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  • Poopscoop
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    Vioxx

    He’s off again! Some drug from the 90’s removed from the market.

    What this had to do with the covid vaccine only be and the Illuminati know!

    I’m at the point where I want to see a link from a ping pong fan site telling us we are sheeple and need to do even more of our own research.

    tjagain
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    Roger – Ill give one example of why levels of expertise is important.

    Early on in all this “Dr” John Campbell was claiming that poor injection technique was causing vaccine injuries particularly that we were not being trained to aspirate after putting the needle in and before giving the injection.  This seems highly plausible on the surface and has some foundation in fact.

    However when I looked into it he was claiming the equipment that was used was long wide bore demountable needles

    in fact this is decades out of date and no longer used.  Actually impossible with the covid vaccines in use in the UK as the do not have demountable needles but are an all in one syringe and needle using short fine bore needles

    so my expertise was able to spot this major flaw in what otherwise was plausible.  a lay person would not have been able to spot this bit of misinformation that invalidated his entire argument and might have been convinced by his bogus claims

    grahamt1980
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    It refers to a drug made by merck that was withdrawn about 15 years ago due to cardio vascular damage and merck screwed up their testing and there is more than a hint of fraud around the data.

    martinhutch
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    If you have any kind words for Roger, he won’t be around for long, so make it quick. We are speedrunning the bugger these days.

    gobuchul
    Free Member

    It’s not a conspiracy – it’s all in plain sight. But if you mention it, or mention the un-democratic influence it has over global and national policy and health and science etc, then the spoon-fed cattle will call you a conspiracy theorist.

    The WEF is just another, pretty shitty IMO, NGO. Campaigning and lobbying on behalf of their members interests. Just like many other, shitty, right wing neoliberals. They just want to make more money. Or is it controlled by the Elders of Zion? Makes you think.

    roger melrose
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    Roger – Ill give one example of why levels of expertise is important.

    Early on in all this “Dr” John Campbell was claiming that poor injection technique was causing vaccine injuries particularly that we were not being trained to aspirate after putting the needle in and before giving the injection. This seems highly plausible on the surface and has some foundation in fact.

    However when I looked into it he was claiming the equipment that was used was long wide bore demountable needles

    in fact this is decades out of date and no longer used. Actually impossible with the covid vaccines in use in the UK as the do not have demountable needles but are an all in one syringe and needle using short fine bore needles

    so my expertise was able to spot this major flaw in what otherwise was plausible. a lay person would not have been able to spot this bit of misinformation that invalidated his entire argument and might have been convinced by his bogus claims

    Okay so with your knowledge of healthcare, what’s wrong with what Andrew Bridgen said then? What’s not right about the data he presented in his speech? Here it is again to make it easy for you:

    Andrew Bridgen speech

    You still haven’t told us? You keep on avoiding the question.

    matt_outandabout
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    Really, how can you be sure? Considering for almost everyone except the elderly it was a very mild illness.

    You know the Actual Risk Reduction provided by the Pfizer vaccine was less than 1%? And that was against mild to moderate symptoms, not hospitalisation or death. From their own clinical trial data. But you knew this, right?

    https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj-2021-068632

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35291437/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9375253/

    http://www.immunodeficiencyuk.org/whatarepids/management/covid19vaccinesandimmnodeficiency

    (I can keep going if you like)

    Poopscoop
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    grahamt1980
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    It refers to a drug made by merck that was withdrawn about 15 years ago due to cardio vascular damage and merck screwed up their testing and there is more than a hint of fraud around the data.

    Indeed and that’s the problem. Conspiracy nuts point to an aberration and try to infer that that is the norm. It simply isn’t but it’s a classic conspiracy tactic.

    hightensionline
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    Cheerio!

    theotherjonv
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    You tell me, but the official data as presented by Andrew Bridgen MP in parliament is showing at least 1 serious adverse even per 800 doses.

    That’s what he said. Do you disagree with this? If so, where is your evidence that this is not the case.

