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hello I'm Hannah managing editor at
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single track world and here is Benji
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howth technical editor at the same
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establishment there we go we're back cuz
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I've been away and so we've not been
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here for a couple of weeks well correct
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I've not been here for a couple weeks
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the podcast was the week before I think
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oh yeah it's a secret thing wasn't
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anywhere no we shall talk about that cuz
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all secret alante airport oh was it yeah
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oh it going to work out not work out it
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was Juan Hernandez or someone I want to
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know who it was but I haven't found that
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out yet what a footballer no that's the
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name of the airport it's named after
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some oh Spanish Gea I don't know okay
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can't help you there uh so
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profile so the news while I was away uh
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I basically missed the UK bike industry
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while I was away CU it was core bike was
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it oh yes yeah I did that the on uh
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Tuesday went down there in a day quite
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nice actually admire the carpet cor bike
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for for those who haven't been which is
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basically anyone that's not actually in
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the UK bike industry is is in a hotel
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near silverston and it's like the most
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massive sprawling Maze of a yes
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conference golfing hotel isn't it is it
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a conference I don't know conferencing
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golfing golfing and conferences that's
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the same thing isn't it like we don't
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even go in the golf building which is on
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the left you know you grow in in park
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everything's on the right there's think
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on the left if you want to play golf
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and it's and it's quite exhausting as
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lots of trade shows are like there's
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just a lot of chat and indoor stuff the
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carpet at cor oh yeah is the thing that
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everybody fears I think like it's sort
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of
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swirly yeah just like the carpet you
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grew up with it's like the carpet sh
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when you're growing up
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in
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bananas just like so
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patented but not like like Paisley not
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like 70s geometric like weird'
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80s I don't know anyway apart from the
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carpet did you see anything exciting at
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cike cike show my favorite and most and
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most exciting thing was in the ice and
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distribution room oh yeah uh there was
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something also there's a few things that
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were exciting that I'm not allowed to
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talk about yet what what was in the ice
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on room that was exciting then manitu
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oh nice manitu suspension product silver
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decals silver fork silver arches they
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very similar the ones they had on yes
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yeah um lower like dark gray I don't say
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they black and um Banner 2 is written
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vertically isn't it in like a widel
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legged squarey font that they used to
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use right why have I not bothered about
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that and uh the crowns were really cool
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cuz the silver look like they always
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have done with the arch on the back and
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so are you excited because they look
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cool or because of some other factor I
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really like I've not used every Mana 2
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fork and I would say that I've not been
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that
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historically bothered about their short
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travel ones not because I don't do short
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travel just think other people did it
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better but there are ones where they got
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more travel on them
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are exceptional usually okay the mat and
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the Meesa I've never really had a proper
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go on it so that's good to get those
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back wow and we'll get a Dorado in we
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won't but we might just get it in to
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look at it because it's upside down and
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therefore rad yeah and it's still looks
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the same still look got like sea Palmer
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era decals on it like white and red nice
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now just before core bike the other
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thing I missed was Ice Bike oh yes that
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was the gosh like as I was packing my
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suitcase basically yeah so so what did
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you see at ice bik that was years ago I
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know um my favorite um thing was Genesis
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Vagabond um don't know what kind of bike
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you want to call that takes 29 in/ 700
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see wheels does it have drop bars or
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flat bar bolts all over
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it what is Ice Bike I why is it called
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Ice Bike it's medison fre Wheels used UK
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distributor the biggest ones so
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Freewheel is an online bike shop but
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they're also that's like the online
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public arm of Madison who's the UK
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distributor yeah one of the biggest ones
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if not the biggest one yeah I think so
