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  • Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    Depends on the duration and severity of the headache, but 111 would be my port of call for advice.

    Thanks, just brought her home, a call is in order I think

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    44 minutes later, spoken to 111, sat at the local Urgent Treatment Centre for her to be assessed.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Fingers crossed for you.

    Premier Icon TiRed
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    i was on a train at the weekend and one busy carriage was 85+% wearing masks

    It was about 50% on my train-tube-train to Liverpool yesterday. I was of course one of the 50%. TfL mandate a mask but this is clearly not enforced. I am of the opinion that most people want to do the right thing and will wear a mask. But people want it to be easy. A requirement that provided free masks at the point of tube station entry and disposal on exit would most likely be successful. Expecting people to comply of their own accord with their own masks will meet with the observed 50% adherence. That’s life.

    I view the Conservative’s in the House of Commons position as beyond contempt. Shadow of the Leader and all that…

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    You don’t need free mask dispensers, you just need clear messaging and legislation (and example) from the government. People will carry masks if they expect to have to wear them.

    Premier Icon TiRed
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    People will carry masks if they expect to have to wear them.

    Not always – I have on occasion forgotten to have one with me. Also they should really be replaced relatively often. My real point is that if you really want high adherence, make it easy and the people will follow. Nudging is not free.

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    I view the Conservative’s in the House of Commons position as beyond contempt. Shadow of the Leader and all that…

    Radio 4 earlier and the MP being grilled on that was really squirming when asked why the health minister was saying one thing and half the house was ignoring the advice.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    They’re doing better… right now 4 out of 14 on the Conservative benches are wearing a mask. They’re shifting… I just looked.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament

    All the SNP are wearing masks (as they have been all along). Camera hasn’t moved to other opposition benches since I turned that feed on.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    I have on occasion forgotten to have one with me

    You wouldn’t have if it was currently mandated, and backed up with clear communication. You’d make sure you always had one. And spares.

    Like all of us, you’re currently in the “must remember my umbrella”, rather than “I must do up my seatbelt before I set off in the car” phase of mask wearing. I get that you are proposing ways to support voluntary mask wearing… but it is messing around at the edges… what is (I really mean was, we’re past this now) needed is mandated mask wearing this winter. People will wear masks if they are told it is needed. We’ve messed up another academic year for the kids, and we should be ashamed of that.

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    Fingers crossed for you.

    We are back home. Nurse practitioners were very thorough, no immediate red flags but if it gets worse, probably A&E next. She’s looking and sounding a little bit brighter now, but she’s been up and down with this headache since Tuesday.

    You can imagine how delighted a 14 year old girl was to be answering medical questions with her dad in the room, though I had offered to leave!

    I’d forgotten how weird it feels the first time you have your blood pressure taken – she’s never had it done before and was a bit freaked out!

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Wise to be cautious… but I’m sure she’ll be fine. Hugs, care and drinks.

    Premier Icon TiRed
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    “I must do up my seatbelt before I set off in the car” phase of mask wearing

    Not me – I forgot mine when it was mandated! If you had to take your seatbelt to the car each time you drove it, the analogy would be true. Whenever I left my mask behind, I didn’t go into the shops. Simple. Now imagine that in schools. I’d have them provided freely everywhere.

    She’s looking and sounding a little bit brighter now, but she’s been up and down with this headache since Tuesday.

    Glad to hear it. Cytokine production leads to headaches. I’m very sensitive and notice chills, aches and headaches at the slightest hint of an immune response.

    You can imagine how delighted a 14 year old girl was to be answering medical questions with her dad in the room, though I had offered to leave!

    You might think that of course, but I bet she was glad you were there really. She wouldn’t admit it of course (disclaimer – we had boys, but my BiL is a lone father now with three girls).

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Now imagine that in schools. I’d have them provided freely everywhere.

    Our secondary school was giving out hundreds a day. From their own budget. They had to stop. Mandate mask use and make people (in this case parents) responsible for ensuring masks are carried. The government needs to act, not make schools, train operators, shops etc take on the burden of convincing and supplying people. That hands off approach by government does not work. We already know that. Stop the buck passing, the government needs to step up and lead here.

    Premier Icon mudmuncher
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    I think it’s time to clamp down on the unvaccinated.

    60% of covid hospital admissions are in the unvaccinated, in addition the unvaccinated are likely to have a higher viral load for longer and contribute to the ongoing high levels of infection.

    We raise billions of pounds from cigarette tax to help pay the NHS bill for the self inflicted healthcare burden smokers create, so why not do the same for people who refuse the vaccine?

    If I was in charge, I’d change the tax codes of vaccine refusers to add an extra penny to their income tax.

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    but she’s been up and down with this headache since Tuesday.

    That sounds better than a persistent or worsening one. Hopefully nowt to be worrying about, but well done for getting her checked out.

