when you ride it there's
31:05
something about the fact that somebody
31:07
has that perhaps you know or you know of
31:10
the person maybe that's it maybe the
31:12
thing about the hand-built bike thing is
31:15
it's about the provenance of it it's
31:17
about knowing who did it maybe that's
31:20
the thing that you don't get with
31:22
manufactured bikes is knowing exactly
31:24
who made it for you yeah and as there's
31:28
something in there about short supply
31:30
chains as well I think like I don't
31:33
think it's just about a sort of
31:36
um spiritual oh this feels different
31:39
because I know the person that made it I
31:42
think there's a sort of practical
31:43
societal impact there on having a short
31:46
supply chain on knowing the person that
31:48
built the thing on knowing that it's
31:51
just from down the road or relatively
31:53
from down the road and from having a
31:56
spread of skills as well like when all
31:59
the supply chains fell apart in the
32:01
pandemic it kind of highlighted the
32:04
fragility of our current setup and you
32:07
can you kind of can imagine a world in
32:09
which you couldn't get something welded
32:12
or cnc'd or whatever in the Far East and
32:15
so you'd have to get it made closer to
32:17
home and does that capacity exist here
32:20
so I think it is important to have those
32:22
things and to support those things close
32:24
to home not in a kind of um brexity way
32:27
but
32:30
you know sustainability way so if you've
32:32
got any pointers then if anyone's
32:34
listening going yeah I get the I get the
32:36
sentiment here where do you start
32:39
where would you go well so I think I
32:43
might start by just going
32:46
because
32:47
like I can't afford a bespoke bicycle
32:51
made for me and I imagine a lot of
32:54
people can't but by going to the show
32:58
buying a ticket and talking to those
33:01
bike builders and parts makers you're
33:05
like validating them are you showing
33:07
them an interest yeah they spend a lot
33:08
of effort and time in making these
33:11
things so yeah I think we should show
33:13
interest in them and appreciation and
33:15
then the few people that can afford to
33:18
buy these things like Tom Howard
33:22
he doesn't seem to be able to resist
33:25
um you know those people will keep
33:27
buying those things that catch their eye
33:29
but the rest of us kind of peak people's
33:31
Souls ticking along in the meantime yeah
33:33
and
33:34
I heard that the velodrine cost 50 grand
33:39
for three days they got some generous
33:43
support from SRAM
33:45
which meant that they were able to
33:47
charge exhibitors the same sort of price
33:49
as they'd been charged in other venues
33:53
um but I mean that is
33:56
what you call it when you book a
33:58
restaurant cover
34:00
cover charge cover charge you know it's
34:03
a very steep cover charge and then
34:05
you've got the cost of coming to the
34:09
show with your bikes whether that's in a
34:11
van or in an airplane or whatever and so
34:14
Peter and Josh had done a lot of work in
34:16
making display stands that you could
34:20
hire
34:21
so that you didn't so that you could put
34:23
your bike in a bike box on a plane and
34:25
turn up and he didn't have to have a
34:27
great big 3D stand thing going on as
34:30
well yeah so that made a lot of sense
34:32
but yeah it's still a significant
34:34
investment to come over there was Prova
34:36
bikes there come over from Australia
34:39
crikey did they have an award for the
34:41
long longest traveled
34:43
I merely gave them the best mountains
34:46
well that's the thing we should mention
34:48
isn't it because you weren't just there
34:50
to um take in the sights of the show you
34:53
were there to be a judge it was what did
34:55
you judge English was really hard I
34:58
heard the judge the best mountain bike
35:00
prize so and I'm I'm in the process of
35:03
writing up that kind of process that I
35:06
went through or thought and some of the
35:09
ones that nearly made it and why they
35:11
didn't make it on my list and that kind
35:12
of thing it was really hard I had to
35:14
take it very seriously I did take it
35:17
very seriously and it took me all day on
35:19
Friday to decide who I was going to give
35:22
the awards to
35:24
so and
35:26
so
35:28
to us that might just seem a bit like
35:30
well sister
35:31
it's not even a rosette it was a diner
35:33
