Thanks BWD.

Unless I’m miss-reading it 79, died. 696 hadn’t died (but might have died later). That aint 50:50.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/28/coronavirus-intensive-care-uk-patients-50-per-cent-survival-rate

Data from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) showed that of 165 patients treated in critical care in England, Wales and Northern Ireland since the end of February, 79 died, while 86 survived and were discharged. The figures were taken from an audit of 775 people who have been or are in critical care with the disease, across 285 intensive care units. The remaining 610 patients continue to receive intensive care.

Have a little think, have a word with yourselves; this is not a video game, this is real people…

Well said fella.

Prime Minister is a role, not just a title.

Pretty sure Bojo was only ever interested in the latter.

Have a little think, have a word with yourselves; this is not a video game, this is real people…

Roll out of universal credit, windrush scandel, disability sanctions/testing…..I could go on but I imagine you get the picture.

yeah, all real people

Roll out of universal credit, windrush scandel, disability testing…..I could go on but I imagine you get the picture.

Two wrongs…

was idly reading this before I go to bed, and the phrase ‘the standard you walk past is the standard you accept’ came to mind.

Boris has a pregnant girlfriend. All this casual chat about 50:50 chances and so on; really? Would you be happy if it was your partner being discussed in this way?

Have a little think, have a word with yourselves; this is not a video game, this is real people…

Sorry if you are a little too sensitive for the current situation. I think everyone who has ‘speculated’ have done it relatively sensitively (apart from that Swedish Matt who thankfully the mods squashed – good move). He is (many?) people’s father and partner but he is also the elected leader of the nation. I’m afraid with that comes more robust speculation of your circumstances.

Not the BBC’s greatest moment just now on 10 o’clock news. Let’s send a journalist into the itu where Covid patients are being treated and then have same man sit in the studio what looked like a lot less than 2m from the newsreader.

Johnson has spent years persuading everyone he’s a character he plays in his own one man show.

He’s not a friend of a friend or someone I care about. However, what happens to him could shape what happens to the country for years to come. Speculating about his odds of survival is no different to speculating about the odds of a storm hitting land.

But you crack on with your outrage if it makes you feel superior.

That said, it’s not like flipping a coin is it? Presumably outcomes also differ according to factors like age and underlying chronic conditions, so in reality his chances may be considerably better than 50/50.

the report goes into some detail about this

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b

Critical care unit outcomes have been received for 690 patients, of whom 346 patients have died and 344 were discharged alive from critical care

thats out of about 3000 people in ITU as of 28th March

at the moment the majority of people that have entered ITU (2300) with covid are still in there,a long stay in ITU means that your body is going through hell

I got this from a colleague who is working on an ITU ward today

This virus is weird, and we barely understand the immunobiology. I have never seen so many patients deteriorate so rapidly right in front of your eyes. We’ve had a bad two days on the wards. It truly is a virus that does not discriminate, old, young, medical problems or not, it is an absolute lottery. Please all keep safe, wash your hands and keep away from each other.

“Sorry if you are a little too sensitive for the current situation”

I’m off to work on an ITU tomorrow night, where, when people die, they die without any family members allowed to see them. The casual use of 50:50 when discussing chances is somewhat less than helpful when we are dealing with distressed relatives.

I’m a lot less sensitive than most, having seen a lot more deaths than you or anyone else on here over the years…

But you crack on with your outrage if it makes you feel superior.

I don’t think anyone here has said anything interesting enough to provoke outrage. Just a few nobodies trying to get themselves noticed in a little corner of the internet. I’ll work myself up to mild disappointment if it helps.

Given the blood on his hands I find it very difficult to care about him.

I am sure he is being ventilated and is critically ill
His boozing and cocaine use will have badly damaged him. He looked ill before this

Is that technic ducatimonster linked to legitimate as there is a lot of fake news. I asked this question week or so back but I can’t imagine there are many lung specialists on STW

the report goes into some detail about this

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b

Thanks, that’s great detail.

The casual use of 50:50 when discussing chances is somewhat less than helpful when we are dealing with distressed relatives.

