eat_the_pudding

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh .. OK
    I’m going after this one …

    oil revenue is in the graph I put on the previous page. I think those graphs from (“kevverages” blog) show all the oil revenue added to the scottish “non oil” revenue to show if the oil would get rid of the deficit. In the 80s oh yes, now, definitely not.
    Overall black bit went to the UK, red bit came…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh,
    You said;

    Is rUK just going to give up on the £60bn on exports they send up here?

    If you replace rUK with EU and you can’t see that that sentence is similar to arguments made by brexiters, then I can’t help you.

    I realise you don’t see yourself as a brexiter and I certainly don’t see you as one, but you’ve just used a very similar…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    Welcome scotroutes,
    I see you’re here to point out uncertainty (on the exact rules and future interpretation of EU policies on currency which may be unfavourable to your point of view),
    But reluctant to deal with facts, on the deficit, the rate of growth required to avoid austerity in a future indy scotland, where the cuts would fall if…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh,
    Oh come on;
    Can you genuinely not see the relationship between brexitters saying “They need us more than we need them”, and you saying “Is rUK just going to give up on the £60bn on exports they send up here?”

    Really? :O)

    Is that because we will be in such a strong position in the negotiations that the rUK will roll over and give us what…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh
    Did you just say “They need us more than we need them” ..

    Even I am surprised how quickly the flawless arguments of the brexit aficionados have taken root in scexit. ;o)

    Give it 20 minutes and it’ll be all “Boris will only play hardball as long as it takes Tunnocks and Irn bru to arrange a meeting”.

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh,
    I’m glad that you’ve accepted that scotland has a big deficit, but don’t try to minimise what that would mean for post indy scotland.

    You describe it as “manageable”, but manageable, does not mean easy, or trivial, and managing a deficit means either growth or saving. So wheres the growth coming from (at the scale required), and where…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh, I don’t think thats what that says. The amount scotland get is decided by the barnett formula, and I think any changes to that would have been looked at very carefully by interested parties on both sides.

    In “figuring out whether scotland is subsidised” or not thats a non question.

    This graph is a history of scottish spending and…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    Jeebus,
    I see that the economics of scotland are still in a wonderful state this morning, and that despite epi[nomics] admitting that;

    The future is uncertain even for a country that is already independent.

    We’re all sure that things will be better in the future, because of reasons.

    I use the economic argument against independence because its…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    Anyway now that we’ve established that its sunlit uplands all around and back to the winchester for a pint, I’m off for now :O)

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    And when it was scotlands was 15%
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  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    Show me where ANYONE has said that;

    an independent country similar to Scotland that has failed.

    No-one is saying “failure”. I’m saying economic hardship, a bad time for the poor and disadvantaged, and not a lot to spend on the things that many indy supporters claim as the very reasons for their support.

    Even with the best most positive economic…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh,
    Yup just like Greece did …………….. I can see now I’ve been a fool all along :O)
    BTW Its a BIG deficit.

    epicyclo
    You don’t know (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between an estimate of current actual spending and revenue and potential future improvements in scotlands economy.

    Will it help if i put it like this;
    These…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh,
    good .. lets keep it up and see what happens when rhetoric meets reality :O)

    I might (still) not be in favour of indy, but I’d be less bothered if I lost to people who were telling the truth.

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    epicyclo
    No You!
    I’m predicting eff all.
    I’m saying that the CURRENT FIGURES show that we have a deficit, and that wishing it away without paying for it somehow (austerity?) won’t wash.

    Of course scotland can be a country, but are you saying that we could afford (tomorrow, independent) the social services and NHS provision we currently have?

    If…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh

    BTW, everywhere with in the uk has a deficit outside of london and the SE.

    I know.. I told you that :O)

    I’m ambivalent on the future of scotlands economy, could be bad could be good. And theres no definitive reason I can see why it can’t be good TBH, but it would take TIME to get back to where we are now, and TIME to rejoin the EU.

    But…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    tj,
    Now thats a manifesto i can get behind 🙂

    My point is that honesty is better than lies. Some things are facts, some things are opinions and some things are imagination.

    The lesson of 2014 was that lies can almost win referendums. (and how may people even today still argue that “scotland supports the economy of the rest of the UK”, and that…[Read more]

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    seosamh,
    Counting the money I got paid and the money I spent over the last year .. not hard.

    Predicting the value of sterling a year from now, the value of services and goods sold over the next year, the productivity and output of the average scottish worker, and how all of that might be affected by global trends and the global economy .. hard.

  • eat_the_pudding replied to the topic Scotland Indyref 2 in the forum Chat Forum 1 month ago

    I’m not saying that scotland can’t be a country.
    I’m not saying that scotland can’t be a prosperous country (at some point in the future).

    I’m just saying that tomorrow, independent, we couldn’t afford to spend as much money on the things we claim to value (NHS, social services etc.).
    And getting back to where we are now spending wise would not…[Read more]

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