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  • Premier Icon CountZero
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    Drafting trucks I’ve seen 90mpg (over 50 miles) in my zafira with its last gen engine – something like an insignia (more aero) should be able to do even more.

    I had an Insignia SRi diesel as a loan car while my old Octavia was being assessed for damage, when I handed it back it had done just shy of 900 miles, just commuting backwards and forwards to work, 155 miles a week, and it had just gone onto reserve. It did cost £72 to fill it up, but if it had been doing mostly motorway miles I reckon 1000 miles out of a tank would be perfectly feasible. I drove my EcoSport up to London for the first time a couple of weeks ago, filled it up before I left and it was showing a range of 304 miles. When I got to Hammersmith where I was parking, it showed a range of 340 miles.
    It was still showing a range of 290 miles when I got home, having done 200 miles. That’s a 1.0 EcoBoost petrol, which isn’t particularly economical driving in relatively slow traffic. More and more, though, I appreciate having a semi-auto gearbox with cruise control!

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    It’s odd, the thread about an enthusiastic driver buying an Atom to buzz about the Highlands in (For Fun) was generally fine.
    Treads about any type of van conversion, Transporter conversions as daily drivers, that’s fine too!
    Bloke asks for advice on engine size for taking his lad to train for Football all over the country. Gets everyone into a froth.
    We had better tell all of the Pro MTB teams to sell all of the kit they use all over Europe, That Mercedes Actros and 13m race transporter aren’t going to save the planet are they!

    Funky, Great Dad. Supporting his kids sport, spending time with his kid, making sacrifices helping his kid to make the most of a cracking opportunity.. good luck for the season.

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    Funky – I was a long term merc estate owner in form of 3.2 v6.
    Very comfortable, point’n’squirt, oodles of room; great on long journeys, not practical for short/stop-start drives; hopeless on icy roads – rear wheel drive auto is not your friend on ice.
    A good independent specialist is preferable to merc dealership for servicing.
    Service costs as you would expect for that size of car.
    For the driving you describe a big merc would fit your requirements.
    Anything bigger than 3ltr is, probably, overkill; that’s my experience of moving from 3.2 v6 to
    4.2 v8.
    And a not entirely serious suggestion…VW Phaeton.

    Edit – it wasn’t an AMG and didn’t have a pretend body kit; just a standard merc.

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    DTs well said; +1

    Maybe surf-mat=awesome should be replaced with TAFKASTR=awesome ?

    Nah, I’m a shit driver

    Premier Icon Inbred456
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    530D Tourer Auto if I had the money.
    Skoda Superb Estate 2.0 TDi if I couldn’t get the Bimmer.

    DTs well said; +1

    +2

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    If you’re committed to the mileage long term and have off street parking it’s screaming EV for me.

    120 miles in my model 3 would cost about £1.80 in electricity at 5ppkwh overnight. Even if you got 50mpg out of a nice wafty 6 pot diesel that’s gonna cost what £15? That’s 8 times more fuel cost from the ICE.

    EVs are obviously expensive to buy/lease/finance but if you’re slamming the miles the running costs will sharp net that out.

    I’m just staggered that a 330e will only do 20mpg once the battery is toast and isn’t a good companion on a long journey. My old M135i would do 35+mpg on a run easy as long as I didn’t drive like a total dick. However, my wife’s 320i at the time was a much better companion on a long journey.. I’d take the smaller engine in the better car over the better engine in the smaller car every day of the week. (But maybe that’s because the 1 series was so badly nailed together).

    I’ve always considered myself a petrol head but after getting the Tesla 18 months ago I honestly don’t think I’ll ever have another ICE car unless I’m in the position where I have the money and space for a second sports car that is a proper garage queen and does a few hundred miles a year.

    Premier Icon Tom-B
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    I’d actually agree with the above! We’re currently in the midst of selling 2 x mortgaged properties and using the profit to fund a mortgage free barn conversion…..once done a Tesla on lease will be arriving asap. If you’re not fussed about colour/spec etc you can get some incredible deals.

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    @Tom-B where are these lease deals?

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    I didn’t criticise the OP for wanting to drive that far, by the way.

    He may not get running costs that low from an EV though. On Octopus Go, the 5p/kWh tariff, you only get 4 hours at that rate which may not be long enough to fill the car after a trip that long. Also, lease deals will be more expensive at that sort of mileage.