    Hang on, you said it was 1/800 hospitalisations per dose. Can we please go back and you show me your working on that before I devote time to your next (and may I say, more credible) claim.

    You said it was the German minister that said that and linked to the Unherd report which didn’t seem to have that claim, in the article or the linked paper.

    So again, where does that claim of 1/800 hospitalisations come from please? And where are they being hospitalised (it’s not for me to tell you because I’m nigh on 100% sure there aren’t up to 2.8M extra hospitalisations in the UK)

    grahamt1980
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    Agreed, i can give some more examples if he wants.
    Tegenero is a good example of a trial gone bad.

    A good book to read is bad pharma by ben goldacre. A bit old now but should be required reading by anyone in the industry

    roger melrose
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    Conspiracy nuts point to an aberration and try to infer that that is the norm. It simply isn’t but it’s a classic conspiracy tactic.

    It is the norm dickhead.

    Pharmaceutical fines

    An this doesn’t include the many thousands of out of court settlements.

    Poopscoop
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    It is the norm dickhead.

    Hunny, don’t be like that.x

    I’ll be sure to raise all your points when I next see my haemotologist and tell him you said to stop the chemo as he is a Nazi trying to kill me.

    Ok hun?

    martinhutch
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    It’s always the brief descent into abuse before the ban that gets me giggling.

    tjagain
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    Okay so with your knowledge of healthcare, what’s wrong with what Andrew Bridgen said then? What’s not right about the data he presented in his speech? Here it is again to make it easy for you:

    Got a transcript or a summary?  I am not risking throwing my computer out of the window getting annoyed by his windbaggery?

    this appears to be a decent rubuttal of his claims and better than i could do

    https://fullfact.org/health/andrew-bridgen-vaccine-safety-debate/

    roger melrose
    Free Member

    Haha FullFact, don’t make me laugh. A bunch of journalists. You know who funds them right?

    tpbiker
    Free Member

    Surely if you are going to join a forum soley to discuss covid vaccines, you wouldn’t pick a mountain biking forum?

    Roger, what’s your thoughts on the new sram group set launch? You thinking of upgrading or will the wireless connectivity give us all cancer?

    grahamt1980
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    It is the norm dickhead.

    Pharmaceutical fines

    An this doesn’t include the many thousands of out of court settlements

    Now compare your “numbers” against the numbers of medicines in the market (both cx and rx please) and give me ratio for the number of industry issues against the number of medicines

    roger melrose
    Free Member

    Got a transcript or a summary? I am not risking throwing my computer out of the window getting annoyed by his windbaggery?

    Now there’s someone with an open mind for you! Haha!

    Poopscoop
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    roger melrose
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    Haha FullFact, don’t make me laugh. A bunch of journalists. You know who funds them right?

    Fair enough, it is YOUR job to make us laugh after all.

    You’ve succeeded too.👍😂

    martinhutch
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    Roger, what’s your thoughts on the new sram group set launch? You thinking of upgrading or will the wireless connectivity give us all cancer?

    AXS of evil. Makes you think.

    roger melrose
    Free Member

    Now compare your “numbers” against the numbers of medicines in the market (both cx and rx please) and give me ratio for the number of industry issues against the number of medicines

    Do you mean medicines that have gone through a full and thorough approval process lasting 8-12 years, or those of an ‘experimental’ nature rushed through under emergency use authorisation where contracts were signed to protect the manufacturers from any liability from harm?

    Poopscoop
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    Tick tock…

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    AXS of evil. Makes you think.

    Well done you!👍

    Poopscoop
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    Well, the lettuce beat him. He’s gone.

    I’ll actually miss him a little bit, I’ll go watch Ancient Aliens instead.

    grahamt1980
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    All medicines please (just to clear up a common misconception eua does not mean no approval, it changes the risk analysis and the method of review the volume of data needed would be approximately the same over time), you brought up vioxx not me, and that had been approved. Plus the issues and court cases you mentioned are for approved drugs. Admittedly some of the cases relate to off label inappropriate use, but still they were approved.
    I am impressed by your ability to switch to a different attack line whenever challenged, just a shame you can’t do that with your own viewpoint

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    Well, the lettuce beat him. He’s gone.

