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  • Why are website geeks so bloody hard to understand?
  • RudeBoy
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    So, following on from my ‘why don’t my buttons work’ thread last week, I ask my webgeek mate to help me do some nice buttons with rollover and hit states. Apparently, using Flash isn’t the way to do it.

    ‘So how do I do it, then?’

    ‘Use HTML’

    ‘How?’

    ‘give each of your links a class

    so put class=”button”, or something inside the < a> tag

    then in your stylesheet put:

    .button{

    width: button_graphic_width

    height: button_graphic_height

    display: inline-block;

    text-indent: -99999px;

    }

    oh and also

    background: url(‘/image/button_graphic’) 0 0 no-repeat;

    or wherever you put the button graphics

    then put:

    .button:hover

    {

    background: url(‘/image/button_graphic_rollover’) 0 0 no-repeat;

    }

    you might need a different class for each link because the rollovers are different colours

    or you could use two classes:

    class=”button green-button”

    and just change the button:hover to green-button:hover

    and so on for each different link

    there’ll be loads of examples on line

    make some kind of sense?’

    Er, no! I speak English, no some geek code. Can you not explain in real language, please?

    Apparently not.

    Do people lose the ability to communicate properly, when they get into doing all this ‘code’ stuff???

    FWIW; the buttons actually appear, and have their rollover and hit states, but clicking on them doesn’t actually do anything. I have to place linked text underneath, which kind of defeats the object.

    **** Geeks. I woon’t mind, but it’s us ‘arty types’ with a sense of aesthetics, that make your stuff look good! Who looks at the bloody code? Only other geeks!

    FFS.

    Premier Icon miketually
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    Get back to your crayons and leave the site-building to the people who understand it 😉

    Who looks at the bloody code? Only other geeks!

    And web browsers, which are what make the pretty pictures appear.

    You could always stick with your pretty Flash buttons that don’t work, and may well be illegal.

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    so someone complaining about the use of jargon includes ‘FWIW’ and ‘FFS’ in their rantm with no apparent irony intended…

    RudeBoy
    Member

    Illegal??? WTF???

    Marvellous.

    So I’m a criminal, now???

    I was asking for advice that I could understand. It wasn’t explained to me in a way that I could.

    ‘How can I, a non-geek, make nice buttons with rollover and hit states? I don’t understand HTML, Java, or any of that other stuff, I need instructions in plain English. is that too much to ask?’

    It appears so…

    Premier Icon miketually
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    so someone complaining about the use of jargon includes ‘FWIW’ and ‘FFS’ in their rantm with no apparent irony intended…

    Before he edited it (twice, I think), his post wasn’t formatted properly either 🙂

    warton
    Member

    so you want someone to explain how to do a techie piece of work, without him showing you how to do it??? RTFM or stop whinging and be thankful hes taken time out to help you do something which you couldn’t do by yourself

    IanMunro
    Member

    Do people lose the ability to communicate properly, when they get into doing all this ‘code’ stuff???

    That’s a bit like complaining when you go abroad that foriegners should put more effort into their ability to speak English 🙂

    Premier Icon miketually
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    Illegal??? WTF???

    Marvellous.

    So I’m a criminal, now???

    Disability Discrimination Act. Flash navigation is a major accessibility no no.

    soobalias
    Member

    i dont understand your point.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    How are you supposed to learn Chinese if they can’t speak English?

    computers are very stupid – you have to make up the shortfall…

    RudeBoy
    Member

    LOL!

    Before he edited it (twice, I think), his post wasn’t formatted properly either

    It’s so true. I was thinking ‘WTF is going on here??’ -everything I typed out appeared as a link!

    How are you supposed to learn Chinese if they can’t speak English?

    Ah, at least SOMEBODY understands what I’m getting at!!!

    I don’t know this code stuff. I asked for an explanation that I could understand. I got the above code gobbledygook.

    Not helpful.