    I’m just staggered that a 330e will only do 20mpg once the battery is toast

    I think he’s got it in the wrong setting.

    Premier Icon boblo
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    It’s true that a lot if not most of what we spend can be classed as discretionary. If it’s high end bikes/pens/watches/coffee makers all good (on here). Cars that don’t fit someone else’s preconceptions/spec often baaad. Yes we could all shop at Aldi, buy an On One, drive a 1L Micra and live in a box somewhere cheap (and possibly dire) but that’s what freedom to choose gives us – the freedom to choose not too.

    Moly has got himself into a bit of a froth because someone else doesn’t want to ‘settle’ for a 4 pot 2L when he does. This whilst choosing to drag his caravan around ‘depleting precious resources’ when perfectly good options are available at his destination that wouldn’t drag his fuel economy down…

    This is mostly tongue in cheek and I’m only pointing out Moly’s double standard as he’s been the most vocal up there^. I’m sure he prefers his van over sleeping on the floor or paying for local accom but on the ‘is it the most efficient use of fuel’ measure – no, it isn’t.

    I prefer 3L V6 diesel engines in big wafty cruisers. I like the way they go about their business. Sadly, my most recent one is only available in 4 pot 2L and though it’s plenty powerful and quite refined, it aint the same and I’m very dissapointed. It’s not even more economical than my last big un. It’s also probably the last big estate I’ll buy though I’m not sure what’s next. That decision is at least 5 years away so no hurry.

    People buy stuff for all sorts of reasons and brutal efficiency is not always the main contender. Just because it’s yours/mine doesn’t mean it’s someone else’s or they’re plain ‘wrong’…

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    think he’s got it in the wrong setting

    No I’ve had the car from new and know how it works. ‘Normal’ driving mode it uses battery anything up to 55mph so that would be the first 10 miles of the journey.

    It then uses battery even when using ICE and on a motorway journey this is drained by approx 100 miles. At the point the ICE starts to charge the battery back to 20%, but then the process repeats.

    At any point you drop below 55mph it will also only try and use battery again draining the battery

    The only way to stop it using the battery is to knock the gear box in to manual, or change it in to sport mode, or keep your speed above 55mph. At some point on a motorway you spend time just below 55mph which eats the battery. So you end up doing lots of faffing to stop it using the battery to maintain your mpg

    I am not using the modes wrong. As I say it’s a great car, incredibly fast, and a great place to be, but it’s not stress free, or a limo.

    As to EV being the solution. It could well be but that would cost me £100’s, £1,000’s to swap. A Tesla is very expensive to lease on big mileage, or way more than I can afford to buy out right, and they depreciate faster than an ICE if you put big miles on them.

    Anyhow genuinely thanks to molgrips I have started looking at the Merc 2.0d e-class estate. I could swap in to latest generation one and it only cost me about £4k

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    The only way to stop it using the battery is to knock the gear box in to manual

    Isn’t that what the eDrive Battery Save mode does?

    Also, do you use the sat-nav for the journey? Sounds like the powertrain uses hints from that to determine the best power source to use when in Auto mode..

    (disclaimer: not had one, but was looking into them a while back)

    Premier Icon intheborders
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    I’ll do the usual and recommend what I have, 2018 320d.

    Even though it’s an auto xDrive it’s averaged 47mpg over the last 3 years and I pay no attention whatsoever to driving ‘economically’. I had a 435d previously (loads of poke but shit handling) and this averaged 40mpg over a couple of years, but the 320 will still do 7 sec 0-60 and get past 140mph.

    Pretty sure if you drove at 70 it’d be well in the 50’s.

    And for those saying size up, my 3 series is as big inside & out as my E39 era 5 series.

    Premier Icon wbo
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    So that’s 25000 a year plus any normal mileage? Reliable, and cheap to maintain would be number one for me, and given it will be worth a lot less in 3 years , not too pricey.

    Move house?

    Don’t know why an EV would depreciate faster. Honestly I’d get a Tesla

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    Plus the engine is under less stress and is silky smooth.

    Define “less stress”.

    Mechanically a big engine, fairly obviously, put far more stress on the car than a small one,

    And even a (relatively) tiny 1.5/1.6 diesel will cruise almost silently at well under 2k rpm at 70mph.

    The engine itself, all the ancillary bits will be under the same load in either engine (an injector doesn’t know how big the engine is, it just opens and closes, the pump is sized to the injector, the turbo is sized to the airflow, etc). And the engine block and bearings will probably last 300k or 400k+ miles with modern oil.

