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Blenki to Cube? Madison to quit DH? A new rider on Pivot Factory Racing? Just some of the team rumours discussed in this episode of the pod. We’ve also got the inimitable Bernard Kerr talking about hitting those 90ft Hardline jumps for the first time, his love of women’s racing and if he could add any rider to the Pivot FactoryRacing team, who would it be? Plus, do World Cup jumps need new standards, like motocross, to make them safer? And does anyone know what's happening with ESO next season?
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making of the numbers podcast it was
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crazy because I just um I just got a
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hospital I just had some scans waiting
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for the doctors and you know that was
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probably the only moment where I was
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like a friend of mine had to retire from
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rugby because of a neck injury and and
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his vertebrae had been displaced and
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um you know that that's uh that was
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starting to go through my mind as how
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severe this injury is yeah and I picked
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up my phone and I was like I was the
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last 10 guys to come down so I started
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watching and uh my fiance and gas fire
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from Crank Brothers had were down in the
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hospital with me but you know they're
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waiting on the benches and I'm in this
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bed trying to hold my phone and and then
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I like I said go get all excited and
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they come over like what's going on I
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was like I finished overall I'm
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protected for next season and they're
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like but you're not gonna even think
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about maybe retiring or I was like
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there's no way I'm protected it doesn't
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matter things are good uh gave me a bit
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of a bit of Hope and excitement in the
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hospital and being so good is like it
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can be hard you know especially I think
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beyond your teammates but I think he's
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younger and he really like appreciating
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every moment every good moment so for
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sure in my case if I finish second be
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hiding my like [ __ ] it
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because I'm older you know we have I'm
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five years old more than him so
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yeah you have plenty of time to play
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with for me it's not the same so Fort
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William's a bit different to everything
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else on the World Cup circuit are you a
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fan of that track
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ah no no actually I'm not a fan of it
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whatsoever I mean I think that place is
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like I felt like when I came home I was
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like man I feel like I was out there at
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a race for six months after being there
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for three days I was like this place is
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just like going to war the computer
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tells you everything but at the end of
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the day you just take the [ __ ] break
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yourself and go faster
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people
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foreign
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episode 10 of the Pod so for the next
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couple of episodes I thought we'd do
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something a little bit different and
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throw it up into Jack and Emily to
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choose our guests
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the only stipulation being that they
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have to choose people who we've never
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had on the Pod before and I can assure
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you they've not let us down first up is
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Emily and it'll be no surprise to many
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of you but she picked a rider who waited
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until he was 31 to have his breakout
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season and I'm really excited about
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welcoming Bernard Kerr onto the podcast
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but first I need to do a little bit of
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housekeeping and give a shout out to a
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few people the first is at Primos on the
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vital forum who tracked down where I got
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the wind Masters to replace Rob one a
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rumor from it was first mooted by user K
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stack in the comments section on the win
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TV Snowshoe track walk video and it's a
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relief to hear that I didn't dream it so
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thank you very much for that
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no I didn't actually think at one point
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have I made this up uh no response from
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win on that one but I did see he was
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filming with gmbn last week so maybe it
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has got like Jack Emmy if either of you
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heard anything on that one I didn't no
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but I think he was in uh Barcelona with
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first Valencia and Barcelona with
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Burnett so maybe we could throw a little
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question in there for Bernie we'll see
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what he says yeah I think his silence
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attacked him in loads of stuff on
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Instagram and his silence perhaps speaks
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volumes do you reckon so is he is it
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just that someone made a comment on a
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video saying he would be good at
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replacing Rob Warner or is it actually
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someone who knows something who said he
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might replace
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not sure if care stack knows anything it
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wasn't like it would be good to see you
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I don't think I think it was like have
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you signed with Discovery yet or
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something like that I can't quite
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remember right okay I also need to
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mention fictit machine he was the winner
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of the making up the numbers Fantasy
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League mini league on pink bike with a
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whopping 5230 points so congratulations
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to you and the final person I need to
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give a shout out to is Martin Whiteley
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Keen listeners will remember that I
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asked Greg Minar if he ever if he had
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ever had a season without a World Cup
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Podium and Greg couldn't remember and I
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didn't know the answer either but I knew
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Martin would and he dropped me a note to
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say since Greg got his first World Cup
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podium in 2000 he's only had one season
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where he failed to Podium that was 2018
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when he broke his arm training just
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before Fort William and missed a bunch
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of rounds so thank you for that Martin
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if you haven't checked Martin's recent
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double header on downtime it's a great
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listen as is the Geordie Cortez one on
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vital shout out to Jordy which segs
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nicely into our first team rumor so
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there's a a promo going around for a
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ghost Factory racing team video called
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breaking the tip either of you see that
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no I've seen the trailer and I've seen
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Martin in it that's what I was gonna say
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yeah okay yeah it looks like it focuses
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on XC quite a lot but Martin's in it
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quite a lot and I think the first
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episode drops this week we we know
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Martin will be back on the World Cup
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circuit next year no downhill bike on
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the market at the moment but do you
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think ghost could be his destination oh
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no well they have a noodle but I can
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have a Slavic right so I mean why not
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um but I I know he's the representative
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or the team manager for cross country as
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well so maybe he's going to just focus
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on cross country I don't know yeah I
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think he was he said somewhere he was
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talking to a couple of Brands and he was
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coming back to downhill that's what I
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heard too so yeah yeah
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you heard anything Jack any ideas where
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Martin might end up no absolutely not
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um I'd seen that he'd been signing bits
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and Bobs and sure he's listening now so
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yeah all right George another email let
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us know what's going on or maybe you can
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just give us a little clue
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so the only other rumor I'm aware of was
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that Cuba hiring a third mechanic so Max
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has just resigned with them on a
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multi-year contract it looks like
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Danny's going to be there for a third
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season at least as he's been out testing
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with them recently any ideas about a
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third Rider who who'd be a good fit at
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cube with Danny and Max are any young
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German or Austrian riders coming through
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trying to think that's an amateur well
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maybe it's anyone really because there's
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a lot of people looking for teams I mean
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we don't know where Andrew is going to
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go we don't know what Greg we asked me
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Google maybe he's going to be a better
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Runner than we think and Norco needed to
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Norco had some riders that need a new
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home so there's a lot of people out and
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about so I'm not sure I was going to ask
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about blankie actually
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because you know it looked like he was
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heading towards retirement and then he
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grabbed eighth at monster and Anne just
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one crank Works Rotorua don't look like
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he's winding down does it no and he's
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always doing well like in the also like
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the smaller races like prank works like
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always winning national champs are like
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real close to it so all this little
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races probably give him like that extra
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push that he needs to
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um hang on and maybe try to like get a
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Podium again and I think he would get if
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you get a top five like I think he's
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gonna he's gonna retire you know when
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brands are looking for Riders how much
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like importance do they place on like
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the style and the the name like someone
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like blankie
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would they choose someone like Blinky do
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you think of as someone who's younger
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and regularly in the top
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30. I don't know it depends a bit what
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kind of bread you already have in your
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grocery like we have someone like Danny
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he'll go maybe for someone younger yeah
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but because Danny has a style and he has
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consistency and everything but if you
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have like only young people on your team
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maybe you go for someone like baking
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that has experienced in style but
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obviously blinking has it all I mean
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it's just like whatever you're searching
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for but I think I'm not really sure he
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will have a trouble finding sponsors but
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no I could be I don't know what you
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think Jack but yeah I think pretty much
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the same it'll certainly need to be
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somebody that Danny gets on with and I
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know that Sam does spend time with Danny
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when he's over in the UK especially with
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them having kids a similar age so
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would be a good fit
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um obviously as you just said very
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marketable Rider everyone loves him so
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yeah he only wants trouble to find a new
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home so there's not a lot else out there
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team rumor why is that have you guys
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heard anything yeah I've got something
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for you
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oh go on then
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um I heard that Remy Ma Smith and Nick
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Smith are going to Giant both and we
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said that last time keep up no yeah yeah
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yeah yeah
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but I can tell you for sure all right
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confirmation it's a confirmation but
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probably you said I can't remember you
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said that yeah that's been if you hear
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that from oh you got me all excited yeah
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he's been kicking around for a while is
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that one I think that'll be a good team
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we were a material in those I've got
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another one but I can't tell you though
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this is secret tell me you know I'll
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tell George and everyone else so I don't
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care
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girl
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so let's see if I can get out of here
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because I've got a gut feeling it might
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be it might be wrong so I was thinking
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about the rumors we've discussed over
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the last two episodes and I was having
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to think about the spaces that will
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become available if those rumors happen
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so probably the best place to start
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would be Madison saracen if Jordan Harry
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and Vera do all leave as he's rumored
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who do you think might come in to fill
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those spots well cam just told me she
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heard that Madison might quit might
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don't have a team at all that's what she
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just told me she's like someone some she
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heard that somewhere so that's the only
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the second thing I heard so I don't know
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then at least if that student where's my
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Orca going but maybe it's not totally
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that's that would be huge and if it's
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not true then it's Sam's fault
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[Laughter]
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well I I think that's very unlikely
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um possible but unlikely and I know that
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from talking with saracen myself through
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my team
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and they told me that they were quite
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happy with their own Factory team and
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were weren't looking to add to it
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um I know that Matt's very happy there
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Matt's a friend of mine we've got a stag
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do with him fairly soon so I'd be amazed
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if it is true
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um
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who's always drunk
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no I'm joking that's not the one
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so let's say let's say Madison sarason
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is still in the game they will likes a
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particular type of Rider doesn't he
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likes races rather than um people who
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are big on socials who what kind of
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Rider would would Matt Walker want on
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the team because that's that's probably
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the right the thing they're looking for
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in is somebody to support Matt British
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you'd say British would you say Jack
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um yeah for sure with it being Madison
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saracen they've always have they had
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they've had one foreign ride around
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there Alex Alex Marion Road for him for
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a bit Alex was there yeah I was thinking
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of um
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I can't remember his name Japanese it
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was a Japanese I'm sure he was at
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Sarasota
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I can't remember his name he wasn't Yuki
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it was the other and that's him yeah
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yeah yeah for apparently for a buy-in
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but apparently he was there quite a few
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years but hey he was there a few years
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but
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um but yeah I mean Matt's top five Rider
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and he said they're not going to get
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another top 10 Rider so yeah I honestly
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think it's probably more likely that
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they look to replenish their Junior and
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youth stock
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um I can't remember if we mentioned it
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but I'm I'm pretty sure that George
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madly the youth Rider is going to
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Madison from everything I heard that as
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well yeah so he's he'll be there as a
13:04
second year Youth and then the question
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will be do they replace Jordan but Owen
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Rick is the probably the fastest second
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year Junior of 2023 in the UK and as far
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as I'm aware he's coming to me so yeah
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um
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Junior then they're gonna have to
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probably look elsewhere in terms of
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which country they're signing from
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um so be interesting somebody like Luke
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Williamson
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yeah
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yeah there's no reason why not he's
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young he's fast
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um I I can see that team just just stay
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in that for you yeah I think it sounds
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like it's been a rather unhappy camp
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for 12 months with lots of uh politics
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should we call it
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um about diving into any more details
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and I think they're probably just
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thinking let's just get [ __ ] steady
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again that would be my Approach as the
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team manager if I was yeah if Will was
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allowed to decide himself my Approach
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would be get the ship steady again and
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then look to expand yeah so if Scott
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take Cove to replace floor and paye who
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goes to Atherton to replace him rumors
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have run and done this is the that was
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the one I thought your first is saying
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she mentioned that last time yeah
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I haven't talked to
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um to anyone about that but it could be
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but yeah I haven't they're probably
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talking but I I've asked Vernon for
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rumors they didn't tell me anything
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except the one that you already no that
14:39
was that was the one I thought I might
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prize out of you if it was if it was a
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definite
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definitely happening well we'll leave
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the rumors there a few people saying
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nice things about the hypothetical
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question in the last episode so so let's
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do another one of those
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so let's imagine you guys are building a
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downhill teammate and you're picking two
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male Riders and one female Rider forget
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marketability it's just purely risk
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success in 2023 a one-year deal I'm
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gonna give you three batches of
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varieties to choose from so let's start
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with your lead Rider and these these
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guys all finished between 8th and 13th
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in the overall in 2022 so your choice is
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from
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Aaron Gwen
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Danny Hart Greg Minar Tebow diprella and
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Matt Walker who you're choosing who
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would you put your money on for 2023
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from those ladies first unless you want
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time to think so I know my answer no no
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but like you said who is your maniano
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you want to take a rider that you're
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like I want to pick a ride that I like
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as well all right okay yeah
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you know what I mean like if someone
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that you think is going to be fast but
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you also want someone that fits for me
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my question there is who on that list
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don't you like
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really so much
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how many of them on the list
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all of them except
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it's just like not like in a sense of
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like who do you want to work with yeah
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yeah I know exactly what you mean
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exactly so I want to work with Matt
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Walker because I think he's young and
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he's just like it's proven himself and I
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think he's a good beat writer yeah yeah
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and it'd be exciting to see him under a
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different tent yep that's something I've
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always said like obviously I've known
16:34
Matt since he was like they went on a
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riding holiday with him and his dad when
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he was like 13.