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distribut Shimano and then obviously
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Madison and Genesis y um and a whole
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bunch of other stuff so they have their
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own trade show yeah whereas cike is a
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whole number of Brands yeah but it's
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like 20 OD different brands or distri go
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there
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yeah so okay so this this bike does it
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have what do you call it the vagab bond
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vagab Bond I think it's called yeah flat
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bars or truck bars as usual either oh
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how many widgets does it have on it to
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attach things to your bike all all all
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of them a lot of bosses but it wasn't
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ridiculous it wasn't to the point where
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if I remember correctly wherever you put
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a boss you can't have very thin
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tubing so when you see bikes are covered
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in bosses it means it's basically gas
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pipe so
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beware unless it's carbon um there we go
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okay so that's it's a nice color I'll be
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quite shallow about it we'll talk about
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this in a future episode of this it was
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just look really good it's off to a
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winner isn't it yeah but it can only be
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good
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okay well let's move on from news and
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product news uh to Forum stuff now I
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have no idea what is in the Forum in
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terms of chatter because I've been on
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holiday and so I've been to look at all
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that but I do know that there is a whole
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new Forum there like it's new look
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there's new there are new elves in the
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background making the words appear on
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your screen whatever screen you are
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looking
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at so um and our piano
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Reeves is he an elf no but he was in a
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kind of he powered things in the
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background didn't he all right and a pod
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filled with pink okay goo so if you want
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to trat about bikes or pink goo or k
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Reeves or bikes you can go to the single
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track World forum and chat and now it
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looks different and there're still our
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Tech folks our Tech elves are still
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poking things and and make yeah ironing
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making things work yeah smoothing
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rasping is that we used to do in CDT
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rasp
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files smoo in the corners that kind of
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thing but but yeah go and have a look
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because it's there and there's all sorts
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of chat in there it's very busy so don't
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just go in one once a week cuz she'll be
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totally flipping
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lost going at least once a
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morning so and then let's uh talk about
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something that got delivered this week
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the the
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L
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Elijah is what it is
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Eli oh I don't know actually is it not
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is it asked I went through Iceland on
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the way L is it e LJ is there I in it as
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well God I thought Icelandic oh it's not
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the Elijah no El God was right for that
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yeah but it's probably not pronounced
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eler is it like yeah true something like
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that yeah just like youve had something
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fermented with fish so that that arrived
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yesterday today or something but it had
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been in the UK apparently for about two
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weeks or something okay while uh Customs
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were looking at it because it was so
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interesting
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they were like whoa what's this what's
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this a carbon fiber bike from the land
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of whatever it used to be called of like
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199 sort of it's like both from the past
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and the future it's single pivot it's a
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laugh single pivot which is what LSP
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stands for right which is written on the
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frame I thought it was going to be leaf
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spring projection or something techno
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but it's not and it doesn't have the
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leaf spring fork on it does it no it's
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got
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Pike with
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130 or 40 mil I'm not sure actually but
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it'll be at least 130 back 120 Mill I
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think travel and so we're doing a sort
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of audio visual mash up here because
9:42
some people will be listening to this
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with their ears yeah and some people
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will be using this on YouTube which
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involves eyes as well and they might get
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to see a popup picture imagine if an
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Ibis M with an orange and an Ellsworth
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it's not Ellsworth it's all there no
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Machining on it it's not four bar it's
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not covered in heavy metal Thunder it's
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like melty kind of swoopy I don't
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remember elth from when they were
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aluminium no
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maybe yeah oh yeah that's that's more
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IIs though isn't it these days both yeah
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okay anyway visually whatever I'm not
