Which Kitchen Downlights??
So, looking at getting the lighting done in preparation for the new kitchen and I’m unsure which sort to go for.
Should I go for the 12v low voltage or the 240v mains voltage?
Any pro’s and cons between the 2? Looking at Screwfix webisite, the 240v is £70 cheaper for a 10 pack. Any reason for this cheapness I shold be aware of?
Any experience and opinion greater appreciated.Posted 6 years ago
I would happily get rid of mine and have tubes put in their place. Currently have two that don’t work then sometimes a third goes out, not the bulbs as have tried replacing. Electrician tells me they’re just a rubbish type, something to do with overheating.Posted 6 years agosaladdodgerMember
Buy cheap get cheap at the very least use fire rated downlighters about £12 each from Newey and eyre
I do not ponce about with 12v lights because 50w is 50w and there is no money to be saved in running costs infact when you also pay for transformers they cost alot more
Have a look at led downlighters phillips do some good ones ( againat neweys)
CG I will give you a call lets get you sorted ;o)Posted 6 years agoLiftmanMember
The 12volt down lighters are more expensive as they come with a transformer to take the voltage from 240v to 12v.
As someone has already said get the 240v versions and use gu10 led lamps, if you get good quality lamps they are just a bright as halogen but use a fraction of the power, ie 1.8 watts against 50 watts.Posted 6 years agodave_aberMember
Don’t be tempted by the B&Q cheapo set of 5 MR11 sized 12v ones. £20 for a set.
Really crap. MR11 bulbs are so small, they don’t really kick out much light @ 20W each. They pop all the time, and to add insult to injury B&Q don’t stock MR11 bulbs! (At least that means I have to buy them in bulk, online, cheap!)Posted 6 years agooldgitMember
Use a decent supplier.
I’d go 240V GU10 Fire rated with either 4 or 5W retro fit LEDs. Though any LED lamp under a tenner I’d be doubtful of.
240V GU10 cuts out the need for transformers, and certain LEDs are dimmable.
Another minor point. Those cheap downlights often have a wire clip retaining the lamp and the clip usually goes grotty after a while….not a good look. A decent one like Aurora has a twist lock retaining system which is easy to use and looks miles better.
And if you do stick any upstairs they do ones that can be directly covered with loft insulation, so no cold spots.Posted 6 years ago
Dibbs, the LED’s range from 1.5W to 7W and are switched in banks. The room is 50ft long with three functional zones, Kitchen, dining and TV/sofa. There are 4 wall lights at 9W CFL each.
If all the lights were on at the same time, then a total draw of about 4x9W + 10x7W + 6x5W + 20×1.5W = 171W,
but in actual use we rarely have more than the wall lights on, occasionally turning on the kitchen lights when cooking; 100W
There are 120x GU10s and 24x 9W CFLs in the barn ranging from £3.50 to £22.00 a unit. It was quite a capital outlay, but it was for a new build so had to be done anyway. And even if every light was turned on (extremely unlikely) would represent a maximum of about 600W. Actual peak lighting is around 250W for maybe an hour or two a night. The equivalent of 4x 60W incandescent bulbs. I got my green wings 😉
EDIT: BTW as oldgit mentions, good downlighter fittings are worth getting. There’s a lot of pressed tat out there. It took sometime to find the ones I wanted which are cast Aurora ones with the lugged lockring that oldgit mentions. Far superior and really not that expensive, about £4 each I think I paid in bulk from a wholesaler.Posted 6 years ago
PS, if anyone knows where I can get some inexpensive GU10, low W lamps like these prolite opti-stars with the lensed output Id be very interested. I want to use a few of them to sculpt the lighting in another room. I really want a very narrow, focussed/vignetted beam.
having said that, I think this looks like a cheap source
They use them in a local hotel to cast a bold spot mark on a wall. not to everyone’s taste, but I want to create an effect.Posted 6 years agofaintSubscriber
Just changed ours to GX53 13W bright white in a Planex fittings from Megaman, take a couple of minutes to warm up but it’s like an operating theatre after. We use these for our “task” lighting, for general walking through and “ambient” light we have a couple of low energy bulbs hanging from rosesPosted 6 years agoJonEdwardsMember
As everone else has said – Mains voltage GU10s. At least then you can upgrade to LEDs progressively over time, even if you can’t afford to do it there and then.