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um and I've always thought it would be
16:41
exciting to see in a different Camp
16:43
obviously he does extremely well and the
16:45
camp is in but yeah it would just be
16:47
quite cool to see him on a Specialized
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or on a Saturday Cruise or a pivot or
16:53
something and I think the faster bike
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you mean
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no I genuinely don't even mean that
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I actually just spent a different
17:03
program but yeah yeah maybe if it was on
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one of the one of the big bikes then
17:07
books am I trying to do that because
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like you look at that I know you look at
17:11
that bike though and look what he's
17:13
doing it's a rider man it is they're all
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on a wooden stick and he'd be the faster
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like
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this Market that's how these companies
17:23
Market their stuff like
17:24
that's why they spend all the money on
17:26
the big Riders to make their bikes look
17:28
great but yeah anyway
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um so a tough one for me because like I
17:34
said Matt's good friend of mine
17:37
um gwinny and Minar are obviously like
17:39
Legends Danny's Danny's always going to
17:41
produce great results but my choice
17:43
would be Tebow deprava and that for me
17:47
is because I run a development program
17:49
and I just see so much potential there
17:52
that's not been
17:54
um you know it hasn't done
17:56
yet and I would love to work with Tebow
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myself as his performance coach so that
18:02
that would be my choice there okay cool
18:04
and your support Rider these guys all
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finished between 15th and 24th in 2022
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so you've got Charlie Hatton Dylan
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Levesque Dakota Norton Angel Suarez and
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Lucas Shaw
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it's a really easy one for me Luca is
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that because she's like I think he
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should be
18:25
almost yeah because it's just like his
18:28
potential is just like he's a big hitter
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in me and he's such a good guy and he
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has it to his girlfriend and you
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know
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[Laughter]
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would you want to spend more time with
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Yolanda oh yeah
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angel angels are the few Podium so he's
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nearly enough yeah yeah so yeah yeah I
18:50
mean for sure Dark Angel Luca are you
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you're kind of three Heavy Hitters there
18:54
that I mean was Angel number seven or
18:57
some last year or he was in the top 10
18:59
at one point wasn't he and then yeah
19:02
top 15 almost every race and he's also
19:06
young you know for sure definitely
19:08
that's what I was just about to say
19:10
you've got and Charlie Dylan and Charlie
19:12
who are there on on like an awkward
19:15
curve my it's again an incredibly tough
19:18
choice and you could probably guarantee
19:20
that whichever one you chose you'd get
19:22
halfway through the season and gosh
19:25
um but I'd choose Charlie
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um just because in my opinion he has one
19:31
of the if not the best riding Style on
19:33
the circuit I absolutely love watching
19:35
that kid ride
19:36
um hinge and elbows and the way it
19:39
clearly links his legs with what he's
19:41
doing up front with his with his arms is
19:43
it just looks like it balances the bite
19:46
perfectly and
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um it's a very coachable technique as
19:49
well and having him around for everyone
19:51
else in the team would be would be great
19:53
and also I he just seems to be just
19:55
ticking boxes over the last few years
19:57
and I'd like to think next year is gonna
20:00
going to be a big one so Charlie would
20:02
be my supporter out of there excellent
20:04
and Elite women one from these four and
20:07
they all finished between seventh and
20:09
14th so you've got Jess Blewett Millie
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John set and a new Kirk and Louise
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Ferguson oh this is so hard for me
20:16
because you want to pick Louise Ferguson
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no I think they all have something
20:23
different I think Luis is like probably
20:25
the right the writer with the most like
20:28
who could progress the most in racing
20:31
but I don't know if she has like the
20:34
racist mind yeah you know like because
20:37
she wants like she wants to be a better
20:39
writer I don't know she's like a racing
20:41
killer like cam would be and that's
20:44
something really important if you want
20:45
to race down no and well just do it it's
20:49
for sure the fastest Rider but she's not
20:51
the most consistent she has a lot of
20:53
crashes a lot of injuries and so the
20:57
minute so I think I'll we'll get on a
20:59
nuclear because she was born in
21:01
Switzerland and I know her for a while
21:02
and I think when cam stops racing in
21:05
Switzerland there's no more Swiss
21:07
writers around there's four girls at the
21:09
Swiss Champs there's no one and another
21:12
American passport but I think she'll
21:14
have us responsible soon and it will be
21:16
a chance for us to have like some kind
21:18
of a future another one yeah for sure
21:20
because there is no one there's like 13
21:22
years old girls but in between there's
21:25
like maybe one junior or with a second
21:27
one but there's not a lot of people
21:28
around and I want to support the people
21:30
that are close also and I think Anna has
21:34
a great potential but she doesn't
21:35
believe in herself enough yeah I think I
21:38
will be able in that setting I will be
21:40
able to like give her that step of that
21:42
confidence because she's a top 10 Rider
21:45
I mean she could get put him easily if
21:46
she would like believe in herself a bit
21:48
more yeah for sure I've spent quite a
21:51
bit of time with her through the SS on
21:53
tour connection she's a lovely girl as
21:54
well which is she's really nice yeah
21:56
she's awesome it's nice to see all four
21:59
but I think it'll be my pick yeah
22:01
because I'm a Swiss Patriots that's
22:04
right nothing wrong with that
22:09
I I think I'd again tough one
22:14
um but I think I'd go with Jess I think
22:16
she's probably kind of same kind of
22:21
as you just said they're me lots of
22:24
flair lots of uh lots of pace just needs
22:27
a little bit of uh a little bit of
22:29
coaching a little bit of guidance and
22:30
she could be you know obviously winning
22:32
lots of races so I think that would be
22:34
my choice would you listen to you though
22:36
I don't know
22:39
I've literally never we've never said a
22:41
word to each other so who knows I
22:43
genuinely thought on the on the two
22:45
sets of guys I thought there's no clear
22:48
winner here but on the women's I thought
22:50
you would both pick Jess Blewett I
22:52
thought she was kind of a little bit
22:53
ahead
22:54
realistically you have to because I
22:56
think she
22:57
thinks she lives but yeah
22:59
um someone had so many injuries already
23:01
and I don't know like she's someone also
23:04
that has huge aspirations you know like
23:06
she wants to raise Hardline and she
23:08
wants to do all this kind of stuff which
23:10
is I think he's awesome yeah but it also
23:12
involves a lot of risks you know yeah in
23:15
that mindset and I don't know if I can
23:18
as a team manager I will be able to deal
23:20
with that you know like I'll be like oh
23:22
my God George did you tell us what yours
23:24
were I don't think you did yeah
23:28
I'll have to do it on the spot then you
23:31
wrote it
23:32
oh yeah I'd throw my money and tell you
23:35
about the prayer for sure I knew that
23:38
that next one yeah that next one is the
23:41
tough one because I think Dakota
23:44
if he was more consistent
23:46
I've probably got to cut a Norton
23:49
but yeah I would have to go Lucas Shore
23:51
I think because Angel isn't consistent
23:53
either Luca is a sensible choice I just
23:56
yeah I love Charlie and I'm crossing my
23:57
fingers for next year for Charlie so and
24:00
then Jess blew it on the yeah on the
24:03
other one yeah all right so yeah I like
24:06
these questions they provoke some some
24:08
good debate right we'll be back with
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so this is one of those weird things
25:42
that happens in life bernica has been
25:45
reacting forever 261 results on routes
25:48
and Rain I've I've been racing since
25:51
2014 76 races both obviously UK's best
25:55
but until about two minutes ago we'd
25:57
never met before welcome to the podcast
25:59
Bernard how's it going good yeah thanks
26:01
for having me on busy enjoying the rain
26:03
in the UK again but yeah having a good
26:04
time excellent you just got back from
26:06
Barcelona was it yeah Boston I got back
26:08
this morning like 8 A.M this morning
26:10
yeah and how long were you there for I
26:12
was in Boston there for one day and
26:13
Valencia or two
26:15
does it work or was it fun uh kind of
26:17
fun we went me and myself and Wen went
26:19
to what went to watch the Moto GP for
26:21
two days so that was awesome and then we
26:23
rode like hardtails around Barcelona
26:25
like little kids again for a day which
26:27
was pretty cool
26:28
so uh when I was looking at those races
26:31
on roots and rain I did a little head to
26:33
head and we've only actually been at the
26:35
same race once round round three of the
26:38
2016 BDS at Balor
26:41
I'm gonna ask you a question about it
26:43
you were eighth that day with a 312 and
26:46
I crossed the line in five minutes and
26:48
seven seconds so I must have flat
26:51
flatted or something but
26:53
um Pop Quiz can you remember who took
26:55
the win that day at Bala yeah 2016. I've
26:59
got a clue if you need one
27:01
who would do good at Bala that's what
27:04
I'm trying to think whether it was like
27:05
Mark Beaumont or Joe Smith or someone I
27:07
don't know you need to think way more
27:09
out of the box yeah he was his only he's
27:11
only National win so far probably his
27:14
only National win ever Harry Heath
27:17
no that's too far out the box I'll tell
27:20
you in Instagram
27:22
Ennis Graham no way yeah yeah I remember
27:24
that as well I would not have guessed
27:26
that that's wild I think he was standing
27:28
between G and Steve on the podium
27:32
stick next to those two yeah he's got
27:35
crazy results all over the show and
27:37
years apart but he's got something AWS
27:40
yeah yeah
27:42
so 2013 was the last year you raced
27:45
Nationals regularly is that a conscious
27:48
thing or not to do them or is it just
27:50
time no way it's honestly it'll be more
27:52
time because we do World Cups and crank
27:54
works and a hard line and I do some
27:56
street races and other things and if you
27:58
want to be competitive I think at World
28:00
Cups these days you've got to ride
28:02
mountains a lot and a lot of downhill
28:04
and to race Nationals it takes a lot of
28:07
time if you're in Europe it takes at
28:09
least a day travel each way you're not
28:11
gonna ride much when you're there okay
28:13
you're race but for the amount of riding
28:16
and amount of coverage you get it takes
28:19
a lot of time and a lot of money yeah I
28:21
don't see the benefit really either way
28:23
for World Cups whether you're trying to
28:24
get sponsors yeah the amount of coverage
28:26
you get is not worth the 2 000 pounds or
28:28
1500 quit it would cost me to go to One
28:31
National and so yeah it's like a money
28:33
and time I guess thing so so you'll have
28:36
to excuse me here because I've been down
28:37
a bit of a rabbit hole you're good you
28:40
you Jack and Brayton are all around the
28:42
same age and I remember you were all on
28:44
the 2017 worlds team together and whilst
28:47
I was on routes and real I was like I'll
28:48
look at some stats here and this this is
28:51
going to blow your mind so you've all
28:53
got around 260 races on there and
28:55
there's been there's been 71 races where
28:58
the three of you have all rest together
29:00
71 71 yeah so if I tell you that your
29:04
combined race time for those 71 races is
29:08
4 hours 36 minutes and 53 seconds
29:12
tell me if you think Jack and Brett in a
29:14
faster or slower
29:16
I like to back myself so I want to say
29:17
I'm faster but
29:19
of course you will of course I will I
29:22
reckon
29:23
at Nationals though I reckon they both
29:24
smoke me a lot on Nationals I was never
29:26
that good at Nationals yeah it's a lot
29:28
of races or 71's a lot of World Cups in
29:30
it it is but
29:32
I've taken a while to get good at work
29:34
I'm sorry
29:36
ah I say Brayton might be ahead of me
29:39
and Jack maybe behind oh yeah I Don't
29:41
Know Jack had a real good year and like
29:43
what was it like 2014 maybe when he did
29:45
good at valsol I'm guessing that the
29:47
year there it was two years in a row and
29:50
rejected really good at like Valdosta
29:51
and had like Good Seasons like you know
29:53
when you're on a roll you go well so so
29:55
Jack's figures are a bit skewed because
29:57
he had a slow start the second race when
29:59
the three you mean I was [ __ ] yeah yeah
30:01
yeah
30:02
let's see how it is
30:05
the second race when you race Together
30:07
Jack lost a minute to the pair of you at
30:09
Fort William so he's he's Jax you were
30:12
on four hours 36 minutes and 53 seconds
30:15
and Jack was on four hours 43 minutes
30:17
and 16 seconds crazy Britain is on four
30:22
hours 36 minutes and 48 seconds he's
30:25
five seconds ahead of you bastard let's
30:28
see
30:30
five seconds after over four and a half
30:33
hours of racing how crazy is that crazy
30:36
but you've got more wins one more
30:39
Hardline win against him and you'll have
30:40
him yeah no yeah I lost I lost a minute
30:42
then there anyway what I was trying to
30:45
show was that you guys are all around
30:47
the same age you've been racing forever
30:48
and if you were a betting man you'd
30:50
probably say 2022 your best results
30:53
coming into 2022 your best results were
30:55
probably behind you you had that sweet
30:57
spot around 2016 17 when you got seven
31:01
foot Leo going fifth in Valley Soul
31:03
fifthly again fifth labress
31:05
did he feel that might be the case
31:07
coming into this season or did it feel a
31:09
bit different I feel that what my sweet
31:11
spot of God I feel that yeah no I felt
31:14
like every year I feel like I'm gonna do
31:15
good or I wouldn't wouldn't turn up if
31:17
I'm honest if I didn't think I was maybe
31:19
gonna get a Podium I wouldn't turn up so
31:21
no I genuinely believe like every year I
31:24
think especially this year that I was on
31:25
for it and yeah no I felt pretty
31:27
confident I trained really hard
31:28
everything was good we had new tires
31:30
it's Continental so yeah I was pretty
31:33
stoked for a pretty like confident I
31:35
guess Jack do you feel the same do you
31:37
feel coming into the same mentality the
31:40
target isn't Podium obviously my my
31:42
target is if if I was going into a
31:45
season thinking oh I'm on a good day I'm
31:48
not going to be pushing top 20 then then
31:50
yeah I would start doing something else
31:52
um or go into more of a purely
31:54
management coaching role but yeah
31:56
exactly the same mentality if you go
31:58
into it thinking yeah I've got a good
32:00
off season it's gonna feel good yeah
32:01
exactly otherwise you're as a racer you
32:03
just want to enjoy it so there's no more
32:05
stuck yeah you've got to feel good about
32:06
yourself and like you know I guess
32:08
you're going to achieve what you want to
32:09
achieve or you're going to achieve like
32:11
I've put this work in if I don't achieve
32:14
this it's not worth it so you've got to
32:15
feel like yeah the work is worth it so
32:18
early 30s isn't old by any stretch do
32:21
you think we're kind of writing off
32:22
Riders a bit too soon nowadays or is it
32:24
I do I don't think anyone's writing us
32:27
off that maybe but I don't know
32:28
everyone's on such good bikes now like
32:30
it's 10 15 years ago someone could be on
32:32
a bike twice as good as someone else and
32:34
we have great equipment but everyone has
32:36
pretty good equipment now it's pretty
32:38
you're fighting for tents rather than
32:40
fighting for like five seconds against a
32:42
lot of people so I think we have that
32:44
that's cool maybe it's easier because
32:46
we're going smoother with nice
32:47
suspension these days than the old [ __ ]
32:49
everyone used to have
32:51
but nah yeah I think if you want you've
32:54
got years left in it but I've done 15
32:56
World Cup Seasons now so it's quite a
32:58
few yeah you beat me now you're 15 I got
33:01
14.
