Yep. There it is. Religion. Still busy poisoning everything…

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  • Yep. There it is. Religion. Still busy poisoning everything…
  • globalti
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    The school is supposed to educate and should have had the balls to stand up to these idiots.

    Premier Icon epicyclo
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    I presume if enough Jewish and Muslim kids parents complain, the Chritian parents will circumcise their kids so they’re not “unclean”.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Poisoning everything?

    Divine intervention seems to have taken that website down. EDIT: It rises again!

    I wonder if the other 32 sets of parents should object to this year’s Nativity play, and get that cancelled too?

    Does seem rather cowardly of the school not to call the bluff of the few who moaned.

    Poisoning everything?

    Not everything.

    Just Woppit.

    Mr Woppit
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    Halfwit.

    I could make an obvious list to add to education, but if you can’t figure it out for yourself…

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    The school said the parents objected to the play’s portrayal of Samuel Wilberforce, a 19th century Church of England bishop who denigrated the theory of evolution.

    So really not a religious objection at all, but a complaint that a play for small children paints a bishop from the 1800s in a deliberately bad light becuase he disagreed with a very recent and at the time contentious theory and today we largely think his ideas were daft and the theory is right.

    Now I’ve not seen the play but it sounds like it ridicules someone for their religious beliefs. Yep we should definitely encourage kids to do that and defend their secular right to be bigoted.

    Mr Woppit
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    Yep. There it is. Religion. Still busy poisoning everything…

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    Wait, so someone used religious privilege to cancel a play discussing religious privilege?

    😆

    Mr Woppit
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    They were probably “offended” and you know how you just mustn’t offend, just in case there’s an offence. 🙄

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    So really not a religious objection at all, but a complaint that a play for small children paints a bishop from the 1800s in a deliberately bad light becuase he disagreed with a very recent and at the time contentious theory and today we largely think his ideas were daft and the theory is right.

    We’ll have no facts in Woppit’s montly religious bash thank you very much. You’re not from Blyth are you?

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    That isn’t about religion – that is about a poor headteacher being hounded by some extremists and feeling like it is one more argument that she/he can do without.

    Premier Icon Rusty Spanner
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    If man invented God, then surely the faults we attribute to religion are inherent in humanity?

    I read the third sentence as

    A parent told the NSS the objection was made on religious grounds by a small group of individuals with a Cretinist agenda.

    brakes
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    now that would be an ecumenical matter

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    If man invented God, then surely the faults we attribute to religion are inherent in humanity?

    Of course they are. That’s apparent isn’t it?

    Premier Icon dangeourbrain
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    A parent told the NSS the objection was made on religious grounds by a small group of individuals with a Creationist agenda

    Given the parent wasn’t party to the complaint and contradicts not only the school’s account but their intention to re schedule the play after editing bits of it, I’d read that as “a parent [in contact with the NSS so probably a militant anti religious type] with an extremist atheist agenda blamed parents with a religious point of view becuase it was another opportunity to blame the exclusionist, intollerant bigoted God botherers.”

    You’re not from Blyth are you?

    Sorry i must have missed that meme, or I’m just blithely ignorant.

    The Independent broke the story and says:

    As well as complaints around the portrayal of the English bishop Samuel Wilberforce, a number of Christian parents also had concerns about a song in the show about “bumping and grinding”.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/evolution-christian-darwin-school-play-cancel-parents-hartford-manor-cheshire-a8768691.html

    Seems much more likely (to me) that a smutty song was a big factor here and it’s been reported as a crazy Fundamentalist Christian story to jazz the story up a bit.

    A complete lack of direct quotes from the objectors suggests that either what they said was reasonable or that the paper has no idea what they said.

    Also, I wonder if someone might write a childs play about Darwin, and then put a smutty song in to get it banned and thus ensure maximum publicity?

    As with most newspaper output, I’d want to see a some detail before drawing any firm conclusions.

    Premier Icon Rusty Spanner
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    If course they are. That’s apparent isn’t it?

    Apparently not. 🙂

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    Sorry i must have missed that meme, or I’m just blithely ignorant.

    It’s from the Woppit gospels he thinks everyone from Blyth is stupid as they have different views than him.

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    Stephen Evans, CEO of the National Secular Society, said: “We’re seeing a worrying trend of parents pressuring headteachers and threatening to withdraw cheers when teaching doesn’t fit their, often narrow, worldview.

    Some what ironic I really do think.

    mickmcd
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    We were having this discussion the other day about sending people to colonise other planets

    Would you send religion

    Be interesting to see if different guide books were sent what the outcome would be in 2000 years time

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    Who on earth reads secularism.org ?

    Premier Icon Trailrider Jim
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    We were having this discussion the other day about sending people to colonise other planets

    Would you send religion

    The fact anyone’s even prepared to ask this question in 2019 makes me lose all hope of humankind’s enlightenment. Religion is a bunch of rivalling organised cults from the dark ages using fairy tales to control the masses and generate revenue for the corrupt, privileged few. Gods are not real, ok?

    Premier Icon bearnecessities
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    That should do it.

    pitduck
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    Trailrider Jim has it, why no like button?

    Did anyone else open the thread just to confirm their guess about the OP…

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    Gods are not real, ok?

    But you would impose a ban on believing that they are?

    mickmcd
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    The fact anyone’s even prepared to ask this question in 2019 makes me lose all hope of humankind’s enlightenment. Religion is a bunch of rivalling organised cults from the dark ages using fairy tales to control the masses and generate revenue for the corrupt, privileged few.

    So a no from her then

    On a positive though it’s proven religion…can get a party started.

    Maybe a good start would be to stop using religion or god as a convenient excuse – why not just cut to the chase and start with the premise that humans poison everything they touch…

    kerley
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    Who on earth reads secularism.org ?

    You have religions and a small number of people in those religions who are nutters. You have non religious people and a small number of non religious people who are nutters. The latter nutters are reading secularism.org

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    Who on earth reads <span class=”skimlinks-unlinked”>secularism.org</span> ?

    Those with a very narrow minded view.

    Mr Woppit
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    Surprised it wasn’t happening in Blyth, TBH.

    You know, where drec, sorry cac, sorry, er, drac … or something… comes from.

    Evidently.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Not Blyth.

    Thanks for the message by the way very thoughtful.

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    Mr Woppit, I agree 100% with you when it comes to the absurdity of fundamentalist approach to religion. And with the idea that religion should have any sway over the teaching of good science.

    BUT, it seems to me, fundamentalism in anything is destructive. A fundamentalist Tory; a fundamentalist Socialist; a fundamentalist Christian; Muslim… It doesn’t matter. The real enemy is an unwillingness of people to engage, to learn, to be challenged. It’s that that leads to conflict, violence, ignorance, and stupidity.

    Which is all to say that the school in question should not give in to creationist parents.

    Trimix
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    I vote for Trailrider Jim

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    There’s no fun in fundamentalism

    Premier Icon timbog160
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    but there is a mental…..errr, or something…

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