    Premier Icon Tom-B
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    Good point about mileage actually!


    @daffy
    Select Car Leasing have always had some mega deals when we’ve been looking.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    The only way to stop it using the battery is to knock the gear box in to manual, or change it in to sport mode, or keep your speed above 55mph.

    According to the internet, there’s a ‘battery save’ mode that stops it chewing through the battery. I struggle to believe that BMW designed the car to behave as you suggest, since it’s so obviously ridiculous.

    Premier Icon FunkyDunc
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    Isn’t that what the eDrive Battery Save mode does?

    Also, do you use the sat-nav for the journey? Sounds like the powertrain uses hints from that to determine the best power source to use when in Auto mode..

    Yes the save button keeps the battery at 92% but it’s a real pain swapping in and out of save for towns etc. Also if you have been using g the battery in a town that’s 50% charge to recoup

    And no the sat Nav isn’t clever. I took this up with BMW when I first got the car. There marketing says it looks at the journey and uses it appropriately. It doesn’t. I had a complaint lodged with them and they finally admitted it doesn’t.

    I imagine the newer generation does but not the original version

    There’s lots stuff on the internet about people having to play with settings on the original 330e to make them efficient on long distances

    As to Tesla show me a lease deal that will be cheaper than swapping cars? And you can get a big dog in the boot (I don’t think they do and estate or cheaper SUV) ?

    This thread started with me saying I can swap cars at NO COST

    Premier Icon intheborders
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    And no the sat Nav isn’t clever. I took this up with BMW when I first got the car. There marketing says it looks at the journey and uses it appropriately. It doesn’t. I had a complaint lodged with them and they finally admitted it doesn’t.

    Even though I’ve worked in IT my entire working life (40 years now) and consequentially been thru the entire history of the Internet, I still avoid consumer tech as a First/Second Adopter.

    Probably why I’ll also give it a few more years before looking at eBikes too.

    Luckily there are plenty of other brave/daft souls to crash-test the tech before I consider it 🙂

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    I had a 330d that I loved for the cruising mpg, cruise control, oomph when you needed it and hated for the run flats.

    I now have (sigh) a CRV 1.6 diesel which, for its sins, is Euro 6 emissions and ULEZ friendly. On a run it is easily showing 50s mpg.

    Used to have a supercharged 4.6l petrol V8. 12-14 mpg – maybe 18-22 on a cruise. Drove it to Italy and back. Been poor ever since.

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    As to Tesla show me a lease deal that will be cheaper than swapping cars? And you can get a big dog in the boot (I don’t think they do and estate or cheaper SUV) ?

    A model s is available as a 7 seater so I recon you’d get a big dog in the boot no issues (as long as it’s not bigger than 2 kids)

    The cost to change to a older Tesla s would be about 10k. It would save you around £3k a year in fuel and servicing and probably still be worth £10k more after 3 years. It would be faster and quieter on the motorway than any V6 options and more responsive (no waiting for an autobox to change down). It would at least be worth a test drive

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    How about a volvo v90.
    Safe of course
    Huge luxo barge with the comfiest heated seats
    Powerful cabin heater so you csn defrost aftet spending an hour freezing your nads off at footyball training
    Stylish, dunno about reliability and priced but they have been out for a few years so should be ballpark
    Long wheelbase which had an effect on comfort on long distance drives

    Premier Icon midlifecrashes
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    Buy the kid a moped, or if he’s that good, the club can send a car.

    Buy the kid a moped, or if he’s that good, the club can send a car.

    Cool attitude – send your kid out on a moped to save the planet. Kid might die, but at least you’ve done your bit and can wallow in your self righteousness

    I’m aware your comment may/may not have been tongue in cheek….

    😉

    Premier Icon midlifecrashes
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    Kids love mopeds, so he’d have died doing something he loved!

    Better that surely than early onset dementia from all the heading practice.

    Tongue firmly in cheek, though I’ve been looking at my mental map of the UK and can’t picture a spot where the local football club would be so far.

    Premier Icon Flaperon
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    Bear in mind that you won’t get a 5p/kWh tariff for an EV at the moment (well, you will, but you’ll pay 25p/kWh for your other use).

    Premier Icon buenfoxa
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    The 535d is 313hp, 465 ft/lb of torque.