33:06
um so before we run through
33:08
um your whole season let's start with
33:10
the important bits so tell us a bit of
33:12
story about Timbers how'd it come about
33:14
team bus was we needed to get rid of the
33:16
truck because the truck was going old
33:18
and stuff and
33:20
I looked at the option of like a real
33:22
big either like an Arctic like a lot of
33:24
teams have they're a huge hassle they
33:25
have to get tested all the time etc etc
33:27
or just another big rigid but everyone
33:30
has a truck and I was like how can they
33:32
be different how can we stand out have
33:33
something cooler and Ollie's friend said
33:37
Ollie Wilkinson works on these school
33:39
buses in the UK he's like a primer on
33:41
them
33:42
we kind of thought about it and I like
33:44
came up with the idea and then I was
33:46
like I don't know then my brother Boris
33:47
was like no I think it's a good idea and
33:48
he kind of like backed my idea of it he
33:50
like gave me confidence in my like you
33:53
know I could maybe do this what do you
33:54
think because before I actually got the
33:56
first track I was trying to buy a double
33:57
decker bus that was my idea for my first
33:59
team track was a double decker bus to be
34:01
different but they're too high for
34:02
Europe everything has to be four or 4.2
34:04
meters in Europe it can't be higher or
34:06
you've got such a headache on your hands
34:08
you'll get grounded in Germany in all
34:09
sorts which I've learned along the way
34:11
I've learned a lot about a lot about
34:13
tracking but um so I originally wanted
34:16
that couldn't got the track and then I
34:17
kind of came back to study of a school
34:19
bus and trying to save money as well
34:22
like if you buy a rigid and do it well
34:23
you're looking at like 120 150 Grand
34:26
it's like not a cheap thing to go from
34:27
scratch and I wanted to go from scratch
34:29
so it was how we wanted it so kind of
34:32
did that then we're at Snowshoe there
34:34
was some there jumped on one of the
34:36
shuttle Vehicles there I was like yeah
34:37
this thing's rad so talk to the guy in
34:39
the UK actually before that in the
34:41
middle of summer last year so June or
34:43
July before Hardline we went and viewed
34:45
the guy that builds them in the UK
34:47
and then yeah the day after Snowshoe we
34:50
drove from snowshoed like Philadelphia
34:53
basically we drove like eight hours from
34:55
the race last year Tess drove this one
34:57
bus that my brother found online and um
35:00
was like yeah this is the one let's get
35:01
it bought it like two weeks later
35:04
shipped her over excellent yeah that's
35:07
cool
35:08
um yeah I really enjoyed to be in the
35:10
bus this is like very it's cool everyone
35:12
loves it everyone that comes like to the
35:14
team they are like oh yeah let's see the
35:16
bus so yeah I think you had a pretty
35:18
great idea there
35:20
um so yeah running through your season
35:22
uh first one in Lords
35:26
um yeah you see the 33rd yeah
35:29
and then I think he had a bit of trouble
35:32
on on in uh in seating but then
35:35
um you had a good good final until you
35:37
had that mechanical that um was a bit
35:40
annoying yeah like I spoke to the tip or
35:43
something like something you control the
35:45
20th was not the worst result
35:47
considering a mechanical no it was a
35:49
weird one laws I think everyone
35:50
struggled to get into it I had so much
35:52
to get rid of the bus and everything and
35:54
then I think practice was so weird jack
35:56
will know as well and you were there and
35:57
we need to see it like how you waited an
36:00
hour and a half two hours between each
36:01
run yeah I don't think it would normally
36:03
get to be I just struggled to get into
36:05
it I was just I couldn't find the race
36:07
paste I know I had I had the fitness I
36:09
had the race Pace I really struggled I
36:11
think in time practice to like go quick
36:13
and then even the race I was just like
36:15
in qualifying I was like I don't know
36:16
came 33rd and I was like what am I doing
36:18
and then really worked out race day
36:21
morning I was like right we're on we've
36:22
got to go quick
36:23
felt night and day difference and then
36:25
yeah got a slow flat like halfway down
36:27
because the spray went through the rim
36:28
tape and yeah everyone's like oh your
36:29
splits were kind of okay though like
36:30
whatever and I'm like no no I'm on Pace
36:33
right now and like the bottom third of
36:35
the track that was like my best sector
36:36
all week and I know I felt good there so
36:39
yeah 20th I was pretty gutted but I was
36:41
like I know I'm going quick this year so
36:43
you're like a bit annoyed but you know
36:45
you're on speed so it was a weird start
36:46
for sure yeah then you you didn't go to
36:49
Fort William Nash National George is
36:52
written in the skip any reason why and I
36:54
laughed I laughed a lot about that
36:56
because I know how you love you love
36:58
that track
37:00
you went you went in practice right with
37:02
with your mechanic you went and did a
37:04
couple of runs there yeah but the
37:06
Nationals are tough one though man it's
37:08
so far so much money you're probably not
37:10
going to Road much I think half the time
37:12
of being between me and Emily probably
37:13
Jack as well it's been canceled
37:16
you have to walk walk up to like the
37:20
motorway to do it because they're gonna
37:21
like couldn't work yeah yeah so I I know
37:24
why you wouldn't go but you went despite
37:27
your love for this rough track and I
37:30
think it paid off in Fort William
37:31
because you you see that fifth was
37:34
probably your best result there ever
37:35
right best qualifying yeah it was my
37:38
best qualifying today even I think
37:39
really I got fourth in time practical
37:42
whatever it suited to be at World Champs
37:44
but otherwise yeah it was my best
37:45
qualifying ever yeah and then obviously
37:47
you had
37:48
um something with your bash guard in the
37:50
the rate so you can pedal the last
37:52
sector if you finish six things so
37:55
obviously two races and kind of two
37:58
different like kind of weird Mechanicals
38:01
like unlucky Mechanicals we'll say
38:03
um is it kind of hard as a team manager
38:05
as well like to have the key kind of
38:08
keep this mechanical quiet as well
38:09
because obviously you you're a racer but
38:12
then yeah yeah no because like the Fort
38:14
William one was my fault I like know
38:16
where I did I kind of just like went too
38:18
far for rock like pushing and just snap
38:20
the chain device off it like jammed the
38:21
cranks for a bit so I tried to ped on it
38:23
like jam Jam got them back around like
38:26
right the cranks around don't pedal just
38:28
nurse this sucker home like you can hit
38:30
it good so I just didn't pedal the rest
38:32
it was jammed and then the motorware
38:33
cased one jump which was just [ __ ]
38:36
riding cost myself so much time and lost
38:39
time here lost time there like I should
38:40
have been able to get a top ten still
38:41
really if I'd hit the mode to another
38:43
that's good but yeah and then finish
38:45
without the chain device so I actually
38:46
could have peddled but at the time I
38:47
thought it was still on jammed but yeah
38:50
it was just my fault I just smashed it
38:51
in a rock it jammed and then came off
38:53
somewhere so yeah you could say you've
38:56
got to keep it quiet but it's not like a
38:57
faulty product or a bike thing that was
38:59
just me landing on a rock so that was
39:01
kind of my fault in that one just
39:03
annoying to come to 16th
39:05
so after that though again I know that's
39:07
we all know the track that you love and
39:09
especially now with a new part at the
39:11
bottom
39:12
um I can't really remember I think you
39:14
crashed in seating as well because
39:16
you're like 101st so yeah I crashed in
39:18
the stumps and seating oh yeah true true
39:20
because you're like just split so like
39:23
probably like around normally and the
39:26
topic is not the best part yeah and then
39:28
in the race well I I remember that you
39:30
were on the top 10 like top 10 splits in
39:33
the bottom obviously your better section
39:35
and then you crashed yeah just split out
39:37
just silly mistake which I was so mad I
39:39
had two silly mistakes
39:41
don't know why if I put too much
39:42
pressure myself or I knew I could do a
39:44
Podium there and I was like you know too
39:45
excited maybe or
39:47
I think I don't even know I think I went
39:49
too slow like tried to write save and
39:50
then yeah just overthinking it writing
39:53
not like I should overthinking it maybe
39:54
and yeah Leo gang was big gang was the
39:57
worst yeah I know I know because I know
40:00
how much you love this track and how you
40:02
can do well in practice you looked
40:03
amazing and then you could see in the
40:06
run that you were like maybe didn't
40:08
really know how much you were wanted to
40:10
push or not and yeah I think maybe it's
40:12
still like dialing in the new tires and
40:13
riding everything and just trying to
40:15
learn like who knows when I look back
40:17
and I still don't even know like why I
40:18
crashed it was so stupid I got through
40:20
like the hard bits did this did that and
40:21
then yeah that's like an easy bit on
40:23
near the entry of the words and then
40:25
right at the end
40:26
which was cheap yeah so at this point to
40:29
like 22nd and evil so you're not
40:31
protected still which is also a nature
40:35
um and after that it seemed like kind of
40:39
like the turning point of your season
40:40
result wise at least maybe not riding
40:43
wise but like result wise because you in
40:45
anxiety you seated 15s and finish top 10
40:48
like with the ninth place and then you
40:50
kept it going in well not as well with
40:52
like a nice seating finished proteins I
40:54
know you had a huge crash in valenord as
40:56
well two huge crashes so it was not the
41:00
best weekend behind the scenes but you
41:02
still kept it like yeah I think Pandora
41:05
for me like I was really stoked to lenza
41:08
height I was 0.7 off the podium and then
41:09
to hide but like that was so is everyone
41:12
it was such a tight track whatever so I
41:14
went into Andorra been like I can kill
41:16
this I had a huge crash before
41:17
qualifying qualified ninth you know and
41:20
was like oh well sick like I can do good
41:22
here and then just write a little bit
41:24
safe my run had a good one but again it
41:26
was times are so tight I think I was one
41:28
point something off the pony when I was
41:29
gutted that 14th for me wasn't worth it
41:33
I remember saying to Emma I was like
41:35
yeah this this result getting 14th here
41:37
for the sacrifice is not worth it like I
41:40
was so mad at getting 14 there I was
41:42
like for all the time you put in the off
41:43
season and things I don't do when I want
41:46
to go around Motocross so I want to go
41:47
do this or I want to go see my friends I
41:49
remember saying I was like this is not
41:52
worth it the 14th so I think that kind
41:54
of helped after that I was like I need
41:55
to do better than this this is [ __ ] I
41:58
was so mad at that 14th which seems like
42:00
a good result I think after I got ninth
42:03
to knowing that run wasn't the best
42:05
yeah yeah it was a weird one Andorra but
42:07
yeah definitely started to go the right
42:09
way do you have a favorite type of track
42:11
because we'll get onto Hardline in a bit
42:13
but doing well somewhere at Andorra
42:15
that's completely I always love Andorra
42:17
it was a new weird track like yeah I
42:19
actually didn't really like the top
42:20
section it was super hard to know if you
42:22
were going quick like samrands you know
42:24
you're like oh I think I hit that quick
42:25
then or I'd look my GoPro and I'd be a
42:27
second quicker through it and it felt
42:29
worse like really hard to judge the top
42:31
section there because it was this big
42:33
sweepy open so after that it was pretty
42:35
cool it was pretty one line and just
42:37
hanging on so it's hard to pull time but
42:39
favorite track normally yeah just the
42:42
harder it is I normally do good so if
42:44
it's more technical more it's not just
42:45
one line like Andorra was just hanging
42:47
on and bombing yeah just hang on go as
42:49
fast as you can hope for the best carry
42:51
speed yeah it was it was kind of like a
42:53
Mindless track like there was a bit of
42:55
techy stuff at the bottom that I was
42:56
good on in quality that I was shooting
42:58
in the race because I tried the red safe
43:00
a bit which was stupid but yeah
43:02
otherwise yeah that's not normally my
43:04
favorite just hanging on like Leo gang
43:06
is real technical you've got to ride
43:07
smart or have good exit to the towns at
43:10
the top so my favorite track to just be
43:12
like the harder more technical ones but
43:14
I guess Snowshoe is a pretty technical
43:16
track but obviously it's kind of flatter
43:19
so it's a little bit different but
43:20
Carrie speed is a huge aspect so I guess
43:24
um it would have been also one of the
43:26
aspects that suited you this time
43:27
because you could like really see how
43:29
your characters be cool stuff obviously
43:30
big mistakes and you're still in your
43:32
your room where you got second but like
43:34
almost going under the bars there you
43:36
got me screaming from the screen
43:40
yeah yeah but um yeah did you feel like
43:43
you're writing any differently at this
43:45
point of the Season or no this element
43:48
of now and never no not at all I think
43:51
like I had some Evike shoot on the
43:52
Monday in mosine I had to fly out Sunday
43:55
nights like so the whole team flew out
43:58
to Snowshoe from Geneva on Sunday
44:00
Saturday or Sunday like I dropped them
44:02
at the airport and they all flew out
44:04
well I had to go up to Morrison for two
44:05
days and do an e-bike shoot so I
44:07
actually was in mooreseen on the Monday
44:09
of the Snowshoe race doing an e-bike
44:11
shoot flew home I think Monday night and
44:13
then flew out Tuesday maybe but
44:15
Wednesday Tuesday I flew out to Snowshoe
44:17
so I kind of had this [ __ ]
44:19
definitely not the best situation we've
44:21
got to make the best of it make it
44:23
happen and yeah it was not ideal but
44:24
like pivot needed it down I'd kind of
44:26
like it was a mess up so I had to get
44:28
this e-bike photo shoot down
44:29
and um yeah I don't know just with that
44:32
and then the rain like I'd never been a
44:33
fan of Snowshoe from the first time he
44:35
went but I was like right you got to
44:36
turn this around if it's wet it's gonna
44:38
be super hard let's go like I'll I'll go
44:41
hard the weather is it's gonna suck
44:42
everyone's gonna hate it I don't know
44:44
why that week I just had this attitude
44:45
that like
44:46
kind of everything's against me if the
44:48
track's harder that's that's not against
44:49
me that's me I'll be good so I think
44:51
going in knowing what's gonna be where I
44:53
like flew there with a good attitude
44:55
yeah that's cool I mean from from we
44:57
could see on the screen you had one big
45:00
moment but like I guess like you knew
45:03
that we could see in the Finish from a
45:06
reaction when Anne-Marie like won 4.4
45:08
like you could see that your run wasn't
45:10
perfect though so do you have a lot of
45:12
other moments for your mistakes or it
45:14
was just that one just uh just above
45:17
that I like stalled out probably lost
45:18
like half a second a second on one bit
45:21
pretty good like I was a bit certain top
45:23
first practice run of the day I crashed
45:25
into a tree it was my only crash and
45:26
Snowshoe well I kind of went off track
45:28
one other time in that yes they're my
45:31
only two times were a crash or off track
45:32
with that morning so like the fourth
45:34
turn in the morning I crashed into a
45:36
tree snapped the lever like 15 seconds
45:38
in so I did one practice right on the
45:40
race day
45:41
so I did one run I blew off the track
45:43
where I got sketchy in my round that you
45:45
all saw pushed back up wrote it got
45:47
through it kind of fine but yeah I
45:49
needed one practice run on the race day
45:51
and then the realm was pretty dialed
45:53
like that bit was a bit slow I lost some
45:56
speed but then I YOLO through the next
45:57
bit so I hit that really good and then I
46:00
was slow on like just before the exit of
46:03
the woods I drifted a bit low just
46:05
before you come onto that straight like
46:06
flat Sprint I think even just without
46:09
that one tiny mistake I had the point
46:10
for but you can't even see it like
46:12