    Premier Icon glenh
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    So you want to write a program, but you don’t want to understand the language you need to write it in….

    warton
    Member

    so how would he explain it then? write about 3 pages of test, that would eventually have to use the code you don’t understand.
    I don’t understand quantum phsyics, if I needed to understand it I’d buy a book and read it, I wouldn’t hassle a friend, then get upest when i didn’t understand what he was talking about…

    RudeBoy
    Member

    NO! I DON’T WANT TO WRITE A BLOODY PROGRAM! I WANT TO PUT SOME SIMPLE **** BUTTONS INTO A SIMPLE **** WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!

    I’m using Dreamweaver, which is for us non-geeks to be able to produce simple websites. The rest of the site is fine, just not the buttons.

    Which incidentally, work fine on my Mac, in Safari, but nowhere else.

    The Geek has NO answer to that one, does he?

    warton
    Member

    err yes he will have an answer, namely: different browsers ‘read’ code in different ways…

    Do you know what a browser is?

    GaryLake
    Member

    Sorry RudeBoy but you can only symplify things so much. If you asked Stephen Hawkin to explain some of his work to you, it’d be fair to expect you to perhaps need at least physics degree first, maybe more.

    If you can’t understand what you were told, it’s not your mates fault, you’re just not equipped with the basic skills required to do html and css.

    I asked for an explanation that I could understand

    some things are complicated, and can take, hours, days or years to learn. They cannot necessarily be explained in a few pithy sentences

    IanMunro
    Member

    The Geek has NO answer to that one, does he?
    He’s probably feinting ignorance. It’s quite a handy thing to do in these situations 🙂

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    “work fine on my Mac, in Safari, but nowhere else.

    The Geek has NO answer to that one, does he? “

    where 2 or 3 geeks are gathered together browser compatability issues is not far down the agenda of items to be discussed and have heads shaken over.

    I’m using Dreamweaver

    there’s your big mistake, this was fashioned by the Antichrist 🙁

    Premier Icon tomdebruin
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    Well it’s very straight forward but I appreciate there is a bit of a learning curve.

    First – HTML: this defines what your page does, and what it is made of.
    e.g.
    Singletrack
    is a hyperlink written html.

    Secondly, the CSS is how you decide what each of the html elements will look like. CSS is ‘Cascading Style Sheet’ because the styles cascade, that is their properties get passed down to their child elements.

    So if I wanted to style that hyperlink I just wrote I’d give it a class.

    Singletrack

    and style it (in my CSS file)
    .callmewhateveryoulike {
    width: 25px;
    height: 15px;
    any other properties you want this to have…
    }

    the best way to learn is too look at the source code of websites. There are many HTML elements, and many styles that can be applied.

    The above example is a very simple one.

    EDIT: this forum is turning all my code into actual markup – just view source!

    Premier Icon Dougal
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    If it were easy to do everything, then no-one would make any money doing it. There has to be a line somewhere, buttons are it in this case. You have to get off your backside and learn it, or else pay someone to do it.

    Very poor rant.

    IanMunro
    Member

    Have you tried switching it off and on again?

    Premier Icon woody2000
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    main() {
    printf(“hello, Stupid!”);
    }

    🙂

    GaryLake
    Member

    If it were easy to do everything, then no-one would make any money doing it. There has to be a line somewhere, buttons are it in this case. You have to get off your backside and learn it, or else pay someone to do it.

    Very poor rant.

    A justified rant though – I wouldn’t make a living doing this if it was easy but it’s amazing how every seems to thing making a website is something that just anybody should be able to do.

    Christ, I’ve been doing this for nearly a decade and I’m still in awe at how awesome some others people are at this!

    but it’s amazing how every seems to thing making a website is something that just anybody should be able to do

    it is! Making a good website is much harder 🙂

    kbsa
    Member

    gees… quite a rant considering that the only issue seems to be you don’t understand html/css.