    Until next time, friend.

    grahamt1980
    Full Member

    Aww i was waiting on his latest unfounded response. Has gotten me through a dull morning

    onewheelgood
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    Starts off almost reasonable but with a reference from a very untrustworthy source

    Consistently fails to provide evidence for claims but links either to irrelevant material or material that doesn’t say what they claim it does

    Becomes increasingly unhinged and starts with the shadowy hidden forces manipulating governments for unexplained reasons

    Throws abuse at other posters who have been nothing but polite (if a bit exasperated)

    I think what comes next is the explicit pornography, isn’t it? That’s how it’s gone every time before.

    <edit> Oh, gone before the porn. Progress, of a sort. </edit>

    Poopscoop
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    He shall return. At a moment of national crisis, when the population needs a defender, a hero if you will… He shall return.

    Poopscoop
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    onewheelgood
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    Starts off almost reasonable but with a reference from a very untrustworthy source

    Consistently fails to provide evidence for claims but links either to irrelevant material or material that doesn’t say what they claim it does

    I do think it’s the same person that seems to do this every month or two. The MO is always the same, as you say- Almost reasonable at first then descends into a whole world of paranoia. Its probably a regular poster but creates these alter egos to try and prove “something”? Pertussis he really thinks he is trying to help us? I don’t know.

    Being totally serious here for a moment, I wonder if the posts are some release valve for something deeper going on on his head?

    Perhaps I shouldn’t have taken the pee so much. I’ll think on that. It’s just that it’s so bloody exhausting to read the same stuff over and over.

    grahamt1980
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    Pertussis he really thinks he is trying to help us? I don’t know.

    I know that is a typo, but it is properly relevant when talking about vaccines

    Poopscoop
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    ^^ Ha, what an odd/ relevant typo for my mobile to come up with, as you say.

    theotherjonv
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    bloody left wing echo chamber…. i was having fun

    dyna-ti
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    I had adverse effects from my vaccination. I had a sore arm and spiked a temperature for a few hours

    I was hoping for something similar to a euphoric coke hit.

    I was disappointed 🙁

    dissonance
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    Oh, gone before the porn. Progress, of a sort.

    Not sure about that. Surely the porn would have been a reward for putting up with the rubbish.
    I was hoping to ask about how the list of pharma fines supported his argument about them being unaccountable.

    Getting back on track I also got covid a couple of weeks back. Think for the same time unless previously it was symptom free.
    No loss of taste or anything just went paddling on Saturday morning and whilst not feeling in the mood nothing obvious wrong. Midafternoon serious muscle pain and then headaches. Had a week of feeling tired and on/off headaches.
    Be interesting to see how the spin class goes tonight since first proper pressure.

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    Be interesting to see how the spin class goes tonight since first proper pressure.

    Go easy. My Max heart rate has not recovered from Covid before Christmas.

    nickc
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    or the global Jewish conspiracy?

    I await with baited breath every morning for the letter that informs me that it’s either mine of my wife’s turn to run either one or more of:

    The print media, films and TV any number of major corporations, and/or governments. It must’ve been lost in the post.

    The thing I will say is that for a shadowy all powerful body, we have terrible PR; we must get around to changing that at some point (when we’re not busy running the place, obvs)

    matt_outandabout
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    On a proper Covid note:

    mrs_oab contracted Covid a fortnight ago, having already been suffering from another virus and a chest infection to deal with.

    The anti-virals kicked Covid nearly into touch, however the earlier virus has come back to bite – and it is shingles. It may be that covid is also present – she had a faint line again yesterday…

    Bugger.

    tjagain
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    Lolz @: nickc.

    The thing I will say is that for a shadowy all powerful body, we have terrible PR

    thats a real gem ( not sarcastic!)

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