Elliot saw it on the camera and like
46:13
people that knows see I slowed down a
46:15
bit and I drift I get like a little bit
46:17
stood up on the like kind of right Rocky
46:19
right-hander it still looked good but
46:21
before that you drop into the left and
46:23
the flat screen I lost a bit there but
46:26
yeah I don't know overall it was
46:28
obviously a really a solid round in the
46:30
conditions but yeah I lost 0.4 too much
46:37
so tell us a little bit about the Dream
46:39
Crusher what's it like sitting in the
46:42
hot seat and there's one Rider between
46:44
you and your first World Cup win and you
46:46
know it's um
46:51
at the top I wasn't even that nervous I
46:53
thought he was going to get it 100 so I
46:56
definitely thought he was going to get
46:57
it like I said I will win for sure so
46:59
whatever like it's pretty cool yeah and
47:01
then he was at 1.8 back so I was like
47:03
what I've smoked in there and then it
47:05
turns out he smoked me somewhere else
47:06
but and then Andy kob's like you've got
47:08
it you've got it and I was like honestly
47:09
I don't think I do because you're saying
47:11
it like I really even like reverse
47:13
psychology and like weird [ __ ] like
47:15
you're saying I've got it too much it
47:16
isn't gonna [ __ ] happen now let's
47:17
shut the [ __ ] up Andy
47:19
and I'm like whoa and then you started
47:22
playing it back I tell you it's not
47:24
gonna happen and I was like [ __ ] it
47:25
might no it won't and you just like did
47:27
I it was like a drink but it wasn't I
47:29
was like didn't really ever think I was
47:31
gonna get it like well I don't know it
47:33
just kind of was all a blur at the end
47:34
because I was like it's hard to explain
47:36
I was so so I've only come across into
47:38
the hot seat in my life a few times like
47:40
three or four times maybe ever yeah like
47:42
very rarely I'll come across into the
47:44
hot seat ever
47:45
even when I Podium I haven't you know
47:47
before yeah so I think that was so big
47:50
for me that I knew I'd got top three
47:51
then it was like yeah yeah it was
47:53
afterwards I think it got a bit annoying
47:55
because I was like geez I've had such a
47:57
good day but it was almost like the best
47:59
day yeah that was more than everyone's
48:01
like oh well done mate it was it was fit
48:03
you'd had people telling me well done or
48:06
oh mate almost even for me that's how I
48:09
felt and like everyone that came through
48:11
to congratulate me or whatever they were
48:12
either like dude so close or well done
48:15
it was such a split like decision of
48:17
what people would say to me yeah so yeah
48:19
it was a weird one in this hot sea and
48:22
everything I guess it was a weird even
48:23
now looking back it's a weird date you
48:24
almost want to be like so stoked but
48:27
it's like oh [ __ ] almost yeah okay so to
48:30
run through it and then I'm gonna change
48:32
the question afterwards because you've
48:34
just answered whether you were ecstatic
48:35
or whether you were pissed or not at the
48:37
time
48:38
um he lost 2.4 seconds to you in sector
48:41
two
48:42
so you were up at the end of sector
48:44
three and then sector four he did what
48:46
he did and it sounds like you also made
48:48
that mistake
48:50
um I think that was on that tight right
48:51
hand I wasn't it yeah exactly yeah yeah
48:53
so 0.7
48:56
um and then in the last sector as you
48:58
just said 0.4 so I'll I'll turn the
49:00
question now into how do you feel about
49:02
it now looking back on the weekend the
49:04
are you related that you got a second
49:06
place or are you are you sat there no I
49:08
can't you can't do anything I'm trying
49:10
to learn to live like you can't be mad
49:11
at mistakes like whatever they happen so
49:13
yeah I'm stoked it like have the season
49:16
helped me do the season I did so yeah
49:18
I'm stoked I guess it's still like yeah
49:20
frustrating when I think about it but
49:22
yeah now it's sick it was cool like
49:23
everyone was there my brother was there
49:25
Emily like team trainer like a lot of
49:28
people there at least this girl like
49:29
lady from pivot that's been with them
49:30
for so long and I've known so there was
49:32
a lot of cool people there that have
49:33
like been for a lot of the journey so it
49:36
was sick to like seeing I was like you
49:38
don't do it for you there's a huge team
49:39
behind like everything you do as a rider
49:42
and
49:42
it's crazy how many people help you get
49:45
that result and so many people were
49:47
there so you're like it's cool feeling
49:48
like to almost have done it for them as
49:50
well you're like [ __ ] yeah we've
49:51
achieved this it really is we like not
49:53
even trying to be nice it's such a sick
49:55
feeling like yo look how many people you
49:56
can make Stoke by riding a bike down a
49:58
hill fast so that was pretty cool
50:01
actually so yeah no still pretty happy
50:02
about it awesome did you guys have a
50:05
good party that evening or yeah we were
50:07
like went back the house jumped in the
50:08
hot tub I was still like all my kit and
50:10
everything which is pretty nice we
50:12
haven't hung out a Conti like Conti
50:13
tires had like a pizza by they ordered a
50:15
load of Pizza in just everyone's had
50:17
beers and hung out there so it was
50:18
pretty sure but pretty sick actually it
50:19
was cool nice so then obviously we moved
50:22
the party back into Canada for months
50:23
and um seeded Fifth and finished fifth
50:25
after Snowshoe was that some was that a
50:27
result you were happy with yeah I wanted
50:29
to stay wet I knew the rough room
50:31
quicker it got I would find it a bit
50:32
harder when it's Technical and hard when
50:33
it's wet like day one time practice I
50:36
think I won like three seconds that's
50:37
that Ruan and I didn't even have a good
50:39
run man I'd had like a tough day I'd
50:41
like got a flat sliced a tire in a rock
50:43
and then I was like I'll just put a good
50:45
time in it wasn't honestly even that
50:46
good and was three seconds up on
50:48
everyone I was like we were on I was
50:50
like if you need to stay wet if it can
50:51
stay wet I might do this and all because
50:53
they're the only people I'm worried
50:55
about was Emery and Finn yeah I was like
50:57
Phil looks good but if it stays wet you
50:58
know I think I can get him if he stays
51:00
wet and it started drying and drying and
51:02
drying so I was like [ __ ] like it's
51:03
gonna be tough so yeah I was so happy
51:05
with fit like I was good when I came
51:07
across the line in third I was like
51:08
Jesus Christ like I've come across in
51:10
third and I'll call you fifth it's just
51:11
not my day but then someone Emery
51:15
crashed and yeah yeah it was cool so
51:19
yeah I was stoked to get fit that I was
51:21
super happy with fifth there probably
51:23
almost happier at the time in the second
51:24
on the podium because I was like yeah
51:26
two weeks in a row it was pretty cool
51:28
and for Finn like I was happier for Finn
51:31
and myself it was a cool day yeah
51:33
definitely it was really cool to see so
51:35
that left us coming into valve assault
51:37
with you seventh in the overall 623
51:39
points
51:41
um the same as Greg and 8 and then there
51:43
were five of you really fighting for
51:45
fifth cob Danny Minar and coolange how
51:49
did you approach Valdosta
51:51
I thought going into it maybe I was
51:52
going to worry about the overall and
51:53
because Red Bull came around and got
51:55
interviews with everyone that could get
51:57
third like if I'd killed it and Loris
51:59
had done bad now this I could have got
52:01
third knee overall that day right okay
52:03
they interviewed everyone I think five
52:04
or six of us that could have got third
52:06
in the overall so yeah it was kind of
52:08
cool the rebel stuff and I like all the
52:09
added pressure and like you know if Red
52:11
Bull are filming you it's for a reason
52:13
or like if they come by or they're
52:15
filming you warm up you're like oh I
52:16
must be looking good on track or
52:17
something so I don't know I just went
52:19
through the week like I'm gonna do good
52:21
about a size it's my last I did [ __ ]
52:23
World Champs I was gutted with that like
52:25
had two big crashes there I was like
52:27
right that assault's the one and I was
52:28
like I'm getting a crystal trophy
52:30
because there used to be like these cool
52:32
Crystal trophies
52:33
and I fully believed I could I guess I
52:36
was like I'm gonna have to get lucky to
52:38
get top three
52:39
but fifth I've I've got this I've got a
52:41
beat collage and I was like I've got to
52:44
be Andy but he was going too good yeah I
52:46
think I had to be Andy and collage but
52:48
luckily obviously Laurie crashed for me
52:49
but um yeah I don't know I've just went
52:52
in like I was gonna do good at race I
52:54
knew I was feeling strong and I was just
52:55
gonna go hard okay so yeah so to follow
52:59
that up at the summary you see the 20th
53:01
and then fifth in the race Lori as
53:03
you've just said big crash dropped him
53:06
to sixth in the overall call about his
53:08
incredible result with his second place
53:10
pushed him to Fourth and you got your
53:11
fifth in the overall so tell us a bit
53:14
about what that means after the the
53:15
years of graft you've put in yeah it was
53:17
kind of funny yeah like if you say I
53:18
qualified 20s I had it over the bars in
53:20
my run I just had a smallest crash like
53:22
well I just want to slow down to a big
53:24
crash like I had a full over the handle
53:25
whilst got back up rolled down the neck
53:27
straight straightened my seat then
53:29
cruise down the rest of the track and
53:30
qualify 20th and I was like Jesus like I
53:32
must be going pretty quick so you've got
53:34
to stay on the headspace of that and
53:36
Emily's got a real cool video of me just
53:38
before I got my and it's real funny
53:40
watching it back because someone else
53:43
said this to me you never know what's
53:44
going to happen like like you're just
53:45
there in the morning and like in the
53:47
evening like whoa I didn't know all this
53:48
was going to happen today yeah and look
53:49
at that video she's got just as I'm
53:51
pedaling up my round she's like boy's
53:52
gonna light it up and I really like that
53:54
video because I'm like [ __ ] I didn't
53:55
know how I was gonna do and then you got
53:57
this run that is in the future now in
54:00
the past it's like sound a bit weird
54:01
saying all this but it's such a cool
54:05
thing to look back on at that video
54:06
before it I'm like oh I didn't know it
54:07
was gonna happen and then yeah the
54:10
overall honesty getting fifth in the
54:11
overall for me was the highlight of the
54:13
it was better than the second honestly
54:14
that in the second place getting fit in
54:16
the overalls like I like sometimes think
54:18
about that now I'm like oh the year was
54:19
good I got fifth in the overall probably
54:22
the trophy is just over there somewhere
54:24
just chilling on the windowsill so a
54:26
little second place on its own wouldn't
54:28
have wouldn't have stood for anything in
54:29
the overall the fifth and the overall
54:31
proves that you were there all season
54:32
buying the results yeah for me the fifth
54:34
was like honestly so so hyped when I
54:37
realized because you don't know you're
54:38
trying to maths and points and then it
54:40
comes up on the screen and yeah the
54:42
fifth in the series is probably the best
54:44
bit which is it does make it worth it
54:46
because I've did a lot of training this
54:47
year right so and like trusting the new
54:50
sponsors we had like we weren't on Conti
54:52
tires before and a few people were like
54:53
are you sure you want to go there
54:54
because they're old tires three years
54:56
ago weren't what they are now yeah and
54:58
it was like a big trust in them and the
54:59
athertons and all their
55:01
development they've put into it so it
55:03
was really cool kind of trusting that in
55:05
the process and seeing it all come
55:07
together I think with them and the team
55:08
and everything I think it's really cool
55:10
I'm really glad that you got it because
55:12
when you look at the other Riders you
55:13
were up against like Minar you know he's
55:16
won it Danny's
55:18
been world champion it's not going to be
55:20
down as their defining moment if you
55:22
know what I mean to you it's really cool
55:24
after all those years of racing seeing
55:27
somebody get it I have to ask did you
55:29
negotiate a decent bonus with the team
55:31
manager
55:33
right geez not really I tell you what I
55:36
could probably say something happens I
55:38
asked for before Snowshoe I would like
55:41
I'll deal with pivot was at the end of
55:42
the year so I actually asked for my um
55:45
like the New Deal before I got second at
55:46
Snowshoe with pivot like the pay rise or
55:49
whatever we're getting and I didn't put
55:51
it up after that but after I got the
55:53
Snowshoe second the owner of pivot put
55:56
my win bonus up I can't remember if it
55:58
was five grand or whatever he said if
55:59
you win I'll give you whatever X more
56:00
didn't have to it wasn't the contract
56:02
yeah he said if you win a World Cup this
56:04
year he's like no when you win or when
56:05
they win a World Cup this year I'm going
56:07
to make your bonus bigger and he just
56:09
did that like send me a text and they're
56:10
like send an email and he's like your
56:11
bonus is this much bigger if you win one
56:13
just because he's a cool guy he's really
56:15
cool I guess to try and maybe fire me up
56:18
that little bit more or whatever but he
56:19
was hyped and
56:20
yeah so the team manager didn't give me
56:23
one but yeah pivot actually offered me a
56:24
bigger bonus if I won after that which
56:26
was pretty cool that's very cool there's
56:28
so much more to chat about we'll have
56:30
more from bernica after these messages
56:32
Megan it's Sasha at Revolution bike park
56:35
it's that time again we're gonna go and
56:36
have a chat to a few people about what
56:38
they think is the best thing about
56:40
Revolution Bike Park
56:41
uh very dusty is it is a good thing but
56:45
um probably the variation attracts from
56:48
uh for beginners or intermediate I
56:51
should say to Advanced you know uh free
56:54
rides um
56:58
Far Side
57:00
new flashlights with it yeah pretty much
57:02
them all yeah
57:04
just a very just a very trials to be
57:07
honest yeah yeah it'd be for everybody
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Instagram at making up the numbers
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racing I think it was either loik or
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Amore who said on the Pod at the start
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of the Season that it's so hard for
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someone like you to compete when you've
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got the Vlog the the team to run and all
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they've got to think about is racing and
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getting ready for racing when you look
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back now is it a distraction do you ever
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think about kind of what you might have
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achieved if you were just racing yes and
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no I could give you a quick example when
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getting it deeper the Vlog thing people
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talk about that and I use it a lot I'll
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watch it back I never would watch GoPro
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back before never I would never use it I
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wouldn't watch anything back or anything
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any like POV and before Val to sell
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finals it was like raining real heavy at
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the top when I went up in the gondola
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and the town Laurie crashed on I watched
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back because that got slick in the
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morning when it rained was it that the
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other day before that was one of the
