- Which of these two bikes would you chose?
It’s crazy isn’t it that aesthetics play such a big part in our bike buying decisions!
The Genesis is £180 cheaper, rides very well and I can get it from my LBS, which is both important from a convenience perspective (I don’t have to travel into London for a fitting then wait three weeks for delivery) and a loyalty perspective.
But it just doesn’t set the heart racing like the Condor does.
I can have the Condor with any build kit I want, but because the frame is more expensive than the Genesis (by about £250) it needs the cheaper Campag groupset to bring it as close to the Genesis price as possible.
Veloce is c.£400 whereas the 105 groupset is £600!Posted 6 years ago
As long as the Veloce isn’t plasticy & crap (I’ve used some low-end campag that was wrt ergo shifters) I’d get the Condor…the Genesis frame is no lightweight AFAIK (albeit it may ride well for that) and is likely to be more than the 1.8kg of the Condor.
For me it’s an emotional decision as well as as a rational one – the Genesis will make you think “what good value”…the Condor will inspire you to ride.Posted 6 years ago
My LBS described the difference between Campag and Shimano as being ‘one wear in while the other wears out’ 😆
I’m a sucker for a good looking and well put together frame! But then I am also a sucker for loyalty and supporting the people I consider my friends (the LBS). It’s a tough call.Posted 6 years agofirestarterSubscriber
Condor should fit right out of the box has imo a better pedigree. Tho not keen on campag myself. Personally I’d save the £180 for upgrading later as you know you’ll want to and stick with shimano, tho this decision is based purely on my dislike of campag as I’d rather have the condor frame . Hope that clears it up for you lol
I’d ask for the condor with 105 😉Posted 6 years agocrashtestmonkeyMember
borrowed a bike with campy veloce (bianchi via nerone or something) owned by a campag afficianado and it was hateful, I couldnt believe a system with so few gears could be so agricultural and poor.
Bought a bike with Shimano 105 and the difference is greater than that between alivio and XTR. If youre used to shimano and like it I’d either try campag first to see if you get on with it, or stick with what you know. To me the 105 is worth far more than £200 more than the campag.Posted 6 years ago
My LBS described the difference between Campag and Shimano as being ‘one wear in while the other wears out’
I’d never have a bike with campag
OMG…unsubstantiated myth/opinion a-go-go!
Having worked on hundreds of bikes with both…Shimano and campag are fine, and last as long as each other. It’s down to personal preference.Posted 6 years ago
Cynic-al thanks for the insight. Obviously I am very familiar with Shimano kit from the mountain biking, but I haven’t used Campag since about 1991 (I used to have it on my mountain bike!)
My experience of Campag at that time was that it just didn’t work as well and weighed more. But I am completely open minded about things now. Really the groupset is not that important to me and I’m only speccing the Veloce on the Condor because other wise the 105 kitted Acciaio would be £290 more than the Genesis.Posted 6 years agocrashtestmonkeyMember
Really the groupset is not that important to me
it will be when youre riding the bike for hours at a time and the gears are pants. I spent a summer on the borrowed bike (to see if I liked road riding) and havign not ridden one in 20yrs had no axe to grind or allegiance either way, but the groupset was so frustrating it did affect my enjoyment. Not unsubstantiated myth in this case, objective experience.
Try it you might like it and then you can be a euro/niche snob 🙂 , but I hated it.Posted 6 years ago
the dark side a dangerous place…hfth will stop selling mountain bikes at this rate.
I never thought I would go down that path, but the desire to get fit and the pressures of family life mean that having a road bike would double the opportunities I have to actually get out and ride.
the 2012 Giant Defy 105 blew the competition out of the water
It looks good on paper but it’s aluminium and I want to avoid Al because my back’s not in great condition and I don’t want anything that is bullet stiff to ride.Posted 6 years agoiaincSubscriber
It looks good on paper but it’s aluminium and I want to avoid Al because my back’s not in great condition and I don’t want anything that is bullet stiff to ride
fair point, although steel can be as harsh as aluminium depending on the frame build.
Back to your original question though : the Genesis for sure – looks lovely and for me Shimano every time..Posted 6 years agoJonEdwardsMember
It looks good on paper but it’s aluminium and I want to avoid Al because my back’s not in great condition and I don’t want anything that is bullet stiff to ride.
Don’t discount ally entirely – my ally Santacruz Roadster is more comfortable than my steel Condor Pista – as much as anything it’s down to variations in finishing kit, wheels and tyres.Posted 6 years ago
Don’t discount ally entirely – my ally Santacruz Roadster is more comfortable than my steel Condor Pista – as much as anything it’s down to variations in finishing kit, wheels and tyres.
Jon that’s a good point; a high quality, triple butted ally frame will have a lot of resilience as a result of that butting. My old Yeti ARC was similar in that regard to your SC.
BTW how’s life in the Peak? Hope you’re having fun.Posted 6 years agopoolmanMember
Condor for me.
I have an Italia with Veloce & love it. In fact, it’s 10 years old now & only just upgraded the wheels. No problems at all with Campag.
The quality is remembered long after the price – I have had loads of Condor bikes & never had a problem with any of them.Posted 6 years agoMrBlondMember
If you’re getting fitted at the shop Condor all the way – IMHO that’s worth a chunk of the difference in price from the off.
Ignoring the price difference (which is suspect is largely down to the relative strengths of the Euro and Yen) 105 and Veloce are roughly the same level.
I have a Condor with Veloce and I really like it 😉
Smaller disclaimer:Posted 6 years ago
I’ve had road bikes with both Shimano and Campag, they both work fine, I prefer the Campag shifters (complete opposite to iDave) but that’s about it. YMMV.
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