plug that they got
35:35
it was a very dynaplog in a sort of
35:38
Candlestick thing it was all very um
35:40
phallic looking but
35:42
um there wasn't any Pride like money or
35:45
anything like that to touch the prize no
35:47
it's just Prestige but it was actually
35:50
very meaningful to a lot of the brands
35:53
that were there and there were a lot of
35:54
people that were a bit sad that they
35:56
didn't win it or that I didn't choose
35:57
the emblem because effectively that lets
36:00
them say in marketing stuff we won the
36:04
best mountain bike which is quite a big
36:06
deal especially if you're a small brand
36:08
that can't afford to pay for advertising
36:12
in print or digital media so I can hear
36:16
everybody listening right now and
36:18
they're screaming into their smart
36:20
speakers and mobiles they're saying but
36:23
who who won who won who won the raw 12
36:28
was the bike that I chose right you're
36:31
gonna have to paint as an oral picture
36:33
take your picture
36:35
um it was very red and shiny
36:38
but that's not why I chose it it's a
36:40
full suspension bike
36:43
um they did have a rare full suspension
36:45
bike at the show last year but this one
36:48
had some little incremental changes
36:50
there's a bit more travel it had a
36:54
little flip chip in it so that you could
36:58
put a 27.5 wheel on the back it also had
37:01
another little chip so you could alter
37:05
the suspension ratio on it which I
37:08
thought were kind of things that you
37:10
might expect from a production bike so
37:13
is it what made it stand out against all
37:16
the other worthy candidates
37:18
why did that one win for you it was a
37:21
mixture so it was the technical uh
37:24
technical features that it offered the
37:26
rider along with the complexity of the
37:31
construction there's a lot of different
37:33
it's a bit like the bake off it's a lot
37:35
of different skills going into making
37:37
that bike and a lot of parts being made
37:41
in-house
37:42
so I'm I'm going to assume you took some
37:45
pictures so yes for the listeners
37:47
benefit now
37:49
can they go to the website now and see
37:51
pictures of this well by the time that
37:54
you have edited this and we have had the
37:56
conversation and I have
37:58
I will have finished writing yeah
38:00
there'll be pictures
38:01
if you want to see what uh what Hannah's
38:05
talking about then head to the website
38:06
the question of marketing and the the
38:11
cost of coming to the show was justified
38:13
by a lot of these Brands but well this
38:15
is my opportunity to access the media
38:18
because otherwise the media won't take
38:21
any notice of me because I can't pay to
38:24
play
38:25
which
38:27
being the media that has to pay the
38:29
bills uh keep the lights on I kind of
38:32
felt like sort of stuck in the middle
38:35
here here because I understand where
38:36
they're coming from
38:38
they're frustrated that they can't get
38:40
coverage but equally we know where we're
38:42
coming from in that we need Brands to
38:44
pay for advertising or we won't exist
38:48
yes it's sometimes it's a really
38:50
difficult balance I mean that's one of
38:53
the reasons why we have fresh goods
38:54
Friday isn't it fresh goods Friday is
38:56
not pay to play yeah no matter what
38:58
anybody thinks
38:59
and uh and it always has been and
39:02
deliberately so I mean how many times do
39:04
we get a press release or you get an
39:06
email from some brand somewhere that
39:08
we've never spoken to or dealt with and
39:10
they'll say we've got a product here and
39:12
we think you'd be really interested in
39:13
it how much would it cost to feature in
39:14
Fresh Goods yeah so cool nothing just
39:18
send it and usually you can sort of you
39:20
can anticipate their incredulity when
39:23
you say to them just send it we'll we'll
39:25
put it in for us guys but yeah it's such
39:27
a difficult thing isn't it for small
39:30
Brands to get the exposure that they
39:31
need I did feel like
39:35
this relationship meant that it's really
39:38
important that shows like bespoked
39:41
happen and that the industry needs to
39:44
find ways to make sure that they
39:48
continue because I think that the bike
39:50
industry would be a much sadder place
39:53
without the kind of innovation and
39:55
creativity that you get in conclusion we
39:58
need to go again we need to go again
40:02
