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  • Ze hav won ze war….. Really? he/she/it can do one….
  • jambalaya
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    Student Union bollix

    jimjam
    Free Member

    Northwind

    Oh it’s 100 now? This is escalating quickly. WHERE WILL IT END?!??

    30 (and counting) new non binary genders. 70 ( and counting) proposed new gender pronouns.

    WHERE WILL IT END?!??

    A socialist utopia. Obviously.

    jambalaya – Member

    Student Union bollix

    Check your privilege.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    Are these listed somewhere?

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    allthegear
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    Yes – I’d like to see a list, if she can produce one.

    Rachel

    allthegear
    Free Member

    And, anyway, the whole thing appears to have been made up, unsurprisingly…

    https://ousu.org/news/article/6013/OUSU-Statement-The-Use-Of-Gender-Neutral-Pronouns/

    Phil_H
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    BigDummy
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    There ought to be some sort of valour medal for people who take a stand on the internet for their right to hypothetically call a trans person by the wrong pronoun if they ever meet one. These people are our last, best line of defence against a future that isn’t similar to the 1950s.

    Rachel’s patience is commendable as ever.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    TBF, I don’t think anyone is asking for that right. However, I can see that having more than a handful of options is likely to prove problematic, especially as language evolves.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    How surprising! Well, I’m sure we can look forward to retractions from everyone…

    jimjam – Member

    A socialist utopia. Obviously.

    What has socialism got to do with it? Considering you keep going on about New York, that hotbed of radical socialism… You don’t have to be a socialist to treat people with respect.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    http://nonbinary.org/wiki/List_of_nonbinary_identities

    There’s 56. Interesting mix of cultural variations.

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Not entirely made up is it ? It’s a policy for use at Student Union meetings.

    It is a sign of our times there are potentially many thousands of people dying in Allepo and OUSU is publishing guidance about gender “words” most of which are made up.

    allthegear
    Free Member

    There’s possibly somewhat less that the Student Union can do about Allepo than they can do about the people dying on their campus. Maybe that’s why?

    Oh – and all words are made up – you do know that, right?

    Rachel

    atlaz
    Free Member

    It is a sign of our times there are potentially many thousands of people dying in Allepo and OUSU is publishing guidance about gender “words” most of which are made up.

    What allthegear said… you clearly understand that there’s no queue for problems where the most serious have to be dealt with first otherwise you’d be an idiot. You, just for a change, are being difficult, one problem has nothing to do with the other as you know.

    mrhoppy
    Full Member

    A lot of people are showing that being a **** is no indication of whether you have one or not, which is quite pertinent given the topic.

    hammyuk
    Free Member

    What’s wrong with “oi”?
    Doesn’t matter who it is that way.

    sbob
    Free Member

    allthegear – Member

    The vast majority of trans people totally understand that it’s sometimes difficult to remember – I get it wrong sometimes!

    Could you have a chat with my mate Ruby (nee Neil) and point out it would be a lot easier to remember to refer to her as “she” if she shaved off the beard?
    Cheers.
    💡

    hebdencyclist
    Free Member

    Not entirely made up is it ? It’s a policy for use at Student Union meetings.

    It is a sign of our times there are potentially many thousands of people dying in Allepo and OUSU is publishing guidance about gender “words” most of which are made up.

    How characteristic of you to take the least thoughtful, least flexible, least progressive, least enlightened, least proportionate and least compassionate position on any given subject.

    perchypanther
    Free Member

    Where’s mrsfry?

    Ze would have sorted this out.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    So we have to establish two things here…

    1) What’s the single most important issue in the world today- the student union has to get right onto fixing that, and not talk about anything else til they do.

    2) Exactly which minorities and special interest groups is it OK to not treat with respect? This is a perfect storm here, students AND trans people, great, they’re both definitely on the list… But I think we need to know exactly who is and who isn’t allowed, I’m worried I might innocently attack a protected minority when I think I’m legitimately attacking an Other.

    epicyclo
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    hammyuk – Member
    What’s wrong with “oi”?
    Doesn’t matter who it is that way.

    My dog would be offended. It thinks that is its name.

    kcr
    Free Member

    Identity is something that requires mutual agreement

    Does that mean your chosen identity is invalid unless I (and everyone else) agree with your choice? Surely it’s not up to me to tell you who you are?