    If I was your ‘**** geek’ mate I certainly wouldn’t be bothering to help you again…

    Premier Icon glenh
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    NO! I DON’T WANT TO WRITE A BLOODY PROGRAM! I WANT TO PUT SOME SIMPLE **** BUTTONS INTO A SIMPLE **** WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!

    Further evidence of where the problem lies. A website is a program.

    Premier Icon glenh
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    Damn, and this program doesn’t seem to allow me to delete a post when I’ve accidentally clicked twice, only edit it!

    Its a classic thing to do to protect your professional interests – create a language that outsiders cannot understand to increase the myth of how hard it is to do.

    Medicalese is another example. used to protect the closed shop of healthcare workers and to prevent them being questioned.

    andym
    Member

    Seems to me your friend went to a lot of trouble to help. The fact that you expect to be able to write a set up a website without apparently wanting to make the effort of understanding HTML or Cascading Style Sheets (or doing any research for yourself) is your fault not his. Either take what he says on trust or go to the trouble of finding out for yourself.

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    TJ – a lot of professional language is developed because it allows people who understand the fundamentals of a subject to communicate complex ideas quickly and accurately. It’s not designed to create a closed shop, although it might serve that purpose as well.

    RudeBoy
    Member

    READY
    10 PRINT “BORED ALREADY”
    20 GOTO 10
    RUN

    That’s about as far as I ever wanted to go, with code…

    warton
    Member

    well why are you trying to write a website then?

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    so why are you ranting when someone suggests that you need to go further than an endless loop?

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    RudeBoy: websites are built using HTML and CSS. You really need to know at least a little of both them. Otherwise you are trying to build a house without knowing what bricks are or what keeps the roof on.

    Having said that, doesn’t Dreamweaver offer rollover buttons that don’t use Flash? I’m sure it must! (as others have said, Flash is a bad way to do this, your friend has the right general idea)

    RudeBoy
    Member

    FWIW, I used these same buttons in a website I made a few years ago, and they worked fine, as long as the correct FLash plugins were installed on whichever machine I wanted to view it on.

    I asked why my buttons don’t work. The geek say’s ‘do it in HTML’ instead.

    Not ‘I don’t know’.

    I am fairly fluent in Photoshop. Not bad in Illustrator. I can do simple animations using Flash, with some very simple interactivity. I’m a competent photographer. I can use all this to produce some nice graphicky stuff.

    All this bloke knows, is how to do code. He can’t do the pictures stuff; he has to come to me. And his sites look sh1t anyway; really nasty.

    And he’s fat.

    And has no hair.

    I win!

    wwaswas – you are probably right but it is used to exclude outsiders. Certainly in the medical world

    A website is a program.

    as a programmer, I would disagree. The web server is a program, but the actual content may just be plain data, though in practice most pages will contain some interactive scripting, which IS a program of a kind. HTML and CSS are content description languages, a bit like a shopping list

    That isn’t professional language though. It’s computer language. Which has to be exact and precise, because computers are stupid. They will only understand it if you get it right.

    The only jargon stuff that isn’t code is talking about HTML, css and classes, which are again technical terms you need to know, because they are how you communicate with the computer.

    The guy was giving a surprisingly clear answer to something – but assuming at least a basic knowledge of HTML, which given it’s the language websites are written in, is not surprising.

    There are a million tutorials on the web about how to do this that might help you learn this stuff, start here:
    <http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=css+rollover+buttons&meta=&btnG=Google+Search&gt;

    Also, be sure to test your site on something other than safari, it’s a bit of a wacky minority browser. If you only have a mac, then firefox is worth checking, although obviously at some point you need to load up Windows versions of Internet Explorer to try it out.

    Joe

    enfht
    Member

    Hope your mate doesnt read you coating his attempts to help you. Just a thought but maybe you shouldnt attempt to do it yourself if you dont like the answer he gives you FFS ! **** non-technical tw*ts !!!

    enfht
    Member

    **** geekist !!!

    enfht
    Member

    Stop using the G word its really offensive 😉

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