Zwift, my journey, my weight and my fitness.
It was tough!
I was covering Mathew the entire race, as his is the only jersey I could see properly lol. My only mistake last night was that I waited too long to launch the sprint….
BTW Stephan Bouman, is a professional cyclist: https://www.zwiftpower.com/race.php?id=14518Posted 3 months ago
Poor guy was taking a lot of stick last night 😆
Yes mate. That one.
It bothered me once, but now I just dont care.
IMO its ridiculous as its only fair in single Cat races, if I race in an abcd race, the AB riders are taken into account? But that’s daft, I’m not racing them. If I could, I’d be in A of course. So why is my result affected by them.
Today I finished just behind an A guy. He got -4 I got -9. That’s just not right. He was last A, I was 2/3 back in C.Posted 3 months agozilog6128Subscriber
Yeah, barely ever loads on Safari (Mac & iOS) so I looked at it a couple of times and haven’t bothered since!
It’s a crap idea anyway as it’s not conducive to the way I want to use Zwift, i.e. brag about races where I’ve done well and quietly brush all the others under the carpet 😆Posted 3 months ago
yeah, I agree
…(ish) – I think it works out where in the overall field you should finish and then gives points from there. Presumably the A rider is “Finn Achilles” – he seems pretty fast generally so surprising that he didn’t get a massive deduction. Then again, he does have an AWESOME name 😀
I don’t look at it except when it gets a mention on here. At least I’m above 1000 now; had a bit of a bad run (2 DNFs and a sprint for the wrong line in a “1 lap” race) which punished me, quite rightlyPosted 3 months ago
Weeksy, 2/3 of the points are based on absolute finishing position but 1/3 of the allocated points are related to a pre race forecast. So he was obviously closer to his predicted score than you.
I’ve read it twice and my head is still hurting 😆Posted 3 months ago
Calculation of Points
Strength of Field (SOF)
For each Race a Strength of Field (SOF) is calculated. The SOF is the sum of the Points associated with all Racers divided by the number or Racers (the arithmetic mean). The SOF is used to compute the total number of Points available for the Race.
The Points available for a given Race are calculated by multiplying the SOF by 0.1 and then multiplying that by the number of Racers in the Race divided by 16. In this way the larger the Event the more Points that are available.
Points Based On Absolute Finishing Position (2/3 of available Points)
The top half of Racers receive positive Points, based on absolute finishing position, equal to 2/3 of the Points available. The bottom half of Racers receive negative Points, based on absolute finishing position, equal to 2/3 of the Points available.
Each half is broken into 4 quadrants. The Points available to the half are then distributed across the 4 quadrants as follows: 50% for the topmost or bottommost finishers, 25% for the next topmost or bottommost finishers, then 8% and lastly 2%. This has the effect of minimizing the changes for the 25% of riders finishing in the middle of a race and maximizing the Points changes for the 25% finishing at the top or bottom of the Race. Within each quadrant Points are skewed so that they become more positive or negative as you move away from the middle finishing position.
Points Based On Projected Finishing Position (1/3 of available Points)
Racers are ranked at the start of a Race by their Points. Based on this forecasted finishing position a Points Delta is computed. At the end of a Race the Racer’s Points at the start of the Race are subtracted from the Points associated with their actual finishing position in the Race based on the Points rank computed at the start of the Race.
If a Racer finishes in the exact position projected by rank then their Points Delta would be zero as the Points at that rank position would be their Points. If a Racer finishes above their projected finishing position then they will have a positive Points Delta. Conversely, if a racer finishes below their projected finishing position they will have a negative Points Delta.
The positive Points Deltas are summed and used as the factor to assign Points based on projected finishing position as given by (Points Delta divided by positive Points Delta Sum times 1/3 of Points available).
Negative Points Deltas based on projected finishing position are divided by 2 to mute the effect of poor finishes by high Points Racers (it is easier to finish way down in the list then it is to finish high in the list). This also mutes the effects of mechanicals which would otherwise have a dramatic effect on the Racer’s Points.
Points Delta’s were used, as opposed to simply a delta of projected finishing position because finishing above a high Points Racer should provide a requisite bump in Points for the Racer based on the relative strengths of the Racers as opposed to a linear progression based on finishing position.
Points Bonus for Top Three Finishers
In addition to the above Points Bonuses are awarded to the top three positions as follows:
receives a bonus equal to 9% of the Points availablePosted 3 months ago
receives a bonus equal to 4% of the Points available
receives a bonus equal to 2% of the Points availableeemyMember
It’s hard not to become a little bit obsessed by the ranking score which has meant that I have tended to focus on flat races – because generally I can stay with the front group and get a decent score.