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that interested in debating the visual
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but I think I like the cut of that
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bike's jib okay in terms of you just
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like it cuz it's pink no I don't
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actually I just think it's a a good is
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different for a star which makes my life
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easier I think it's going
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to be Prejudice about it I think it's
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got it uh I don't know try think of more
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of cliches I can use it's got its ducks
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in a row okay I think it looks good I
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think it's a lot to be said for doing
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something without loads of
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pivots okay it looks really easy to
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clean as well that's the other thing is
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my age showed but that's easy to clean
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smooth glossy nothing too cranny
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covered in
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batteries which it doesn't have to be
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that's just the house of
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sham version with flly attendant techno
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and up and Downy Wireless saddle and Zip
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Zap gears
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okay three batteries on
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it four including the button B oh God no
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I but none of those are it's not an
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ebike it's it's not a pedal assist no
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battery no cool and it should be no not
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it should be I think we probably will
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put rather large volumous tires on CU
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one of the things that I'm not en
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entirely sure I agree with for around
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here or me be the you can put massive
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volume tires on it like 29 sorry 29 by 3
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in right because which makes a lot of
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sense in Iceland possibly yeah where
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it's all gruly and soft and sunny and
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snowy and that kind of thing so I don't
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know what ties it came with downstairs
12:03
some goody year things that look quite
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voluminous 2.6s maybe we'll try all
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sorts of things on them right so you are
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going to ride the not Elijah the ELA I'm
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not no nope oh I will be present you're
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going to supervise the writing of the
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TVC TVH surprise oh okay right well
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you're you're going to watch somebody
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riding that h and right now we're going
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to have a short
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break we're going to segue
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neatly yeah super slickly and neatly
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through Iceland yes which is where LA is
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from and I had a brief pause in there on
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my way to my
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holiday and then I had another brief
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pause in Seattle on my way to my holiday
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yeah and then I had a slightly longer
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pause in Salt Lake City which involved
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broken down cars and rental cars with
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Bal tires if you rent a car folks check
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your tires wow uh a blizzard yeah and
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then eventually I made it to Moab it's
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so like City where you're not allowed
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very strong beer or something is that
13:18
somewhere else all of Utah there
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are no but they've made it higher now so
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okay
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weirdly you can the one place you can
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rely ably by beer of the weaker variety
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and I think they've put it up to like 5%
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now is the garage right okay yeah in
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fact one day I didn't we we've been for
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a ride and I went into the garage as or
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the gas station as they call it and I
13:47
could only see two kinds of beer on the
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Shelf I was like oh okay I'll choose
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that one but it's moderately cheaper
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went and bought it went back the next
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day and realized that beside the shelf
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that only had two kinds of beer on it
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there was a big glass door into a giant
14:05
walk-in fridge and had completely missed
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that that was a glass door and not a
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poster for beer and inside there were
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like hundreds of kinds of beer I wasn't
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really expecting like go to the garage
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and buy be you had like Fosters actually
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no well there was a choice of like
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basically Fosters or nice stuff but it
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was much more expensive my God so so
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yeah uh restrictions on buying alcohol
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is a thing right but they're weird CU
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yeah drive drive to buy alcohol that
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makes sense
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well well I drive to Tesco and buy
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alcohol yeah I do go home first usually
14:48
just to park on the drive I don't get
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don't go in the home just just sit on
14:53
your drive open on the uh
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outside so so yeah and then why while I
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was there I did do some mountain biking
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I did do a day of mountain biking but I
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did more gravel
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riding so Benji is staring at the
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camera that's big
15:16
sigh you've been before though haven't
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you oh yeah actually I haven't that's
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the first time that I've ridden a trail
15:24
in Moab on a mountain bike
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usually bik yeah passing through and had
15:30
kids and whatever else like
15:32
busy yeah so I did I borrowed a moots
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route