    I can’t really see the problem in referring to someone using their preferred terminology. It’s no skin off my nose.

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    How much does ze charge or should that be zee charge?

    jimjam
    Free Member

    kcr

    Does that mean your chosen identity is invalid unless I (and everyone else) agree with your choice?

    If I choose to identify as a fox (otherkin are people too), my fox identity is invalid to you unless you agree to engage with me on those terms. Or it becomes enshrined in law that I can force you to do so.

    kcr

    I can’t really see the problem in referring to someone using their preferred terminology. It’s no skin off my nose.

    If you’re an employer or retailer, or university lecturer who could find themselves in court for misgendering someone it might be a problem for you.

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    Faith restored

    In this situation, and in light of the factual inaccuracies published, we would like to highlight that our support for trans students includes respecting neopronouns and non-binary identities. We would also like to clearly state that we would never tell anyone to use ‘ze’ pronouns instead of ‘he’ or ‘she’ if ‘he’ or ‘she’ is the pronoun someone wishes to use. That would be misgendering and would likely have the biggest impact on individuals (ie, some trans students) who may already be struggling to get people to use ‘he’ or ‘she’ for them. It would be totally counterproductive.

    theocb
    Free Member

    Recent studies are suggesting most people are gender neutral. Fascinating subject.

    orangespyderman
    Full Member

    Recent studies are suggesting most people are gender neutral.

    Recent studies also suggest that people who make sweeping statements and don’t quote their sources might as well just be making it up 😆

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    Apparently some men are starting to shave their legs….

    zippykona
    Full Member

    I’m an ultra athlete trapped in a lazy gits body.

    theocb
    Free Member

    You know the rules.. if you’re interested then do your own digging 🙂

    eat_the_pudding
    Free Member

    But that doesn’t answer what I said above.

    Why aren’t they asking people to use a single gender neutral pronoun for everyone?

    A single pronoun makes sense and I could genuinely get behind that as an idea.

    Having a fluid series of changable n plus 1 pronouns, just looks like a pointless, virtue signalling bun fight.

    Unless virtue signalling is the entire point of the whole enterprise?

    If you go down the road of adding more and more for every subdivision you have no argument against the people who want to identify as apache attack helicopters, tampons (Hey Charlie!) or plants.

    You might think other peoples proclivities are silly or trivial or not deserving of the respect you demand for yourself. But giving legal force to your own demands for recognition might just come back at you in unexpected ways.

    Neutrality in language (and before the law) should be the aim, not subdivision and singling out.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    You know the rules.. if you’re interested then do your own dogging

    FTFY

    allthegear
    Free Member

    Sounds a bit doubleplusgood?

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Holding student union meetings in a new made up language isn’t changing anything. What it is is ridiculous bollix. If someone is transgender etc they are perfectly entitled to ask to be addressed by name. We don’t need new words to refer to people.

    theocb
    Free Member

    Eat up ya pudding. I agree but change is scary shit to most. Instead of fixing things we over complicate them for short term patches.

    Sweden have made some interesting changes along the lines you speak of.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    Holding student union meetings in a new made up language isn’t changing anything. What it is is ridiculous bollix.

    Just as well it never happened then, hey?

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    Please can we stick to “one” and the royal “we”

    Nico
    Free Member

    Anybody remember “wimmin”? Or “herstory”. No, I thought not. It’s PC gone.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    in the latest Alistair Reynolds book one of the characters is referred to as ze, took me a few chapters to twig as it was the first time id encountered the word outside of allo, allo!

    As its sci-fi that predicts the future better than anything- 😉 get used to it.
    All you stick in the muds, will have to deal with the world changing around you in this case the 3rd, 4th… sex, 3 person babies are now a reality, we are still evolving after all

    just try not to get too angry about it.

    bencooper
    Free Member

    The pronoun used isn’t the problem – people can ask to be referred to by any pronoun they like. No big deal.

    The problem is when the pronoun you have – automatically or by choice – determines other things that happen in your life. What changing room you use, what sports team you play in, what education you can access, etc.

    allthegear
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    The problem is when the pronoun you have – automatically or by choice – determines other things that happen in your life. What changing room you use, what sports team you play in, what education you can access, etc.

    Quite. It’s why something I don’t really give much of a thought to these days as I travel all around Western and Eastern Europe is precisely the thing that has me genuinely worried about being assaulted when I go to Baltimore next year.

    Rachel

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