so does everybody else who's listening
40:04
yes and we need all the the the
40:07
benefactors like um
40:10
sdg and um and SRAM both gave quite
40:14
significantly to make the the show
40:16
happen you know we need those kind of
40:18
industry people to to keep doing that
40:20
it's fairly intangible what the return
40:23
on investment might be for them I
40:25
imagine but yeah it's a good thing that
40:27
they do it yes
40:31
um and I think it's a really uh
40:34
I think people that maybe haven't been
40:36
to the show where I would appreciate
40:40
that it's it's not just about
40:43
the bikes and uh like trying to fill an
40:47
older book or something like that I
40:48
think very few bikes
40:51
sold via the show
40:54
um it's more about creating those
40:57
relationships and chatting to the
40:58
builders and the builders chatting to
41:00
each other and
41:02
just sort of appreciating
41:07
um this is some Community isn't it it's
41:10
the power of community it is and really
41:13
importantly I think it's out of the
41:16
silos of it being a mountain bike show
41:20
or a road bike show because they're all
41:24
all different sorts of bikes there and
41:27
it was quite apparent to me that there
41:31
are different cultures
41:33
within within cycling and that it's
41:36
healthy for the
41:38
the different disciplines to meet and
41:41
kind of learn from each other so there
41:43
we go
41:44
that's that's really interesting
41:49
but so next year it's in Leipzig
41:51
next year is the Leipzig and then it is
41:55
going to move
41:56
spring
41:58
right rather than it being an Autumn
42:00
show very interesting yeah right so head
42:03
to our website look at all the stories
42:05
get all the info you need and start
42:09
planning ahead and booking your tickets
42:10
for Leipzig yes yes
42:13
oh and I absolutely I have to give a
42:16
sort of special
42:18
mention and Accolade or something to uh
42:23
Peter and Josh who put the show together
42:25
this year because they went to Great
42:27
Lengths to be more inclusive
42:31
um and increase the diversity of people
42:33
at the show and displaying up the show
42:36
so it wasn't all just white men in sheds
42:38
and it was really really noticeable that
42:42
there there was a lot more people there
42:45
A lot of really interesting discussions
42:47
happening
42:49
um and yeah I really like inclusive and
42:52
Cool vibe going on
42:54
but yeah and that I know that took a lot
42:57
of effort so I do appreciate them
43:04
okay so that's that's the bespoked bike
43:07
show for you guys so make sure that next
43:09
year you check that out well worth a
43:11
visit
43:12
right back into the room back with Benji
43:15
and Charlie Charlie you've drunk one can
43:18
of beer I think now he's the time to
43:20
tell us what you want another oh yeah I
43:23
would tell you about the first can of
43:24
beer but it's gone now the graphics were
43:27
awesome it was lovely I'm now on the
43:29
gorilla gorilla gorilla griller
43:32
um I have to put my old man glasses on
43:35
to read
43:36
um it's from two tribes it's compatible
43:38
with campfires it's a hazy power it's
43:40
5.0 and the graphic I chose this one
43:43
because the graphics look a bit like the
43:44
graphics on a cotic wow okay there you
43:47
go there's a shoehorned in a bike
43:49
reference and uh it's nice and Berry yes
43:53
I like it it's uh it's light it's it's
43:56
really sessionable that was the other
43:58
one evidently and
44:02
um yeah I'm probably yeah yeah right
44:05
I'll be fine don't worry okay
44:07
productivity won't be affected
44:10
hey guys
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um I was um down in London a few weeks
44:14
ago and I was walking to a podcast
44:16
Summit it was like a meeting of
44:18
podcasters and ironically enough and uh
44:21
as I was walking down the street you
44:22
know what caught my eye no I thought
44:24
this is a joke a short person with an
44:27
umbrella hey
44:30
sorry I've been saving that joke up
44:32
right okay no actually what what
44:35
happened is I've got a social dilemma
44:39
after that trip
44:40
and the social dilemma is what's
44:42
happened to my social media feed since I
44:45
came back from London I think Charlie
44:46
knows what's coming I want to just talk
44:49
about my Instagram feed now before I
44:52
went to London I had a just an old and
44:55
we're not talking about the single track