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ybb which was the perfect tool for the
15:40
job actually it's got the little soft
15:42
tail suspension thingy in the
15:45
back um it's an interesting version of
15:48
perfect well it was for for what we were
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riding right so like every ride in Moab
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what does ybb stand
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for is it why bed that's why be beat oh
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maybe I don't be beat up
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okay I think well whether you riding on
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a mountain bike or gravel bike every
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ride in Moab starts with an hour of
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climbing unless you do a shuttle okay so
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you do like an hour on quite a nice
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traffic free bike path in my instance
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okay on a grael bike and then around the
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back and into archers National Park and
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it's all like wash boardy stuff wasn't
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no it's fine it's like before it gets
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hot okay so you can actually go gravel
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riding all day long because you won't
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die of heat
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exhaustion um but it wasn't actually
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snowing most of the time that I was
16:47
there how much liquid did you have on it
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on your person or your bicycle not not
16:52
just a bottle actually could have died
16:55
could have well so yeah later in the
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year you would need that but yeah this
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time of year was bit nippy not being
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Moab not being to Moab
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no it's got good rvel riding right good
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I have ridden gravel for the first time
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well not really for the first time ever
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but pretty much the other this week I
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think and you all clipped shoes yeah CLI
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back in which is fine so he didn't fall
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off no well done
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mhm I didn't fall off but it was it was
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like um I don't know just something else
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to think about is it being clipped in
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bit of advance planning yeah doesn't
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really add a great deal it might do
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that's what we'll find
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out was all right graveling yeah better
17:47
than walking there you go that's the
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adver advertis better than
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walking yeah well it was interesting
17:55
I've been out for the previous hour in a
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bit on an ebike with a million watts of
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power and I thought I'd get on the
18:03
gravel bike and um it wasn't and your
18:06
own leggings felt like they had a
18:08
milli yeah so so it has its it has its
18:13
place does gravel cover the ground yeah
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what it made me think about was like
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they of phrase or it's good to feel
18:18
what's happening under you or something
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or I like I need to know what I like to
18:23
feel what's happening underneath
18:25
me to a degree uhhuh trying to think of
18:29
the analogy of audio it's like you could
18:32
either listen to something very
18:35
specifically or have loads of cacophony
18:37
coming at you where you can't really
18:39
tell what's going on but in a feel in a
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[Music]
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rumbling what's the word not tactile
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feeling kind of sense there's too much
18:51
to be felt to do anything with it is
18:54
that supposed to do with this
18:54
information that's been battered into my
18:57
bones could really am I losing traction
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am I gaining traction am I doing well am
19:01
I doing whatever or am I just fighting a
19:03
bicycle like I did in
19:06
1993 which is not what recycling is
19:10
fighting a bicycle it's not misery it's
19:12
not fighting it's not like being black
19:14
and white and sad it's me to be joyful
19:18
fun he all right okay I think we may yet
19:23
convert you
19:25
to at least appreciating gravel Bing the
19:28
other thing I thought was this is just a
19:30
road bike that's done work
19:34
properly well it's a road bike that
19:35
gives you Choice it's it's a road that
19:37
doesn't jack knife when you
19:40
sneeze and doesn't break your neck when
19:43
you're riding
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along it's a road bike that has zero
19:47
nothing to do with professional road
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racing thus is a good road
19:51
bike no I'm I'm not I'm not disagreeing
19:54
with you I think I have been preaching
19:56
this word yeah just glad you've Co up I
20:00
couldn't reach the breake levers very
20:03
well on the drops so I'm going to work
20:05
out how to wind those in I couldn't work
20:07
out how to do
20:08
it well um I'm trying to think what else
20:11
did I do my holid I bottom out my my
20:14
Fork I only used uh 30 mil of it 40 mil
20:18
of travel oh you had a suspension Fork I
20:20
did not have a suspension Fork on my
20:22
back and oh forgot on my holidays cuz I
20:27
was away there was a j Telly and I got
20:30
to watch braer oh
20:33
veic riding in
20:36
Alaska and then when I Alaska that
20:38
passed me by that I don't know but yeah
20:40
so he's riding in Alaska and then I got
20:42
back to discover he's going to be on our
20:43
next front cover and I had to interview
20:45
him yeah and he says much the same thing
20:48
as you about wanting to feel the bike he
20:50
doesn't like a bike to be too soft and
20:53
spongy and like cushioning he likes to
20:56
feel it yeah to a degree
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he seems to like to feel it quite a
21:02
lot um to be fair but yeah makes them
21:07
feel alive right good I've not seen that
21:09
pig have I how many I've seen the cover
21:11
don't know well we haven't published it
21:14
out there yet it's like you're hearing
21:16
this here first in this podcast yeah
21:20
good so anyway lots of new products that
21:23
are totally not I say illegal then
21:25
totally um under un Bongo
21:29
okay secret things to come yeah from
21:31
very big players in Industry they're not
21:34
for ages yet so put those things to the
21:36
back of J month I think that yeah well
21:42
oh no and an m
21:44
month any and then a
21:48
2026 what you've seen a 2026 product
21:52
already oh God three oh yeah by then
21:57
have we not entered like full on uh
22:00
zombie apocalypse
22:02
mode what 2026 yeah I don't
22:05
know um well have we entered the Dark
22:08
Ages I don't know rare earth materials
22:10
aren't very
22:12
rare very common Rare Earth yeah
22:16
yeah why is it called rare Mark M why
22:19
are they called rare earth materials I
22:21
don't know because they're so hard to
22:23
extract and turn into something useful
22:25
that they end up being practically rare
22:27
but they abundance is not
22:30
rare
22:31
okay my radio works for my car
22:34
again radio four there you go oh so
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that's what you've learned that's what I
22:39
learned this morning
22:41
yeah
22:43
radio okay well uh whether you've been
22:46
listening on your radio see segue after
22:49
segue or Wireless on your on your ears
22:53
or on the YouTubes thanks for being with
22:55
us today go and check out single track
22:59
world.com for some of the stories that
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you've been talking about some of the
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products yep and we'll be back next
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weeko bye
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chocolate bars I know that's not new but
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like a slab of chocolate that's Kit Kat
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