Wattage wise, it seems to be a bout a factor of 5 LED:Halogen. ie 7W LED=35W halo, 10W LED=50W Halo.
3000K or 3500K is about right for internal use, but be a bit wary of some of the unbranded ones as the colour rendering can be a bit strange – reds and greens will come out very flat, whilst blues will have loads more “pop” than normal. The Philips Master and Osram Parathom ones are pretty good.Posted 6 years ago
Avoid B & Q! As well as kitchen lights playing up, also had problem with shower room light switching off whilst using shower. Surprise surprise B & Q again!
saladdodger – currently spending megabucks on sorting out heating (power flush) and electricals (CH programmer unit has been relocated). Just making sure that when my riding buddies visit, they will be warm. 🙂Posted 6 years agooldgitMember
The £2.99 jobs probably aren’t CE approved. I’ve seen them, they look like they’re working well but I’d never hide them in my ceilings.
I’ve seen a few fittings burn out and become a fire risk due to the use of poor or incorrect lamps.
JonEdwarsd you’re a bit over there 6/7W LEDs are a credible 50W replacementPosted 6 years agoSonorMember
The best “retro-fit” Gu10 LED bulbs we’ve used so far are Philip’s 7Watt master in warm white(2700k). They are dimmable, but are a little pricey.
If we were installing in a new build, then I would always go for a dedicated LED fitting such as JCC fireguard LED7 downlighters. Having been installing LEDs for the last three years or so, these are the ones that have come pretty darn close to matching the colour rendering of Halogens.(2700k)Posted 6 years agonellypMember
I’ll second what Sonor said:
JCC fireguard LED7 downlighters.
And they come with a 10 year warranty, the only downside is price, about £40 plus VAT, but worth it in my opinion.
If you want something for a little less go with these
about £8 and then add a Kosnic LED lamp for about £12.
We’ve fitted many of these and it’s all good quality kit.Posted 6 years ago
Thanks for all your responses guys, some very interesting stuff – and here I was thinking a light’s a light!!
So I’ve done some t’interweb surfing and looked at a couple of the brands mentioned previously and I was thinking that these might be the ones to go for.
They don’t come with the LED bulbs but I can retrofit these once the kitchen’s done and funds allow.
Anyone any experience of these – or are there any alternatives which are pretty much the same.Posted 6 years agopetefromearthMember
“Don’t be tempted by the B&Q cheapo set of 5 MR11 sized 12v ones. £20 for a set.”
Big fat ditto. They are rubbish!
The design is very cheap and basic. The supplied bulbs are not that bright, but fitting higher power bulbs wont work as the supply is not powerful enough. I haven’t had any issue finding bulbs, which is just as well because they frequently blow.
I wish I’d spent a bit more on something decent! Once installed its a faff to change them.Posted 6 years agocouldashouldawouldaMember
Welcome to the forum nick4u1. That’s an interesting first post.
We retro fitted those SMD LEDs Rickmeister recommends to our GU10s. They are nearly as bright as the 50w halogens they replaced. Even though they are meant to be “warm white” they do have a slight magenta tinge to them and might be a bit clinical – kind of suits our kitchen though.
Still they use 90% less power and were £3.50 each so Im not going to complain.Posted 6 years agochickenmanSubscriber
Oh why, oh why do people fit downlighters?? No light gets reflected off the ceiling so you need 4 times as much energy to light a room compared to a pendant fitting. Fashion is king I guess.Posted 6 years ago
I’ve just been to see a job where false ceilings are being installed throughout a tenament in order to fit downlighters throughout(cornices vanishing in the process)!?!
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