44:56
my Instagram account which everybody
44:57
should go and follow that again that's
44:59
at singletrack magazine go and follow it
45:01
uh but I'm talking about my own personal
45:03
one which is um you know what I'm not
45:06
even gonna actually say what it is
45:07
because this is not about promoting my
45:09
social media feed ironically it's about
45:10
everything but because before I went to
45:13
London my Instagram account I had about
45:14
450 followers and it had been stuck like
45:17
that for years and you know it's full of
45:20
pictures of me playing the drums the
45:22
occasional bike thing you know the usual
45:24
sort of personal goof anyway I went to
45:27
London I went I checked in at a hotel in
45:29
Tavistock Square I went to my room and
45:31
it was during the day so it was a
45:33
weekday so I had I thought I'm gonna
45:34
check in I'm gonna get some work done so
45:36
I fire up my laptop I put my laptop on
45:38
the desk there was a plug right in front
45:39
of me on the desk got out my laptop
45:42
charger went to plug it in it wouldn't
45:44
fit in the socket because the socket was
45:45
about an inch above the desk and I had a
45:48
Macbook charger I thought oh no there
45:51
must be another socket in the room there
45:52
wasn't this was the only socket in the
45:54
room not even by the size of the beds so
45:56
I'm gonna do I thought I'm going to go
45:57
down to reception and ask them
45:59
MacBook charger is is big and it's got a
46:04
massive massive lump attached to it and
46:07
I I to save weight I hadn't taken the
46:09
long extension wire I just actually
46:11
might put charges you can actually have
46:12
the three pin plug attached to the Box
46:15
to the actual charging that's what I had
46:17
I was stuffed because I needed to plug
46:19
in so I thought I'm going to go down to
46:20
reception but before I went I thought
46:22
I'm gonna have a really hard job trying
46:24
to explain this problem to them so I
46:25
thought I'm just going to video it so I
46:27
just got my phone out and I just took a
46:29
video of me trying to plug my laptop
46:31
charger in and the video is about seven
46:33
seconds long and it finishes with me
46:35
saying a rude word but I thought this is
46:37
better when I go down to reception I can
46:39
literally just show them my phone and I
46:41
did and to be honest I went down and
46:43
they came up with it they said oh we've
46:44
got an extension for you and they gave
46:45
me a wire and it was fixed anyway I
46:47
decided that this little video I was
46:49
going to stick it on my Instagram feed
46:51
as a real
46:52
so I did it's it all is I is me just
46:56
trying to plug a charger into a wall
46:59
socket failing and saying a rude word
47:02
this sounds like the worst television in
47:06
the world ever it does doesn't it yes do
47:09
you know where we are three weeks later
47:12
sorry we ever did it six and a half
47:15
million views later
47:18
and I've gained two and a half thousand
47:21
new followers
47:22
so it sparked what I can only describe
47:25
as plug Wars all the the 500 comments
47:29
um 150 000 likes and in the comments
47:32
it's just full of like first of all it's
47:34
Americans going haha stupid plugs
47:36
American plugs are the best and then
47:37
you've got some Germans going no no no I
47:39
think you'll find our plugs are the best
47:40
and uh and then the Brits going no no
47:42
but ours are the safest in the world
47:44
haha but they didn't help you there and
47:46
then the just some Japanese of Communism
47:47
actually you're all wrong oh plugs are
47:49
the best and it's just turned into some
47:51
amazing plug Wars but this isn't my
47:53
dilemma I mean I've I'm now closing on 3
47:55
000 followers my dilemma is that that's
47:58
two and a half thousand people are
47:59
expecting plug related content from me I
48:03
don't know what to do now
48:04
I've got worse news for you I think uh
48:06
what whilst you're explaining that I've
48:08
just put seven seconds in but was it six
48:10
million people yeah right um basically
48:13
you have stolen 11 660 man days from the
48:18
world
48:19
if all those seven seconds are adding up
48:21
to 11
48:24
666.67 mandates think of what good could
48:27
have been done instead
48:29
uh you know what and this is this is a
48:32
lesson I want to get out to the kids
48:33
yeah hey kids I I struck gold with with
48:36