    Thought you said fast 😊

    Premier Icon FunkyDunc
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    I’ve been looking at my mental map of the UK and can’t picture a spot where the local football club would be so far.

    Welsh boarders. And it is just about the nearest Category 1 academy

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    Funky, Great Dad. Supporting his kids sport, spending time with his kid, making sacrifices helping his kid to make the most of a cracking opportunity.. good luck for the season.

    Very much this. FD, seriously well done for making the sacrifice, I hope your boy does well. Even if he doesn’t make it, he tried, and he’ll love you for making that happen (eventually 😊).

    If driving a 3L V6 up and down the motorway makes that a little more enjoyable, and you can afford it, then do it. I’d still recommend an A6 All Road. Or maybe an A8!

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    tonyd – I recommended a merc estate in earlier post as I ran a 3.2 v6 for years; built for motorway cruising.
    Interesting you refer to an A8 as that’s what I now have in 4.2 v8 lwb flavour.
    Even more of a mile munching autobahn cruiser but, for funky’s requirements, it’s overkill – supremely comfortable overkill.
    I stick by my semi-serious suggestion of a vw Phaeton.

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    Having had 3 litre v6 diesel A4’s and A6, I’d recommend the larger class for that kind of motoring – just makes longer drives less fatiguing.

    It’s a shame you need a dog-friendly boot, as having driven an older VW Phaeton fairly recently, it was an incredibly relaxing drive with decent economy and you can find some real bargains with good mileage and specification.

    The other suggestion of A6 Allroad is also one I would have made. The air suspension gave an incredibly smooth drive compared to the standard A6 suspension – which wasn’t bad anyway.

    I haven’t driven enough 5 series or E classes in the last few years to make an informed comment.

    Also, another vote for what a great supportive and involved dad!

    And no the sat Nav isn’t clever. I took this up with BMW when I first got the car. There marketing says it looks at the journey and uses it appropriately. It doesn’t. I had a complaint lodged with them and they finally admitted it doesn’t.

    FD, I’m sure I remember you posting about the satnav at the time you got the car…?

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    Bear in mind that you won’t get a 5p/kWh tariff for an EV at the moment (well, you will, but you’ll pay 25p/kWh for your other use).

    We’re paying 5/15p but I am not sure for how much longer.

    Premier Icon Sui
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    the Bentley flying spur hybrid is pretty good on fuel, will do ~950kms on a full tank – plenty wafty enough – little pricy though.

    In seriousness though, the Phaeton’s are a good shout!

    Also, 40ppkwh at the services – b’strd rip off merchants..

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Also, 40ppkwh at the services – b’strd rip off merchants..

    That’s a good price. I paid 79p at an Ionity charger!

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    That’s a good price. I paid 79p at an Ionity charger!

    Bloodyhell. You should buy a 3l 6 cylinder diesel. I get 44mpg from mine 😜

    Can the OP confirm what he’s now buying, based on the question and subsequent answers, I assume a 1l 3 door hatch or a v10 Audi A8.

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    So this weekend going to test drive a 520d and 530d from the same dealer.

    All the motoring reviews have the BMW top of the pile for post 2017 comfort/quietness/motorway driving, surprised me that it sits above the Merc. I will hopefully get to the Merc dealership at the same time

    I have been trying to find said cars with adaptive cruise too. For some reason people just didn’t spec it! I can only find one G30 for sale in the UK that has it 🤷‍♂️ but it does look like a brilliant system to have

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    I have been trying to find said cars with adaptive cruise too.

    Good adaptive cruise is excellent tool for long drives, especially in traffic. I find that I’m much more less tired at destination with it. Lane keeping systems I don’t like, generally they work ok but occasional jerks at steering wheel are scary.

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    A chap who did some consulting at work had a 530e. Great BIK but would manage 3 miles on battery. Yes 3 miles!

    Developed a fault and BMW had to have a live link with HQ to fix it. Took many weeks and the 520d loan car had a higher BIK which was picked up by HMRC.

    The whole thing was a disaster as far as he was concerned. No benefit to lugging around a heavy battery and motor setup….when it worked.

    I do 20k miles a year in a mix of 3.0 and 2.0t petrol cars. Probably average a respectable 30mpg between the 2 of them.

    Diesels are far better than petrols for CO2, though. Just no good in towns.
    Us out of town folk should be driving Diesels fuelled by biodiesel and townies should be in EVs. That would be my way of getting our emissions down. Hybrids a total waste of time.

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