The Coronavirus Discussion Thread.

I’ve got my first case of Covid, had it since Saturday, and still tested positive today. Feel fine other than a bit of an annoying cough.

was it worth writing off 3 years of his life hiding away for something he’s been into hospital with and now being out within a week?

You might be missing the small point that for the first year of this we had no vaccines to help protect people, and now the most vulnerable have had five, maybe six doses. The fact that this chap has been in hospital for a week despite that level of protection might be a hint that shielding was a decent idea when he had none.

I was told to shield initially and five vaccines later I finally got it just before Christmas, very trivial in itself, but the pneumonia that followed wasn’t. So I’m fairly satisfied that it was the right decision.

There seems to be another unexpected consequence of the complex impacts of getting infected:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/18/up-to-one-20-new-diabetes-cases-could-linked-covid-study

It’s not surprising if you consider Covid for what it is, a virus whose problems are inflammatory and immune system related, rather than just a respiratory illness like, say, influenza.

There are lots of conditions, diabetes included, which are potentially driven by inflammation. The most obvious other one is cardiovascular disease.

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o378

We don’t know what the long-term legacy of repeat infections, and the severity of those, is yet. We probably won’t find out for a decade.

For those with short memories, at the time of the first lockdown we were within a few days of hitting something like 10,000 deaths per day, there would have been bodies abandoned to rot at home in their beds and there would have been a complete collapse of all healthcare for everyone for a period of time.

It wouldn’t have lasted 3 years of course, but it would have killed and disabled a large number in a short space of time.

Picking up on a sensible point/question from the previous page.

Yes, I’ve noticed an uptick in middle aged people being pretty poorly with whatever variant of covid is going around at the minute. I’ve no idea about their vaccination status, but they seem like functioning adults so I would guess they are as vaccinated as can be. It certainly isn’t going away, but we are now in the living with it stage so a certain level is to be tolerated. That is a result of vaccination and little else – the being able to live with it acceptably, that is.

It sounds as though the latest variant of covid – Arcturus causes more fever.
This would explain why more people are quite poorly and it seems to take a while to recover.

we keep an eye on reported cases here at my practices, nothing detailed, just reported symptoms, numbers, v casual discussion round the table. There’s no pattern that I can see, total spectrum of reported symptoms all the way from nothing at all, through headaches, shivers, through to full on flu-like, TBH same as it’s always been.

Regarding inflammation, this is interesting.

https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2023/05/key-fighting-chronic-inflammation-severe-covid

…”Dr Larisa Labzin and Professor Kate Schroder from UQ’s Institute for Molecular Bioscience, with Dr Sarah Londrigan at the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity, have discovered that most immune cells which contribute to chronic inflammation are not infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus which causes COVID-19.

Dr Labzin said instead of triggering a protective response to eliminate the virus, these uninfected cells called macrophages detect damage and death in neighbouring cells and trigger a strong inflammatory response.

“There is an imbalance in the immune response because most macrophages are not infected with the virus,” Dr Labzin said.

“We end up with too many immune cells coming to the site of infection causing a whole lot of collateral damage – too much inflammation and not enough virus fighting.

“It’s a double-edged sword for the body: the immune system tackling an infectious disease early on is protective, but when it’s prolonged or excessive, it can really drive chronic inflammation.”

The IMB research team is investigating how to selectively target macrophages without compromising the body’s ability to fight against the virus, in order to reduce the incidence of severe COVID.”

Well, considering the similarities between other Post Viral Fatigue symptoms and the most common forms of Long Covid, that comes as no surprise Reeksy. Will check out the link, thanks.

My dad got it 2 weeks ago and is still rough now. He is 83 and has cancer though, so not unexpected. Fully vaccinated and stupidly thought he was now immune to it, went and saw friend who had it and had symptoms two days later.

Yes, I’ve noticed an uptick in middle aged people being pretty poorly with whatever variant of covid is going around at the minute. I’ve no idea about their vaccination status, but they seem like functioning adults so I would guess they are as vaccinated as can be.

I’m 42 and haven’t qualified for a vaccine for nearly 2 years now, know loads of people in the same situation around the same age. That’s probably driving the high infection rate with rough symptoms for a lot of us. I’m still amazed I haven’t had it yet!

Quite an interesting, if slightly bizarre in places read on the BBC site. I wonder if Stew Peters posts on here?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-65412798

“Perhaps one of the most surreal moments of our interview came when we asked Mr Peters about the on-field collapse of American football player Damar Hamlin. The Died Suddenly Twitter account jumped on the news in early January, using the #DiedSuddenly hashtag and linking the player’s injury to Covid vaccines.
Mr Hamlin is still alive…But Mr Peters continues to insist Mr Hamlin “died suddenly”.”

In late July 2022 I had Covid for the second time, it was no worse than a mild cold and lasted three or four days. Back then I would consider myself to be a fit seventy year old and mountain biking on at least three days a week.
At the beginning of October I had the Covid and flu vaccinations on the same day. Shortly after my nose felt blocked. I saw my doctor who said I had an infection in my nose. Following a course of antibiotics there was no improvement and I was sent to see an ear, nose and throat specialist and again diagnosed with an infection. Stronger antibiotics prescribed. At the same time I started with a pain in my lower leg which I put down to a pulled muscle from mountain biking. I went on holiday for a couple of weeks and during the holiday developed pain in both legs and difficulty breathing. On returning from holiday I was now having difficulty walking and ended up in hospital for eight days where following numerous tests and scans I was diagnosed with ANCA vasculitis, a quite rare disease. Vasculitis is the name for a group of conditions that cause inflammation of the blood vessels. By the time of diagnosis I could only get round in a wheel chair.
There is no cure for vasculitis, though following the treatment I’m having the hope is it will go into remission for approximately five years before there is a 50% chance of it returning.
I am now able to ride my mountain bike again but struggle to do more than three miles of forest road.
It is believed that vasculitis can be in your genes and something then starts it off. I wonder if it was the covid or the vaccinations that kicked off my vasculitis.
Due to my low immunity I have been offered the latest covid booster vaccination but due to my treatment may not be able to have it for a number of months.
Sorry this is so long but I just thought I would relate my experience since having covid and the vaccinations. Whether they are related no one will say or knows.