    Premier Icon n0b0dy0ftheg0at
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    Do as I say, not as I do.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58993387

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    Do as I say, not as I do.

    They are absolute **** bellends on this aren’t they? Just don’t get it and/or care. Sooner take notice of Karen on TwitFace rather than the BMA.

    Premier Icon Jamze
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    What is he on about?

    Premier Icon scud
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    I really do think that centuries of constant inbreeding have dulled his wits.. i wonder if he makes his matron and nannie wear a mask?

    Premier Icon joepud
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    You don’t need free mask dispensers, you just need clear messaging and legislation (and example) from the government. People will carry masks if they expect to have to wear them.

    Its not an out and out solution but this would be a really good idea. A few times i have jumped on the tube/overground/bus and forgotten to take a mask with me and had to pretty much beg the tfl staff for a mask.

    I think it’s time to clamp down on the unvaccinated.

    I get the reason for strong opinion on this but its unethical to mandate a vaccine. Also it doesn’t work now we know the vaccine drops off after a few months. Someone could be double jabbed 12 months ago no booster and let into a club but an unvaccinated couldn’t. High level it makes sense but not when you really look at it.

    Premier Icon TiRed
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    I get the reason for strong opinion on this but its unethical to mandate a vaccine

    In the US only the Pfizer vaccine is formally FDA approved (everything else, including all COVID treatments, are approved by Emergency Use Authorisation – that EUA can be taken away once the pandemic is deemed over). Now Pfizer is FDA approved the US Government can mandate usage for its employees. Companies can also do the same. We don’t have that here – I don’t personally view it as unethical under the context of a formal approval process, but it will not happen in the UK.

    Premier Icon Jamze
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    I get the reason for strong opinion on this but its unethical to mandate a vaccine. Also it doesn’t work now we know the vaccine drops off after a few months. Someone could be double jabbed 12 months ago no booster and let into a club but an unvaccinated couldn’t. High level it makes sense but not when you really look at it.

    Are DIY antibody tests (like we use LFTs) viable? Or are they always a blood test that goes back to a lab?

    If so, you could use that for a ‘pass’ rather than differentiate between vax’d and not vax’d?

    My sister’s family all caught it recently, and she was sent an antibody test in the post to do for some reason.

    Premier Icon somafunk
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    I know we are now meant to act more kindly in how we talk about our politicians but id take great delight in knocking that rees-moog **** out, time and time again

    Premier Icon mudmuncher
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    I get the reason for strong opinion on this but its unethical to mandate a vaccine. Also it doesn’t work now we know the vaccine drops off after a few months. Someone could be double jabbed 12 months ago no booster and let into a club but an unvaccinated couldn’t. High level it makes sense but not when you really look at it.

    Yes, I agree you shouldn’t force people to take a vaccine, but it’s clear the level of vaccination we have won’t be enough to keep the infection levels to a manageable level so we need extra incentives to get people jabbed.

    I think the evidence is that although vaccine immunity wanes it still keeps people out of hospital for a considerable time. France is one of the most vaccine hesitant countries in Europe, but their vaccine passport scheme needed to get into clubs and bars has resulted in a higher vaccination level than us and lower infection rates.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Someone could be double jabbed 12 months ago no booster and let into a club but an unvaccinated couldn’t.

    Vaccine passes all have “valid ‘till” dates all across Europe, including here (despite how little we’re using them). So that statement simply isn’t true. Vaccine status could expire with waining (it does in France). All the so called problems with vaccine passports have been solved elsewhere with equivalence given to previously infected or recently tested status. You don’t have to prove (or have) vaccination if you can show your test results. The only remaining problem here to solve is that many people see it as a “rights” issue. We’re easily led down weird dead ends in the UK.

    Premier Icon TiRed
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    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-secures-covid-19-antivirals-merck-pfizer-2021-10-20/

    UK has purchased 480k courses of molnupiravir. The cavalry might yet arrive. The data from Merck shows that an oral treatment, taken early (2 tablets of 800mg per day), halved the rate of going to hospital. This is less than intravenous antibodies (about 80%) but easily administered. Think tamiflu for COVID – for those of you that had swine flu. Pfizer also have a drug in Phase 3 (dosed with another oral called ritonavir to boost its performance), but this has yet to read out (perhaps December).

    Merck have filed for Emergency Use in the US and the EMA are considering a rolling review. Unlike the antibodies (which stay around in the body for up to a year), these oral drugs are removed quickly. That means the trials finish quickly and hence submission can be quite quick once data is reported. Approval for rolling reviews is faster than normal, but I’d guess at approval in 1H2022. MHRA will need to approve before the UK roll out treatment.

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    joepud
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    I get the reason for strong opinion on this but its unethical to mandate a vaccine.