this this irrelevant stupid plug related
48:39
video of seven seconds it's got me six
48:41
and a half million views I've gained two
48:45
and a half thousand followers and you
48:47
know how much my life has improved
48:48
because of this
48:50
not a [ __ ] jot
48:53
are we allowed safer I'll beep it don't
48:55
worry oh okay
48:58
well that changes everything let's start
49:00
again it'll buff out in the edit don't
49:03
worry
49:04
nothing nothing has changed it's
49:07
pointless it's just inane gibberish and
49:10
I think about how much time and effort
49:12
we put into creating content and then I
49:13
do a seven second video of a bloody plug
49:16
failure
49:17
and and and this happens I find it
49:20
incredibly frustrating
49:22
but what do I do next what's what's my
49:24
next social media post on that you know
49:25
I would think you offer your channel to
49:27
Screwfix do you
49:30
try and vlogging yeah or or say B and Q
49:33
interested first so um
49:35
Mark I'll drop off um some bum butter
49:37
stickers to you if you can put them on
49:39
all your plugs
49:41
going forwards and for every million
49:44
visits for every million followers I'll
49:46
give you a beer the lesson we could take
49:48
away from it is probably we need to do
49:51
something that's
49:53
um it's about satisfying versus
49:56
annoying isn't it is that what it is
49:58
that that kind of vibe on the internet
50:00
you get really satisfying things when
50:03
you get annoying things so what sort of
50:06
bike related equivalent we could do
50:07
seven second video of a failure the
50:10
tires that don't fit into bike racks is
50:12
the main thing that annoys me
50:15
we could do that well there's the
50:17
challenge if there's any listeners out
50:19
there going any recommendations of what
50:20
I should where I should go next with my
50:22
power plug related following it's a bike
50:26
provision that doesn't fit the bikes
50:27
that we have so bike racks on trains
50:30
that work on top tubes that I don't have
50:32
on a bike anymore and stuff like that
50:34
yeah like like good good intentioned
50:36
social infrastructure that oh works on a
50:39
Vickers bike from 1940. about it there
50:43
we go I think we've got our social media
50:44
strategy for the next month completely
50:46
nailed right 1940s bicycles is our
50:49
social media strategy excellent oh as if
50:52
either of you got anything else before
50:54
we wind this inane chat up for this week
50:57
we're supposed to talk about something
50:58
else I can't think we have no idea of uh
51:01
impression then what have you got I have
51:03
not opened one yet oh you've been
51:05
delaying because you've got the school
51:06
runs doing a minute I mean yeah what's
51:07
they're all 33 30 mil aren't they yeah
51:10
there's one tool can in there but I
51:12
didn't get that so you've had that one
51:14
that's the best one you had that one
51:15
didn't you mark That's the best I'll say
51:17
cover it's not a cover is it is it a
51:20
cover like an album cover the album
51:22
cover it's good one man oh yeah that's
51:24
bibliotech that's a good one that's an
51:26
interesting observation now that music's
51:28
all digital you don't get to see album
51:29
covers I'm in I'm now enjoying the art
51:32
of beer cans in the same way I used to
51:34
enjoy album covers
51:38
do it next to your microphone
51:46
I've got a glass as well can you hear
51:49
that
51:52
I heard that that was a good sound
51:54
pilsner all right good okay
51:56
all right we need you quick opinion come
51:59
on quick it's warm it's not actually
52:02
because it's in the house so it's
52:04
probably about right
52:05
it's about 12 degrees on his breath
52:09
saying Benji is wearing a puffer jacket
52:11
and a woody Bobble hat indoors and we'll
52:14
let liners and over trousers and wool
52:16
socks and insulated slippers right I'm
52:19
gonna wrap this up now I think we've uh
52:21
blathered on you know I think we've got
52:22
everything covered don't forget to uh
52:25
check out that beer 52 offer that
52:27
beer52.com forward slash singletrack and
52:30
go and grab yourself a free box of beer
52:33
that's it for us so I'm gonna say
52:35
goodbye goodbye Charlie goodbye guys and
52:38
girls goodbye Benji au revoir all right
52:41
join us next week for some more inane
52:43
chat probably with less beer next week
52:46
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