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slick spots it was there and a line
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further up that I almost crashed on and
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so before my run when I'm warming up on
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the bike I watched my GoPro twice and I
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switched line
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so I've written it the day before in
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that quality dad being outside where
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Laurie crashed and ever had gone to the
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inside everyone had done this new line
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and cut inside and was going where this
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Gap was and I decided before my race run
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that I was going to go back to the
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outside and I think that's where the
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Vlogs this year that definitely helped
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me because Laurie got a little bit stood
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up or slipped or something had his [ __ ]
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crash that you had so I think for once
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the Vlogs helped me there which is
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pretty cool but maybe otherwise honestly
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like I think if I do a good job 90 of
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the time organizing
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before the season starts at working now
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I shouldn't have too much more on in the
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season I definitely have more than a
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normal writer I guess but if I do a good
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job from now till March I should be
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pretty chilled come the season hopefully
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it takes a bit of the pressure off
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maybe yeah and I don't know how the
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writers do they must get bored yeah I
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always think that I honestly don't know
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what they do like I definitely need to
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do less I'm going to try and hire an
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assistant soon because at the minute
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it's a bit ridiculous because like all
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these things we're doing and adding
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another team and Riders and yeah but
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yeah like if I'm so I think in our team
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we all really care about each other's
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results or I hope we do but I get so
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nervous for their race runs and I think
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so stoked like I did [ __ ] at legere but
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Jenna once it was like the sickest Day
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Ever yeah whereas I think yeah if I
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didn't have the team I'd be like I've
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just done [ __ ] as myself today but
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you're like oh today's still great
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because one of our writers Jenna's
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become world champion yeah so yeah maybe
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you're like
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you've got a full back on the other
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Riders yeah come on guys
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today I've done a [ __ ] job so you can do
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a good one for me
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if someone asks you what you do for a
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job what what do you tell them uh what
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would I tell them I do for a job I guess
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I like run a team and a professional so
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I'd say professional cyclist I would say
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it sounds cooler than like mountain
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bikers oh it sounds more professional
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um professional cyclist and a team
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manager I guess team owner yeah yeah I
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guess yeah I'd say Rider team manager
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yeah is it I wouldn't say I'm a YouTuber
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I guess I am now as well vlogger yeah
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vlogger extraordinaire you're known for
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being one of the most stylish Riders
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does that come naturally or do you have
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to work at it the stoppers and all those
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kind of things I worked at it for a
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while like I remember thinking Stevie
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Smith I saw him at Fort William one year
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one of my first years racing World Cups
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he looked so sick and Brendan I hates it
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now because I'm friends with him I'm
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trying to beat him but I always thought
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his style was sick whether he was like
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Landing front without for stuff like Sam
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Hill as well or like scrubbing off and
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Landing nose I always either want to
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land real nose heavy or real rear heavy
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because I think it looks sick and it
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feels good and I always believe like if
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you feel like you look sick you normally
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write good and then it like all works I
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don't know no like I think I did work at
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it yeah I didn't just have style I don't
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think I'm not saying I do now but
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yeah I didn't just go on a bike I was
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like right I want to look good at this
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jumper I want to look good doing this
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thing I think sometimes it's hurt my
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race results
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down the track what can you do
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okay so moving conversation towards uh
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Red Bull hard line three-time winner
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2016 2019 and 2021 is it your favorite
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event yeah I love it it's just a sick
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Vibe with everyone I like I love riding
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bikes I love hitting jumps I love riding
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bikes like that was all I did before was
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hit jumps and then I had to race to like
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I don't know just hit more jumps or
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something so I don't know yeah I always
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really like jump so yeah I love that
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event like the vibe with everyone there
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is sick everyone hangs out
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ride cool jumps and it's just a good
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vibrator yeah I'd say probably one of my
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favorites yeah normally do you think
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World Cup racing should be on tracks
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that have features like the ones at
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Hardline that that scare the hell out of
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the best riders in the world or or do
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you just think after three rounds of the
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series like that we'd be down to 50 of
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the Riders and it'd be just Total
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Carnage no I think we could definitely
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go more that way
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some of it couldn't be that big it would
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take too long to get practice done but
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we do need better job the World Cup
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jumps 98 of the time suck they're either
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built terribly they're way too small
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they don't work like they suck but
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considering we're the best riders in the
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world or whatever you want to say or
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supposed to be at least the tracks and
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some of the jumps we get dealt with it's
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embarrassing I don't know how we don't
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have a standard for it like Supercross a
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triple is this big that's how big a
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triple is it's 65 to 75 foot it's a
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standard you have a roller it's a three
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or a five it's either three foot high or
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five foot high and you have the same
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guys or amazing Crews coming to build it
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not just someone from some random bike
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park not trying to make fun of them but
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a lot of the jumps are terrible and we
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shouldn't be racing them and you see
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over the years a lot of big crashes on
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them from the best riders in the world
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because they're just dangerous yeah so
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not that we need to go to Hardline size
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but we should have bigger thicker jumps
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I think for sure I think that would be
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really good for the sport and personally
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for my fun level
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you cool yes it's interesting to to hear
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your site not your side your your kind
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of opinion there because we've been
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talking quite a bit on the podcast about
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this Riders Union and Riders being
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conscious of safety and nobody's
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actually mentioned that take of having a
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standardization for certain things and
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it would certainly solve a lot of
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problems if if it was like what you've
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just said about Supercross where
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everyone were building a triple it was
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this big if you had a double it was yeah
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a Finish Line jumper a Supercross track
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is a set size normally within like five
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they just that is a Finish Line jump is
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the same size but a lot of people don't
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know that you know yeah but it'd
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obviously harder for them to do because
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we haven't got a throttle so depend on
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approach to whatever feature they were
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building but you're right it'd certainly
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be it'd make more sense if there was
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some kind of thought gone into it rather
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than just a better guys building yeah
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something because yeah I think we have
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more injuries a lot of World Cups on
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jumps and we do it Hardline and Hardline
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jumps are massive yeah yeah so
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so back back to the Hardline jumps um it
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sounds like this year you were kind of
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showing people around
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um you guinea pig the big jumps I mean
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talk us through that feeling when you're
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the one going out to hit that 90 footer
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and you end up going 96. yeah the night
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hindsight yeah I don't know I went up to