    You don’t have to mandate a vaccine, you just have to mandate consequences for not having it. That’s what’s at the heart of vaccine resistance and the difficulty of the issue- there’s fairly little feeling of consequence for not getting it yourself, even less if you’ve bought into “just the flu” or swallowed the lies. The impact is bigger of course but it’s easy to not feel like that even for yourself, let alone for the way it helps others. So even a mild resistance to the vaccine can be enough for people to not get it. Even having it just be inconvenient to get it, is enough.

    I don’t think it’d take a lot of mandated consequence at all to push most people back. The difference between “people who say they’ll quit their jobs if there’s a vaccine requirement” and “people who actually do” is a good indicator of that- early studies in the states came up routinely with numbers like 50%, 44%, but when the mandates actually roll out the real amount is in low single figures. And the number of people who hadn’t got the vaccine until the workplace mandate comes in is many times higher. As soon as there’s an actual, immediately perceptible impact people knuckle down.

    I’ve a personal theory… I reckon that if we introduced a totally voluntary opt out of the vaccines, which requires no justification, but we made it slightly more inconvenient than getting the vaccine, even vaccine resistant people would choose to get jabbed. Make the opt out centres slightly harder to get to, make the opening hours just a little bit shorter and the process just a little bit more of a pain in the bum, make getting vaccinated the easy option instead of not. I don’t think it needs big consequences, just a minor change to make it the road of least resistance

    At the moment it’s just too easy to not bother.

    Premier Icon joepud
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    Now Pfizer is FDA approved the US Government can mandate usage for its employees. Companies can also do the same. We don’t have that here – I don’t personally view it as unethical under the context of a formal approval process, but it will not happen in the UK.

    Maybe unethical was wrong slightly immoral.. i dunno? But thats already happening right at least in some states like SF and NYC. Currently Kyrie Irving is ineligible to play for the Brooklyn Nets because hes refusing to take the jab – a basketball game is a mass gathering and unvaccinated people can’t attend mass gatherings even if they take a test so for him its get the jab of miss out on millions.

    Premier Icon mudmuncher
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    I think many people who haven’t taken it have the mentality that they don’t need it/want it and it is their body etc., and don’t consider the consequences for everyone else – high infection levels, greater burden on the hospitals etc., which I why I like the idea of a penny on income tax as it would show them the wider impact and cost of their decision and the expectation they (not the rest of society) should pay for it.

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    You don’t have to mandate a vaccine, you just have to mandate consequences for not having it.

    Nicely phrased, and I agree with you.

    We already mandate some vaccinations for working in some healthcare roles, some are mandated to travel to certain countries. It’s not as obvious due to the small numbers affected, but it happens. People still have choices.

    Premier Icon thepurist
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    UK has purchased 480k courses of molnupiravir. The cavalry might yet arrive.

    I wonder how many people who refused a vaccine because they don’t know the long term effects would use the same logic to refuse molnupiravir if they started developing moderate Covid.

    Premier Icon yourguitarhero
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    How long does immunity last after infection?

    Premier Icon tpbiker
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    How long does immunity last after infection?

    Isn’t the world record for reinfection something like 10 weeks. So I’d say if you get it again in next 3 months you are unlucky..

    That said if you do get it again in 3 months you can proudly consider yourself a record breaker. A bit like usain bolt..only iller..

    Premier Icon TiRed
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    How long does immunity last after infection?

    Probably about 18-24mo, but it will be a distribution from say 3mo out with a long tail. We are reinfected by HCoVs all the time and they give us 1) a cold and 2) a boost of antibodies to see us along for another year.

    Actually it’s really

    We already mandate some approved vaccinations for working in some healthcare roles

    US see it the same way, and it is the formal approval that is the significant milestone.

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    Quite an eye opener looking at the % rise in case numbers over the past week in the districts where the new subvariant of Delta is bedding in. 700% rise in Weston super Mare in seven days.

    Premier Icon nickjb
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    700% rise in Weston super Mare in seven days.

    Yep. Going pretty crazy in the SW at the moment. Apparently most places are hitting their all time highest numbers now. News said it ripping through the schools and some places have 1 in 10 of 16 year olds infected

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    Just in time for us to export it to Europe and beyond at half term!

    Did anyone notice that of all the important questions that the public sent in for the Coronavirus press briefing yesterday, one of the two chosen for airing was about how to get your kids certified as immune so you could go on holiday abroad?

    Premier Icon Bunnyhop
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    When I caught ‘swine flu’, ‘tamiflu’ made me feel more ill. I ended up binning the tablets.

    Premier Icon yourguitarhero
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    So, considering that today is my last day of self-isolation after catching it, and I have two doses of vaccine I can essentially ignore COVID for a few months?

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    So, considering that today is my last day of self-isolation after catching it, and I have two doses of vaccine I can essentially ignore COVID for a few months?

    It won’t make you seriously ill if you come into contact with it.

    It might kill someone vulnerable that you pass it on to though.

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