That sounds really rough and massively frustrating.

It sounds as though the latest variant of covid – Arcturus causes more fever.

Certainly what im currently experiencing after testing positive yesterday.

I am now able to ride my mountain bike again but struggle to do more than three miles of forest road.
It is believed that vasculitis can be in your genes and something then starts it off. I wonder if it was the covid or the vaccinations that kicked off my vasculitis.

Sorry to hear all this. I can relate – COVID seems to have kicked off Ankylosing Spondylitis (a type of arthritis) in my case. I am 43 and seriously considering buying a walking stick for the mornings 😐

Unfortunately I am apparently not eligible for the extra vaccines!

I do recommend an Ebike if you can afford one though – I can’t really ride my normal bike any more, but on a good day I can do 10-15 miles on the ebike, which is an absolute mental health godsend.

Good luck.

Good luck to you to, hope things get better for you. I’m going to give it another few months and see how things are going and if things are not improving then an E bike will be on order.

The evidence continues to mount, and whichever way you look at it, it seems that it is not looking great for the vaccines:

Covid 19 Enquiry Witness Statement

Just don’t give it what it feeds on and it will go back under it’s bridge.

So it would appear that the vaccines were indeed a type of gene therapy, as confirmed by the CEO of Bayer no less:

Bayer CEO

Oh and even the FDA confirmed that too:

Suppose this makes the FDA conspiracy theorists too then?

Do you have any real links. Or just random Twitter nonsense youve tried to hide by not using the normal twitter link.

Yes, I’ve noticed an uptick in middle aged people being pretty poorly with whatever variant of covid is going around at the minute. I’ve no idea about their vaccination status, but they seem like functioning adults so I would guess they are as vaccinated as can be.

Im not eligible for any boosters and haven’t been for some time now. Currently I have another 29 years to wait until Im eligible again.

I suspect a lot of middle aged people are simply losing the protection offered by waning vaccines.

What is a real link?

There were plenty of links to official figures/data and a link to the FDA documentation I posted? Are these real?

Or do real links only come from sources (mostly funded by Pfizer) that you agree with?

Which troll is Jane Yates? I get confused with all the new / old / repeat members

One of the links contains another link which explains how it’s not gene therapy so it’s probably worth Jane checking through her own links before posting them up 👍

What? As in di their own research?

just don’t engage. It really isn’t worth the electrons.

Which troll is Jane Yates?

That’s a bit mean. Jane has obviously registered on stw especially to share this very important information.

Im not eligible for any boosters and haven’t been for some time now. Currently I have another 29 years to wait until Im eligible again.

I suspect a lot of middle aged people are simply losing the protection offered by waning vaccines.

Coming up for 6 months since my last booster. I expect there will be another in 6 months time, coinciding with the flu vaccine?

Only for the over 50s and the vulnerable I would expect.

Well, thats still an improvement on the Spring Booster
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Presumably accounting for reduced transmission over the warmer months lead to the age being set so high.

The Autumn/Winter 22 programme in Scotland was 50+ unless health or work put you into a priority group

Only for the over 50s and the vulnerable I would expect.

I qualify on at least one of those counts 😄

Jane Yates : The evidence continues to mount, and whichever way you look at it, it seems that it is not looking great for the vaccines:

You are John Campbell (YouTube shill) and I claim my 99p finders fee.

Has this been posted?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65532879

Ms Wolf, a journalist and author, was interviewed about the roll-out of the Covid vaccine during Mr Steyn’s hour-long show on the news channel.

So well qualified to have an opinion on the matter then.

So I got a text message to book a booster jab, all ok and thought I’d book mums at the same time.
Today she’s refusing to have “any more stuff in me” claims she only interacts with a few people etc etc.

Anyone else had this with parents?

Coming up for 6 months since my last booster.

Had my last one and it provided about three months of protection. The subsequent infection was very mild, however, so for that I am grateful. Was only positive for a week this time, but still had the sinusitis.

I did my own research 😉

From the people that matter, here is a definition of Gene Therapy: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/what-gene-therapy . Plenty of agents are administered to modify gene expression, I’m working on some interference RNAs that silence some genes (notably ones from pathogens at the moment, these aren’t gene therapy per se, in the same way that mRNA vaccines are not. I also worked on one that was a gene therapy and introduced by viral vector to autologous (i.e., the patient’s own) stem cells harvested from blood. Modified and then put back into the patient. It’s like magic, as a certain A. C. Clarke night have opined.

I won’t be taking any Spring booster if offered. I am now 4-4 for vaccines and infections, so probably have enough pathogen epitope history by now (I hope) 😀

I won’t be taking any Spring booster if offered. I am now 4-4 for vaccines and infections, so probably have enough pathogen epitope history by now (I hope)

Do you think that holds for people who were originally classed as vulnerable, or who haven’t (to their knowledge) had repeat infections in addition to vaccines?