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look at it we had so much weather this
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stat and they were debating building a
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line around it and I was so against that
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I rolled off my like
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a little pit bike motorbike and uh
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rolled into it four times the engine off
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and was like I think I got these I'm
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just in my head I was like I'm on called
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GF and the boys at the bottom and
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they're having a paintballing thing I
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was like do you mind if I hit these like
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I don't want to be like because everyone
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was like should we ride should we not
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ride and I was like it's kind of way
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it's kind of all right and we've no one
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could decide which way to go one way or
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the other and I was like guys I can't
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decide then half an hour later I was
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like guys I'm on but I'm not gonna ride
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unless everyone's happy with me I don't
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want to go get extra practicing or feel
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like I've snaked you guys and everyone's
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like no man if you want to go hit them
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hit them and then G was like I'm in and
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then Sam Gail was in and George and I
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was like just in my head I'd already I
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was like I'm rolling into these so I
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like bombed down the road on the
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motorbike got changed I was like all
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right who's coming I'm going now
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and um yeah I don't know it was sick I
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just felt like I could do it the first
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one hit it pretty perfect it was dialed
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second was so hard to judge so hard to
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judge and then they were like oh the
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Queen's just died I'm literally clipping
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in and the Marshall tells me and he's
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like whoa wait the queen I was like what
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and then I wait like 15 seconds I was
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like I'm gonna go now so it was kind of
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like you did put you in a weird spot
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yeah and then hit it went a bit far I
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must have like we were running like
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prototype wheels so like ones were
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testing or like new different like
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subtlenesses and layups and this and
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that and I must have cracked up
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something because the Reynolds wheels
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are amazing that shouldn't have blown up
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and oh yeah they've been amazing and
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haven't so yeah a new prototype wheel
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just went a bit too far and yeah had a
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huge crash that unfortunately broke my
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finger and put a crack in my wrist oh
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Jesus
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it's an ideal well just a broken finger
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is not yeah for how big the crash was I
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got away
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you're pretty lucky on that one yeah
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really lucky so yeah we all know what
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happened like you crash in a race and
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then you really really regret it I know
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you I know how much this even meant to
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you and I knew that yeah and like I
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guess I felt like I missed all the
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Friday practice so I didn't ride the
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next day after my crash I had one
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practice run on Saturday and a
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qualifying run one practice round Sunday
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and then yeah crashed in the race if I
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haven't even watched the race back still
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I can't watch it yet I watched it at
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some point but yeah I haven't even
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watched any of it back or seen it yet so
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too gutted too sad about it because if
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Jackson had done I'm gonna quit if he'd
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done like a 16 or 216 I'm like you know
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what he definitely beat me but I think
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he beat my quality time at one and a
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half two seconds and I was like I wanted
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to do a 16 on race day it was my goal
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and he did yeah 220 or 221 I did a 222
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the day before like kind of chilling so
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I was like oh I can yeah I was pretty
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gutted the top three of us or yeah top
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three of us crashed which was kind of
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annoying because
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yeah he won fair and square we all craft
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we weren't good enough to stay on our
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bikes but I think the time would have
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got quite quick so that was pretty
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annoying for sure let's talk about
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another weekend that didn't really go
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away because you mentioned it before
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worlds World Champs
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um I mean you sit at seven
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um you love this track I think the Jay
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is probably one of the most fun tracks
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everyone would agree about that
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um you ended up 13 and you just seated
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um in front of like so I guess the the
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speed Peters are going to get ready for
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to get yeah there I felt good or weak
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and I was trying to slowly build speed I
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wasn't going to go too quick too early
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because I've done that too many times so
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I was trying to build speed felt great
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and then raced Edge had two huge crashes
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crashed first run halfway down where my
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favorite section of the track and then
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second run whichever way around was
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crashed near the top so
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yeah it's gone like you said our two big
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crashes on race day and then
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I just had I made one mistake in my run
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honestly only one mistake that probably
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cost me a second and the rest I just
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didn't push hard enough because of where
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I'd crashed so I think I was 2.2 off the
1:09:18
podium off third place it was so tight
1:09:20
but yeah I was gutted yeah that sucked
1:09:23
like again getting 13th there was not
1:09:25
worth worth my day I only kept me happy
1:09:28
by Jenna winning that day I was so
1:09:29
gutted with 13 and like I mean everyone
1:09:32
would have been the times was so tight
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so so tight like two I wished I was
1:09:37
hoping for rain there again I was like
1:09:39
if it rains today I'm on like last year
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when it rained I got 16th in the rain
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when a lot of people had dry or everyone
1:09:46
ahead of me had a dry race so yeah yeah
1:09:48
I was hoping for rain didn't happen two
1:09:52
big crashes and then just road too safe
1:09:54
from around just a little bit just real
1:09:56
dialed I had one mistake but other than
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that the Run was super dialed just not
1:09:59
quick enough I was like this sucks so
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yeah Wells definitely didn't go my way
1:10:04
that was like the second worst race of
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the year but Hardline was a lot worse
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yeah I guess um like you said you
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mentioned uh Jenna Hastings got War
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Champion there
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um I was at the top with her so I wasn't
1:10:17
there when she actually got the title
1:10:19
but you were so how much how much did he
1:10:22
did that mean like that moment it was
1:10:24
pretty cool it sucks they raced so early
1:10:26
I think hopefully in future we're gonna
1:10:27
change their race day but it was so cool
1:10:30
and like to see her and her mum and
1:10:32
dinner's quite a tough cookie she
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doesn't cry a lot and see how cry was
1:10:34
pretty cool and like everyone's got
1:10:36
tears their eyes and it was so sick it
1:10:38
was a shame I missed the podium because
1:10:40
I had to go for practice as well which
1:10:42
sucks that I didn't get to go to the
1:10:43
podium but it was Unreal it's like I
1:10:45
don't know I just knew she could I
1:10:47
thought I could do it that day as well
1:10:48
if I'm honest before I crashed I woke up
1:10:50
thinking we might both do this today
1:10:52
genuinely and I knew she could for sure
1:10:56
if she had a good day and I knew I was
1:10:57
feeling it so to see her actually put it
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off was
1:11:01
so rad and so like I don't know I wasn't
1:11:04
even that surprised I was just stoked I
1:11:06
genuinely believe she could with like
1:11:08
you up there I was like right family
1:11:09
gets her in a good place there and they
1:11:10
go up together and they get this I I
1:11:12
genuinely thought it was it was chances
1:11:14
were high but I mean it's different when
1:11:16
you know that someone can do it but it's
1:11:18
actually pulling it off like a first
1:11:19
chance it's pretty it's a pretty yeah I
1:11:23
know I could have done a lot of things
1:11:24
but in the end I just didn't manage yeah
1:11:26
for a first ever one to do it at her
1:11:28
first year her fifth like world race or
1:11:30
whatever it was it's pretty ridiculous
1:11:32
so yeah it was such a cool day and then
1:11:35
we had this burnout bike in the pits and
1:11:37
to see her on that like inner element
1:11:38
being a little kiwi girl she is it was
1:11:40
yeah it was really cool to see it all go
1:11:42
down and a proud moment for me yeah can
1:11:45
I just jump in there can you tell us a
1:11:48
bit about the work that Emmy's done with
1:11:49
Jenna this season
1:11:51
a lot so much I was talking to uh who
1:11:54
was this earlier today about this
1:11:55
someone earlier today
1:11:57
apparently it was Ollie Wilkins actually
1:11:58
I think at the gym just before just
1:12:00
before this about like how for sure
1:12:03
Jenna might have won this year but like
1:12:04
without the team and without Emily
1:12:06
because if she wasn't on a team she
1:12:08
wouldn't have had Emily and I think it's
1:12:10
taken me 15 years to do good really and
1:12:13
Jenna's come out in year one
1:12:15
from the first race gonna work out how
1:12:17
it works and like even work out how
1:12:19
Emily's gonna like talk to her and
1:12:20
Emily's worked out right this isn't
1:12:22
going to work for Jenny you know like
1:12:24
like everyone works differently and like
1:12:26
right okay if we help her with this and
1:12:27
we do it this way or and then Jenna
1:12:29
might be like instead of being a
1:12:31
rebellious young girl she's like okay
1:12:32
maybe I should actually listen to Emily
1:12:33
she's quite good at this yeah it's been
1:12:36
unbelievable seeing it and like now
1:12:37
we're like we've got more support from
1:12:39
the sponsors for next year and like pay
1:12:40
Emily more and like help out more
1:12:42
because I think they've seen the value
1:12:44
having someone and Emily around like her
1:12:47
experience even for me someday she'll be
1:12:49
like I don't know if you should do this
1:12:50
maybe try that or having someone that's
1:12:53
been there done it had the bad days had
1:12:55
the good days and sees what it takes and
1:12:58
sees when they either step in or step
1:13:00
out the way you know like takes a lot to
1:13:02
see
1:13:03
both sides like all they need me right
1:13:04
now they need me to [ __ ] off right now
1:13:06
you know so it's been unbelievable and
1:13:09
it's been so good that our sponsors I
1:13:11
guess have seen that and I've been able
1:13:13
to show them and demonstrate with
1:13:14
General results and in the videos and
1:13:17
everything like how I think important
1:13:19
it's been to everyone's season for
1:13:20
myself I've had to do less because
1:13:23
Emily's been there helping you know so I
1:13:26