But that is just silly, so I’ve started doing more hilly races – I’ll be tumbling down the rankings in no time.Posted 3 months ago
The guys who won c and 2nd got 10 and 7 points. That’s my issue with it. They won their Cat and got basically not a lot.
Sure, I get winning A races is harder than C races, but where’s the incentive if winning your race gets you 10 points.
I get bigger fields gives more points, but not everyone can plan their life to only enter massive races.Posted 3 months ago
But don’t forget that the w/kg based categories are entirely arbitrary and this aims to promote a fairer way of categorising everybody (the Divisions).
It’s just a shame nobody has actually crested a division based race series yet.
The strength of field score means it’s not just about the smaller drafts of riders in the less popular races, but also their relative ability.Posted 3 months ago
So the points dished out were crap because the overall standard was crap 😆 😛 😉
It’s just a shame nobody has actually crested a division based race series yet
I enjoyed the fully split starts more, 3 mins later etc. Far too often you end up with a bunch of Bs and C’s closing you down from behind, whereas if they were just CS you may hang on, with all the B riders, you’re not.
I expect the Delivery feel the same with us C’s pulling the odd D along who made a great start.
Of course, no system is perfect for all scenarios, but it could work better imo.Posted 3 months agoeugeo81Member
I am now fully set up and ready to go on zwift with my tacx 2240 after my trainer tyre turned up in Tallinn today (5 days to deliver here from wiggle!). Bought a fan yesterday, got some looks as there is already snow and ice about here 😆 Quick question, what sort of tyre pressures are optimum for turbos? And will a sick bucket be necessary?Posted 3 months ago
Nope, it’s just that I want a Cat1,2,3,4 and individual points for the Cats. That’s why they do it how they do, otherwise none of the Cat4s would bother turning up as the Cat1 riders would be the only ones to get points.
I get your point. But that doesn’t mean I agree.Posted 3 months ago
piemonster its a Honda CRV 😆
Weeksy my place has nothing to do with it, it’s a system based off % of people allowed in a division. Therefore if you have new people signing up who are better than us, then we get bumped down a place. You can’t get any fairer than that in my books??
You’re being ranked on division, so the only time the other divisions bother you is if you beat a higher division (you’ll have some of his points) or a lower division beats you (they’ll have some of your points).Posted 3 months ago
You’re being ranked on division, so the only time the other divisions bother you is if you beat a higher division (you’ll have some of his points) or a lower division beats you (they’ll have some of your points).
In a race today with 28 Cs, only 3 riders got + points. There were a couple of 0 and the rest were negatives. That also included 6 who DNF and therefore got a load of negative. So if what you’re saying is true, then the people who finished and finished high should have got + points.
I’ve won C races before and got 0 points. Yes, of course you can say that’s because of the strength of field etc, but clearly you’re not ranked and given points purely on your category.Posted 3 months ago
But whether you score -9 or 7 or 250 is irrelevant- the number is irrelevant.
What’s relevant is how it, as a system, ends up ranking you in the Divisions. And I bet if you CVR stalked a few people you’d had close battles with, you’d be pretty closely ranked.
I’m guessing not in my case as I’ve had 4 dnf, which is 120-130 down as they’re -30 or more. However in other cases that may be true.
I get frustrated as I race hard, pick up a top 5 in C and get 6 points. Race just as hard today, battle well and get -9. I wasn’t any worse today than the other day, arguably in the last 5 minutes I did better as instead of giving up, I pulled 2 guys in and beat them.
This is why I don’t care about CVR.Posted 3 months ago
But it’s a ranking system. The points are merely a tool to create accurate rankings- not a reward for finishing in a particular spot. You raced a small field against a load of poorly ranked riders so the points were never there for the taking.Posted 3 months ago
Their A,B,C or D category is irrelevant and simply reflects their ftp not their ranking.
It is “sort of” right/fair – if all the Cs score zero or negative points, then they’ll still all appear in similar parts of the league table. There won’t be many points between a fast C and a slow one but if you only gain or lose a handful of points each time then that small gap takes some closing
At the top end I assume they ALL score highly, so it’s like being a merchant banker – you get paid a shitload but you’re still only as rich as the guy at the next desk … ’til you lose a shitload in one or two goes like our man Finn (might be intersting to see how fast he or someone like him can get back up the lists, assuming he’s got no health issues or whatever holding him back)
Whether it matters that the gap is massive between the “A” haves and the “C” have nots is down to what the numbers mean to you – I suspect that it is possible to climb out and get up the rankings if you genuinely improve loads; the trouble for you (and me) weeksy is that if you’re already racing close to your potential then all you can do is avoid DNFs and scrabble about for handfuls of points
[crosshair](or train in a better way)[/crosshair] 😀Posted 3 months ago
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