think it's taken maybe way off me which
1:13:27
maybe is what I've done good as well
1:13:29
this year so it's like helped me
1:13:31
silently but you know what I mean like
1:13:33
it's silent you wouldn't even realize
1:13:35
that Emily's helped me by helping Jenna
1:13:38
but that's taken like a little piece out
1:13:39
of my way yeah then I'm concentrating
1:13:42
more on this and then Jenna's doing more
1:13:43
of this and then her day's veteran and
1:13:45
everything I know the result didn't go
1:13:47
your way at Worlds but it must have put
1:13:48
you in a good place when you're going up
1:13:50
for practice and your Riders just won
1:13:52
that's why I crashed they went out
1:13:54
swinging
1:13:56
I honestly was raced out as I might I
1:13:59
genuinely think I could do it genuinely
1:14:01
like not a doubt in my mind that if I
1:14:03
had a good day I could do it and I was
1:14:05
like it rains I am I've got this I could
1:14:08
I'm not trying to be cocky I genuinely
1:14:10
believed I did if it rained I was like I
1:14:13
can't wait for rain today and then it
1:14:14
didn't come but I was still like yeah
1:14:16
I'm gonna gonna go yeah I went too hard
1:14:18
in practice probably the fans are
1:14:19
amazing and like since doing a YouTube
1:14:21
like the fan love is it's been insane I
1:14:24
don't I didn't tell anyone at the time
1:14:25
but I saw in the pink bike um the pink
1:14:28
bike pole for like who is going to win
1:14:30
Worlds was Emery and then me like the
1:14:35
pink bike so I've got a screenshot of it
1:14:37
I was like and I was like [ __ ] people
1:14:38
believe in me right now yeah yeah yeah I
1:14:41
was the second most voted writer to win
1:14:42
World Champs and then I think Finn was
1:14:45
in third and then maybe lurk and I was
1:14:47
like geez people really think I'm gonna
1:14:48
do this and it gave me confidence I saw
1:14:51
it like two days before and I checked
1:14:53
his name I was like yeah people think
1:14:54
I've got this i got this so and then
1:14:56
Jenna won and I was like yep we're gonna
1:14:59
do this you know when you went to look
1:15:01
at it did you like kind of like peer
1:15:03
behind like you know like because if it
1:15:06
hadn't been you if you'd have been way
1:15:07
back would it have dented your
1:15:08
confidence because I'm always back so
1:15:10
and I like being the underdog I've
1:15:12
always been the underdog like the guy
1:15:13
that runs the team people I'm like love
1:15:16
hey I think a lot of people don't like
1:15:17
me some people do like I'm definitely
1:15:20
yeah not everyone's person so now I
1:15:22
don't think I had a lot of hate for the
1:15:24
years so I've definitely got over there
1:15:26
with a Supercross thing I did I got so
1:15:27
much hate there really learned to not
1:15:29
care in a cool way so I was surprised
1:15:32
but I was like yeah that's right like
1:15:34
finally I'm one of the guys that people
1:15:36
are like well I quit so I was yeah even
1:15:39
now when I look back see if there's a
1:15:40
smile on my face like well people put me
1:15:42
second behind Henry to win World Champs
1:15:45
which is kind of crazy so obviously
1:15:49
um with me and the team you always have
1:15:50
females on the team since the beginning
1:15:52
I remember the first few movie had was
1:15:54
Michael ghetto and then I jumped in and
1:15:57
uh we talked about Jenna but also Morgan
1:15:59
on endura's side
1:16:01
um lead the women's racing over here
1:16:03
yeah like I guess it was also like it
1:16:06
was a mix between you want to have a
1:16:08
kind of have a balance in the team but
1:16:10
also pivot wanted to have um a female
1:16:12
yeah I think it's awesome I think the
1:16:16
more women that are riding the more men
1:16:18
that ride the more men are I think it's
1:16:19
it's just healthy for our sport it's a
1:16:21
great thing it's cool having you guys
1:16:23
around you level us out you tell me
1:16:24
sometimes to shut up from like your
1:16:25
point of view and you've been living
1:16:27
around it
1:16:31
they're over 50 of their employees are
1:16:34
female and not because they're trying to
1:16:35
fill a quota or anything just because
1:16:37
that's who's best for the jobs or who
1:16:39
they want or who they need so it's just
1:16:41
how it is you know it's not like they've
1:16:44
got some well it's not sustainability
1:16:46
form they need a meat yeah yeah no they
1:16:50
really are just a rad company and they
1:16:52
really believe in like I guess getting
1:16:54
more females into the sport and I don't
1:16:57
know it's just yeah they just get the
1:16:59
people that are right for the job and I
1:17:01
think it's been always I don't know why
1:17:03
we've always had it's just nothing that
1:17:04
just happened it's just been cool to
1:17:06
have one like yeah it's cool and I guess
1:17:09
also from a marketing standpoint your
1:17:11
team is going to be better if you've got
1:17:12
to go on girls you guys are good at
1:17:14
racing and forever we've been able to
1:17:16
buy like we'll pay women less like to
1:17:19
buy top five women is cheaper than to
1:17:21
buy a top five guy you know and if you
1:17:23
want podiums you shouldn't be burners no
1:17:26
I'm just saying
1:17:27
but it's been how it is so if we want
1:17:31
podiums it was cheaper to get a girl to
1:17:34
get podiums and a guy you know and from
1:17:36
a marketing standpoint of me trying to
1:17:38
grow the team and have a great team it's
1:17:40
been a smart way to go I guess yeah a
1:17:42
Smart Way a fun way with Emily a cool
1:17:44
way and I think in term we are helping
1:17:47
between our team and other teams wages
1:17:49
of women's are going up like Morgan's
1:17:51
got such a good deal for next year like
1:17:53
pivot before her day was even up decided
1:17:56
they were going to make her wage this
1:17:58
much bigger no matter how she did this
1:18:00
year just to try and make it fairer and
1:18:03
meet up with the guys wages which is
1:18:04
awesome that they've wanted to do that
1:18:06
and uh I think we're really helping go
1:18:08
forward because girls are all talking to
1:18:10
each other now about their wages and
1:18:12
this and that which I think is good I
1:18:14
think people should talk and I think the
1:18:15
guys should more to get the sport to go
1:18:17
forward and get everyone paid fairer I
1:18:19
think it's a good thing and yeah I think
1:18:21
in our team we're really trying to push
1:18:23
that and help yeah women's racing get
1:18:27
somewhere yeah so like you mentioned
1:18:28
pivot gives you almost complete autonomy
1:18:31
in the team like who you son and
1:18:33
whatever so how what do you look for in
1:18:36
in a writer when you try to sign it it's
1:18:38
hard-working people you've got to work
1:18:40
hard I think
1:18:42
it's got to be
1:18:44
fun obviously you've got to fit our team
1:18:45
like you'll realize like we don't do
1:18:48
stuff like other teams yeah you've got
1:18:49
to work hard and if you have good work
1:18:52
ethic you're going to train hard but
1:18:53
you're also going to have fun and you
1:18:56
could if someone's just winning I mean
1:18:57
if you win every race fair enough that
1:18:59
if someone's doing well
1:19:00
and doing no social media I no interest
1:19:03
like that's you're doing half the job in
1:19:06
my mind if you're just doing social
1:19:07
media and doing terrible you're doing
1:19:09
half the job
1:19:10
so someone that's well-rounded and
1:19:13
yeah one select represent their sponsors
1:19:15
and themselves to the best of their
1:19:16
ability because yeah you can't do a
1:19:19
social media post every day maybe like
1:19:21
if you're not getting paid full time but
1:19:22
otherwise it's pretty easy I think way
1:19:25
too many riders get either too comfy or
1:19:28
too lazy and don't represent their
1:19:30
sponsors well enough so yeah I look for
1:19:32
someone that's hard working and is
1:19:35
willing to put the work in on social
1:19:36
media because I think that's very
1:19:37
important for the brands that pay us all
1:19:40
this money and put all this time and
1:19:41
effort into getting that product so I
1:19:43
think we should do a good job promoting
1:19:45
them and showcasing them so yeah someone
1:19:48
that works hard good on social media and
1:19:50
also tries to get good results so
1:19:52
something we didn't talk about and I'm
1:19:54
looking forward to your answer here
1:19:57
um on the vital part George mentioned on
1:20:00
the top of the show that Johnny said
1:20:02
um that you are one of the least fussy
1:20:04
riders with your bike setup he said it's
1:20:07
Jordy and fox yeah yeah there's a vital
1:20:09
a vital podcast came out a couple of
1:20:12
weeks ago with Jordan and he said you
1:20:14
guys are the least fussy yeah you're the
1:20:17
easiest to set up too easy maybe that's
1:20:19
a bad thing I don't know
1:20:22
I just like riding bikes just want to
1:20:24
get on right I don't want to worry
1:20:26
yeah
1:20:29
find a Baseline and then you just go
1:20:32
with it yeah just don't know set up
1:20:34
feels good we're on maybe make a couple
1:20:36
of days
1:20:38
maybe I can feel it maybe not I don't
1:20:40
know I just I know that for a fact
1:20:42
because I've seen it the whole year yeah
1:20:45
I've changed it
1:20:47
I went down two PSI at Snowshoe and did
1:20:51
we put two clicks on or two off I think
1:20:53
I can't remember which way it was
1:20:55
maybe we did a click in the shock and
1:20:57
that was no that was about ourselves
1:20:59
yeah so we did that a snowshoe that's
1:21:00
all I've done all year to then to First
1:21:02
change of Snowshoe I'm pretty sure and
1:21:05
then I ran that for the rest of the year
1:21:06
and we changed my shock uh without a
1:21:09
soul did I change the fork of that maybe
1:21:11
I put uh new new bike maybe on that
1:21:14
without a soul I put uh spacer and a
1:21:17
fork because the track was ruined it was
1:21:19
such big holes so we put a spacer in the
1:21:21
fork I think I've come off went harder
1:21:24
on the shotgun maybe I don't remember
1:21:26
that's all I did oh yes I did like four
1:21:27
changes oh yeah
1:21:29
at two races that was it yeah so super
1:21:32
easy I don't know bike feels good feel
1:21:33
confident let's go like
1:21:36
I probably should do more but I like not
1:21:38
worrying because then you're just
1:21:38
concentrating at the task at hand yeah
1:21:40
but question off the back of that
1:21:43
because I'm I'm very similar to yourself
1:21:44
like if it feels good I'll just get on
1:21:47
and ride it and I tend not to overthink
1:21:49
it and I also kind of have the
1:21:51
philosophy that like as you say you
1:21:53
didn't change your bike until you got to
1:21:54
Snowshoe well a lot of the tracks we
1:21:56
ride are fast and rough so what changes
1:21:59
so in the circuit now everybody's got
1:22:02
these data acquisition things and people
1:22:05
are clicking here and changing there
1:22:06
what what's your take on it do you think
1:22:08
they're almost just making a bit more
1:22:09
trouble than I think yeah a lot of the
1:22:12
time like I I don't have any idea how to
1:22:14
read it neither any of neither do any of
1:22:16
our mechanics right now so if you get
1:22:18
Telemetry and it says you're bottoming
1:22:19
out five times in a run is that good or
1:22:21
bad I don't know do you want to put them
1:22:23
out three times five times one time half
1:22:25
I have no idea yeah I believe personally
1:22:28
you'd have to do so many runs on this
1:22:31
one track so many rounds on this track
1:22:33
to get based on them but right I was
1:22:35
actually now half can quicker through
1:22:36
that because I bombed out twice instead
1:22:38
of one so whatever it is I think it
1:22:40
could be really good but you would need
1:22:42
I need to start tomorrow until March I
1:22:45
think yeah and I should probably do that
1:22:48
but at the same time I do want to live
1:22:49
my life and enjoy dirt jumping and
1:22:51
Motocross a little
1:22:52
but it would be nice to win some races
1:22:54
but maybe yeah with lurk and that they
1:22:55
go so hard on it and they go so hard in
1:22:57
Queenstown when New Zealand wasn't shut
1:22:59
but it could be good yeah but I've got
1:23:01
better being like I can't push in the
1:23:03
front this week maybe I can make this
1:23:04
better because I always used to just be
1:23:06
like Oh I'm pushing the front because
1:23:07
it's loose and Rocky obviously you're
1:23:08
going to push the front and to a certain
1:23:10
extent you are going to push the front
1:23:11
if it's dry and Dusty and Rocky like
1:23:13
your suspension isn't going to suddenly
1:23:15
make the gravel grippy yeah but it could
1:23:17
make you more planted through this or
1:23:19
you're breaking better or it can help
1:23:21
obviously loads but I think we have it
1:23:24
set up so good out the gate and like our
1:23:25
bike works good Fox is amazing
1:23:28
suspension it's going to be great
1:23:29
straight away yeah they're also going to
1:23:31
know what other people are running so
1:23:33
they're not going to have you in there
1:23:34
and go ah let's put you on something
1:23:35
completely different to what no
1:23:38
testing down they're like here's your
1:23:39
new damper everyone starts here how do
1:23:42
you feel two clicks feels good see you
1:23:44
in a bit it's basically that you know
1:23:45
yeah so no I think people can definitely
1:23:48
start chasing chasing rabbit down a hole
1:23:51
yeah something we've seen with the the
1:23:53
data that Dan's used is that whenever
1:23:55
he's put it on it's told him to make
1:23:58
everything softer and less Progressive
1:24:00
yeah because he's chilling in practice
1:24:02
and then you're going to push much
1:24:04
harder in either a Time run or as you
1:24:06
get closer towards your end pace and
1:24:08
then all of a sudden You've Lost That
1:24:10
support and you're going to push through
1:24:11
and the progression's gone so yeah I
1:24:13
think you're dead Riot obviously if it's
1:24:15
done right like and Jack do it's of
1:24:18
course a tool that is going to help done
1:24:20
wrong I think it just creates more
1:24:22
problems in his work yeah I think it
1:24:23
really it takes years to learn it
1:24:25
properly and know like what's achieving
1:24:27
what I think so yeah it would be cool I
1:24:29
think I'm almost too late at my career
1:24:31
now
1:24:32
I could we might try honestly we might
1:24:35
but it's a big it's a big commitment
1:24:37
money time everything wise you're losing
1:24:39
you're not losing your off season but
1:24:41
that becomes your off season I think
1:24:42
that is now what you do until the season
1:24:44
okay so we'll see but when I go to New
1:24:46
Zealand maybe we'll start trying it so
1:24:48
back to the team
1:24:49
um huge characters on there obviously
1:24:52
um are you conscious about that when you
1:24:54
sign New Riders yeah like I said you
1:24:56
just want yeah I guess they're pretty
1:24:58
much my friends pivot are really cool
1:24:59
they let me can't is I go to Chris and
1:25:01
Rachel and everything hey guys I think
1:25:03
this guy's a great fit for pivot and the
1:25:04
team what do you think like yes or no
1:25:06
and they pretty much say yes and I try
1:25:08
and convince them that it's a good idea
1:25:10
for the team and their brand so yeah we
1:25:13
just want hard working people that have
1:25:14
good social media and good results and
1:25:15
that pretty much fits everyone we have
1:25:16
on the team okay so a little question
1:25:20
um if you were keeping the team with
1:25:22
everybody on it now but you were to add
1:25:25
one person you could add anyone who
1:25:27
would it be anyone well we are actually
1:25:29
having someone so he's going to be quite
1:25:31
sick but anyone we've got unlimited
1:25:34
budget that's a team room with a pivot
1:25:36
getting a mail or another male Rider oh
1:25:38
this is this the one you knew Emma that
1:25:40
you couldn't tell me right okay she's
1:25:43
not telling you low
1:25:44
she's drip reading too much
1:25:48
way too much
1:25:50
um anyone we got Limitless budget yeah
1:25:54
Jack Moyer I'm gonna go straight in now
1:25:57
I need to go I'll go coniferon because
1:25:59
he's like my best mate riding but I
1:26:01
think he's got a sick thing with Matty I
1:26:03
would feel too bad stealing him off
1:26:04
Matty I feel guilty there so that's why
1:26:07
I wouldn't get Connor I'd never steal
1:26:08
him with Matty and and now they've got
1:26:09
such a dad set up they they've got them
1:26:12
so I'll go Jack Moore and he'd be back
1:26:14
on a down or bike there you go he's so
1:26:16
sick on it and he was still racing gyro
1:26:18
he'd be like Eddie like they do both but
1:26:20
yeah okay well I just swing him I think
1:26:22
I'll go Jack Moore he's the man yeah
1:26:24
I like it okay so a bit of a big you
1:26:27
know big race brand you're the 2022 ews
1:26:30
number one team world champions how did
1:26:33
pivot value ews versus World Cup if if
1:26:35
you had to take the team to one of them
1:26:38
next weekend do you know which one you'd
1:26:40
be more pressure to go to would it be a
1:26:42
tough decision I know the owner Chris he
1:26:44
loves downhill is the F1 of mountain
1:26:47
biking he loves that pretty sure he'd
1:26:49
want us to go to that but I think sales
1:26:51
wise they would send us to an Enduro
1:26:52
okay I'm pretty sure see more from
1:26:55
Enduro like on Monday they're like okay
1:26:57
they did good at Enduro this weekend you
1:26:59
know they can see it versus a downhill
1:27:01
race so it depends what reason they were
1:27:05
going whether they were coming to hang
1:27:06
out with a sick race or whether they
1:27:08
wanted to sell more bikes on Monday okay
1:27:10
so I just wanted to ask you about the
1:27:12
team
1:27:13
so I was kind of thinking that aside
1:27:16
from Jenna you're all in your 30s now
1:27:19
but I wanted to check that so I Googled
1:27:21
Eddie Masters age and the first thing
1:27:24
that I think he's about the same as me
1:27:25
about 33 yeah so but so I Googled that
1:27:28
and the first thing that comes up is a
1:27:30
site called explore celeb.com
1:27:35
shall I click it should I click it I'm
1:27:37
clicking it so I clicked on it and this
1:27:39
is what it says Eddie Masters is a
1:27:41
well-regarded name in the world of
1:27:43
racing Eddie Masters is a licensed
1:27:45
Enduro and downhill bike racer from the
1:27:47
beautiful country New Zealand you might
1:27:49
also recognize him as the brother of
1:27:51
windmasters all good yeah yeah
1:27:55
I'll continue most mostly the young man
1:27:58
is admired for doing stunts and tricks
1:28:00
wearing flip-flops
1:28:02
well he mainly performs on his bike
1:28:05
pivot Firebird on a scale of one to ten
1:28:08
how curious are you to know the age of
1:28:10
the handsome hunk Eddie has turned 33
1:28:13
years old as of 2022 you can send your
1:28:15
warm wishes on his birthday I.E August
1:28:18
13th
1:28:20
it's too good do you think do you reckon
1:28:24
Eddie's written that it does sound it
1:28:28
must have been yeah
1:28:32
yeah so like like you said uh George we
1:28:36
everyone on the team is pretty awful I'm
1:28:39
the oldest I'm the Auntie but like
1:28:42
um everyone is aside from Jenna in the
1:28:44
early 30s
1:28:45
um so it's gonna be the question for you
1:28:48
as well to like try to change your team
1:28:50
around like around because obviously
1:28:53
you're gonna stop racing at some Point
1:28:55
yo so you you're gonna have to like get
1:28:58
your team going if you want I know we're
1:29:00
gonna have to fill some spots I know
1:29:01
it's a tough one I know are you just
1:29:04
hoping it was retired like I did like
1:29:07
everyone's gonna retire and then you can
1:29:08
change all your Riders at once so you
1:29:10
don't have to like you know yeah I think
1:29:12
everyone's got plans of honest I know
1:29:14
most people's plans on the team so yeah
1:29:17
I think at some point we're gonna have
1:29:18
to have a bit of a rebuild rebuild the
1:29:21
team but um yeah that is the only thing
1:29:23
we've all done so well like it would be
1:29:25
quite expensive not in a big way to buy
1:29:27
us yeah yeah yeah I wanted to buy a top
1:29:30
five Rider right now because believe it
1:29:32
or not I am if you want to buy someone
1:29:34
that's top five in the overall you're
1:29:36
gonna need some Deep Pockets and you're
1:29:38
gonna have a hard job convincing someone
1:29:40
because they've mostly been at the brand
1:29:42
they've been at that most writers are
1:29:43
pretty loyal like in our sport you don't
1:29:45
just jump ship for a paycheck you
1:29:47
normally like your team you like who
1:29:49
you're working with you stay pretty
1:29:50
brand loyal so trying to buy a top five
1:29:53
writers hard you kind of need to start
1:29:54
building them up now but then we've
1:29:56
already got a lot of Riders on the team
1:29:57
so we can't have eight guys in the team
1:30:00
so pivot actually have a next-gen team
1:30:02
coming which is pretty cool right with
1:30:04
uh Dane Jewett and Ryan Griffiths two
1:30:06
Canadian kids and a young girl Teagan
1:30:08
Heap a US girl so they're kind of
1:30:11
buildings and writers up for us and
1:30:13
we're going to start helping them next
1:30:14
year with the team which is pretty cool
1:30:16
so that'll be awesome because yeah
1:30:19
otherwise at some point we're all going
1:30:21
to stop and we're going to need some
1:30:22
Replacements otherwise the what is the
1:30:24
number one Enduro team in the world and
1:30:26
the download team is going to fade off
1:30:28
pretty quick if it's got no roster but
1:30:30
looking at those results like you've
1:30:32
become the top team and you're all early
1:30:33
30s
1:30:35
do you think that that might be the way
1:30:37
to go that you've you've rather than
1:30:39
looking for younger Riders you're
1:30:40
looking for Riders who yeah but they're
1:30:42
trying to buy them like I say they're
1:30:44
probably doing good already or good
1:30:45
enough it's not easy they either want to
1:30:46
stay brand loyal yeah or they're going
1:30:49
to cost you a fortune you know like the
1:30:52
money's going up which is cool but then
1:30:53
you've got to convince Brands like I
1:30:55
have to go to Fox Shimano can't you make
1:30:57
guys we need the X amount of dollars for
1:30:59
the year because we're going to buy
1:31:00
these riders or yeah buy them obviously
1:31:02
you're not buying them yeah yeah
1:31:05
it's like yeah so it could be the way to
1:31:08
go but it's not cheap and it's not easy
1:31:10
that's for sure so let me take you back
1:31:12
to Sunday the 5th of June 2016. you'll
1:31:15
remember this day earlier that weekend a
1:31:18
burger more right Factory Rider by the
1:31:20
name of Edward Masters Esquire had
1:31:21
rather unexpectedly qualified second at
1:31:24
the Fort William World Cup behind you
1:31:26
and on the Sunday Eddie famously binned
1:31:29
it in the first Corner yeah do you
1:31:32
mention that to him
1:31:33
we were talking about this year I think
1:31:34
when I qualified good and we've talked
1:31:36
about it a couple times but it's a funny
1:31:39
story looking back like he's not mad
1:31:40
about it because it's ridiculous that he
1:31:42
qualified second that
1:31:44
he's on man even now I wouldn't be
1:31:46
surprised if he came out next year and
1:31:47
won a World Cup it would not surprise me
1:31:50
honestly so if you're his team manager
1:31:53
in that City if that happened again now
1:31:55
what would you tell him well if he
1:31:57
qualified second you mean yeah you
1:31:58
couldn't tell him anything he's gonna do
1:32:00
what he's going to do it go do what
1:32:03
you're gonna do I think he's a lot
1:32:04
smarter now but I don't think he crash
1:32:06
on the second turn now third whatever it
1:32:08
was first yeah but I don't know he's
1:32:11
he's something that's for sure
1:32:14
we need to get him on here actually you
1:32:16
definitely do he'd be a good one yeah
1:32:19
um yeah I don't know what you tell him
1:32:20
you couldn't tell him anything even now
1:32:22
he like I get real nervous that I say
1:32:24
the wrong things enduro's like this year
1:32:26
when he got third at Canada I don't want
1:32:28
to say anything should I say I like want
1:32:30
him to do his thing so I'm so invested
1:32:33
like in a stoked way for them like yeah
1:32:35
between me and their effort everyone
1:32:37
behind the effort like the amount of
1:32:39
people with pivot Warehouse Reynolds
1:32:41
Warehouse Fox that send products out and
1:32:43
make this happen is so cool that when
1:32:46
someone's doing good I don't want to say
1:32:48
anything because I want it to happen
1:32:49
because I know it normally hopefully
1:32:51
makes a lot of people stoked so let's
1:32:53
finish off with a bit of chat about the
1:32:54
future you've you've been quite vocal
1:32:56
about ESO and image rights
1:32:59
do you really think you're gonna get
1:33:00
anything I hope sir these other team
1:33:03
managers wake up I'm going to call them
1:33:04
out right now I'm bloody
1:33:06
stand our ground if you have strength
1:33:09
impact like in Universe yeah strength
1:33:13
and numbers strength and unity if we all
1:33:14
like agree this is what we need to do
1:33:16
this is what we do without us they have
1:33:18
no show yeah like not a big if no teams
1:33:21
turn up they've if they paid ten dollars
1:33:24
a year for the races let's say or eight
1:33:27
dollars a year for a race and they have
1:33:28
eight races every race we don't show up
1:33:30
to they lose a dollar you know and it's
1:33:31
a much bigger number than that so they
1:33:33
need us to show up you know so if we all
1:33:37
believe in this fair thing happening and
1:33:40
they think they're doing this great
1:33:41
thing I want to treat us sturdy then we
1:33:43
can come to a great agreement but lately
1:33:45
we've had some quite big figures and
1:33:48
we've done all we're getting for it yet
1:33:49
so yeah yeah hopefully that it honestly
1:33:54
it could be the best thing that's ever
1:33:55
happens to sport it really could be yeah
1:33:57
like I'm not doubting that they're gonna
1:33:58
be amazing but we don't know enough it's
1:34:00
so late now yeah we need to know more so
1:34:03
I really really hope they tell us more
1:34:05
and give us a great Fair Deal that makes
1:34:08
us stoked and want to perform at our
1:34:10
best and
1:34:11
showcase ourselves and our Sport and
1:34:13
their channel the best have you still
1:34:14
not heard anything not really no I can't
1:34:17
even live then it didn't really tell me
1:34:19
anything so I asked a little more
1:34:20
questions and I went to here
1:34:22
so yeah
1:34:24
not a lot street racing
1:34:27
you had a massive one at the start of
1:34:30
the year was it in Chile yeah Valparaiso
1:34:33
yeah yeah it was brutal and to me
1:34:35
there's like levels there's crashing on
1:34:37
World Cup tracks then there's maybe
1:34:39
crashing it Hardline but none of the
1:34:41
landings are basically 100 concrete and
1:34:43
Metal
1:34:45
what goes through your head when you're
1:34:48
in the start of a street race I don't
1:34:50
know I was trying to write smart X I
1:34:51
knew I was feeling good for the season
1:34:52
and I was just a sketchy triple and I
1:34:55
think I just didn't my tires hard enough
1:34:56
I was like kind of confident new
1:34:58
comedies I was like oh these are good
1:34:59
but I like needed more street race
1:35:01
pressure I think my mistake was not
1:35:03
having my tire hard enough and it just
1:35:04
blew up the room I guess so yeah I think
1:35:07
most time you're pretty dialed it you
1:35:09
just ride it 90 now you're sprinting 100
1:35:11
but you don't ride the straights at 100
1:35:13
you've got to be smart but I love it I
1:35:15
love that we get to travel to these
1:35:17
amazing places that most World Cups we
1:35:20
go to the same town on the same weekend
1:35:21
for the last 15 years like people think
1:35:23
you travel but you go to the same place
1:35:24
for a street races we go Chile Mexico
1:35:27
China wherever it is and it's such a
1:35:30
cool opportunity to do and they actually
1:35:32
pay good prize money unlike the World
1:35:34
Cup Series so that's also a bonus so
1:35:36
would you like a one round of the World
1:35:38
Cup to be a street race do you reckon
1:35:40
that maybe not the World Cup but I think
1:35:42
Rebel want to do more street races
1:35:43
worldwide so I'm all up for them
1:35:45
especially as they get older I'll just
1:35:46
go and cruise and do some whips at those
1:35:48
and it'll be pretty fun Jack how many
1:35:51
have you have you done a street race no
1:35:53
no I don't think would you yeah
1:35:57
we go to the same places all the time
1:36:00
and these other races take you to really
1:36:02
cool cities but you'd probably never
1:36:04
visit so yeah it's definitely I'll come
1:36:07
and kill you guys
1:36:10
oh do the chat but I want to do the
1:36:12
risky thing yeah I just don't think I
1:36:14
could do it I just it's too
1:36:16
it looks too painful if you crash yes
1:36:19
I've still got like a mark on my on my
1:36:22
right Knuckle from the corrugated iron
1:36:23
that like burnt the skin off so
1:36:25
so what's the plan for next season then
1:36:28
you you mentioned before you were
1:36:30
getting a bit more help with the with
1:36:32
the team is that so that you can try and
1:36:34
focus on the racing a bit more yeah and
1:36:36
even the off-season train more like I'm
1:36:38
so busy at the minute I'll have a few
1:36:39
hours after I'm gonna be up to midnight
1:36:41
tonight and then
1:36:42
at 6 30 tomorrow the bus is back in the
1:36:44
UK now so I've got to drive start and
1:36:46
get that emptied with someone that's now
1:36:48
helping this week work for me I get all
1:36:50
the bikes and all the spares out there
1:36:51
and bring them home so I got a bit on
1:36:53
this week if I'm honest so yeah I'm
1:36:56
gonna um get like an assistant to like
1:36:59
help do more of the payments more emails
1:37:01
like loads of the stuff like that and um
1:37:04
even ensuring the vehicles or yeah
1:37:06
checking this I've done half of the
1:37:08
maybe two-thirds of the accommodation
1:37:10
for next year already so that's all done
1:37:12
well two-thirds of it so I've got a
1:37:13
third to go on that but yeah just get
1:37:16
all that done and then um train I'm
1:37:18
gonna go out to New Zealand as soon as
1:37:19
possible yeah everything's kind of still
1:37:21
in the UK I hope you let end of December
1:37:23
I'm gonna go out to New Zealand and uh
1:37:25
just ride there train I miss it there I
1:37:27
mean for years so just get some serious
1:37:29
downhill bike time out in the in the
1:37:31
good weather and then try and win one of
1:37:33
these World Cups next year hopefully I
1:37:34
was going to say is that the end for
1:37:35
next season for next year the overalls
1:37:37
cool I want to win a World Cup it's been
1:37:39
the aim for the last 15 years pretty
1:37:41
much but I feel like we're in Striking
1:37:43
Distance now and pivot are working on
1:37:44
some cool things so
1:37:45
yeah I think yeah with them and Conti we
1:37:48
only get more used to the ties you know
1:37:50
and working on on stuff with them so
1:37:52
cool yeah I think yeah try and win a
1:37:55
race question off the back of that
1:37:57
obviously like you just said you've had
1:37:58
15 years pushing for a World Cup win if
1:38:01
if you win the first one what's gonna
1:38:04
happen then probably announce my
1:38:05
retirement and then go ahead really yeah
1:38:08
I've always said I don't know I always
1:38:10
said I would announce my retirement
1:38:11
that's why I've asked the question are
1:38:13
you not gonna if you won the first would
1:38:14
you not be like right [ __ ] it I'm having
1:38:16
the overall oh no don't rest the season
1:38:18
for sure but I'd probably announce my
1:38:20
retirement I've always thought it's so
1:38:22
cool to go on a high and it's not about
1:38:23
me calling life but it would be pretty
1:38:26
cool to go out as the champ
1:38:27
really sick you know but I had to know
1:38:31
Racing's so much more fun when you do
1:38:33
good I had such a good time this year
1:38:35
you're good it's way more fun 100 I've
1:38:38
had two years injured it [ __ ] sucks
1:38:40
it was just before covered when I was
1:38:42
enjoying it because I was doing well it
1:38:45
was good yeah it's way more enjoyable so
1:38:47
anyway so we'll see where's the lens at
1:38:49
home man I'm gonna come and swing in
1:38:51
Atlanta yeah there you go yeah so no
1:38:55
maybe I'll see how we feel again at the
1:38:56
season like even now so much like I
1:38:58
visit the gym today already just to
1:39:00
sustain what I had not to go hard just
1:39:02
so when I start training properly at the
1:39:03
end of December that I haven't lost
1:39:05
everything I built for this year yeah so
1:39:07
we're already like in a routine you know
1:39:09
you're not
1:39:10
like I can't go to Hawaii on holiday for
1:39:12
two weeks like you well you can if you
1:39:14
want to lose time and this and that so
1:39:17
it would be nice at some point to not
1:39:19
care about what I do every week yeah
1:39:22
yeah so we'll see cool well thanks for
1:39:26
coming on the show it's uh thanks for
1:39:28
making the time that has been just as
1:39:30
entertaining as I knew it would be and
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