Tbf weve been discussing these statistics on here for weeks & Im sure its realer for you than most crikey, but I dont think his relatives will be reading this!

Anyone else Crikey?

Your posts give me confidence and hope tho. Skills, knowledge and good sense just shine through. Thank you

@tails Why don’t you think there are lung specialists on here? It is STW and it’s celebrated hive mind…

It came to me via another forum alas I can’t verify the source as legit, however without sounding like I got similar advice from next doors cat.

My SiL is an oncology nurse transferred to covid 19 duties and that has been her advice to us.

It’s a pity this kind of advice isn’t released officially, all I’ll say is it’s something I’ll take up for now.

A horrible disease, wouldn’t want that for anyone no matter what I thought of them

This. Had a little wobble myself today. It is an awful disease, and we know relatively little about it. I hope he makes a good recovery. And I hope the nation realises that this is not a dose of chickenpox, or a nasty flu. It is a national emergency.

Someone you know will lose someone to this disease. Think about that.

BTW Dame Angela was spot on about calling the peak of the epidemic. We need longer time series data to make that call. We are not even mid-way through the woods. In fact we don’t really know how deep the woods are.

It’s a pity this kind of advice isn’t released officially, all I’ll say is it’s something I’ll take up for now.

Should be on tv with the bald bloke (whiting?)

I’m a lot less sensitive than most, having seen a lot more deaths than you or anyone else on here over the years…

Remember you’re not only one who works in healthcare but you do some what have a point.

TJ maybe just lay off the blood in his hands bits he’s a human with a fiancé who’s pregnant.

Is ducatimonster’s video just a load of … ?

There are plenty of official sources of information about Corona virus, from .gov to WHO.

His boozing and cocaine use will have badly damaged him

Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn’t then I severely doubt he has taken anywhere near enough coke to cause himself any harm in the long term. And even if he was a huge coke head, which he isn’t, then long term impacts on chronic users is debatable to say the least, with limited evidence that it causes problems in long term addicts.

He’s no athlete, he’s overweight, but I bet he’s no more unhealthy than a fair portion of the population. He’s just been unlucky..

To be hoped Boris’predicament helps the average invincible middle-aged, overweight stressed male realise how dangerous this is.

he’s a human with a fiancé who’s pregnant.

Mind boggles at medical advances in these crazy times

The vapour itself contains respiratory droplets including saliva, mucus and bacteria and when it’s blown out, it travels for a long distance and hangs in the air at head height.”

Propylene glycol (the base in most vaping liquids) is used to sterilise air in hospitals, so I wouldn’t be too concerned.

He’s just been unlucky..

He’s been careless, and unlucky.

Remember a few weeks ago when we were commenting on how Boris seemed out of his depth? Well after watching Dominic Raab’s rabbit caught in the headlights WTF am I doing here performance this evening Boris looks almost Churchillian. And without wanting to make light of it, I’ve seen various comparisons on fb tonight to the film The Death of Stalin. You can only imagine what’s going on behind the scenes with Raab, Gove and Hancock in charge.

To be hoped Boris’predicament helps the average invincible middle-aged, overweight stressed male realise how dangerous this is.

yeah his dad’s “I’m going to the pub” quip rings a little hollow now.

Well after watching Dominic Raab’s rabbit caught in the headlights WTF am I doing here performance this evening Boris looks almost Churchillian.

Harsh, he knows how serious the situation is with Johnson, of course he is shaken.

Well said Drac about laying off the ‘….blood on his hands’ hyperbole.
I’m a registered labour member but wouldn’t wish covid-19 on anyone – let alone the tory PM at a time of national crisis.

Not sure how anyone could wish this on anyone, let alone Bojo…

9 of us from work have had it, I spent 6 days with a high temp and feeling like I was on my way out, however I consider myself extremely lucky one of us 9 never made it through, he was 20 years old with no underlying health issues, died last Thursday, I’ve still not grasped the fact he’s dead…
One guy is still in icu…

It’s real 😢😢😢😢

@unfitgeezer. Holy **** – that’s close to home. Hope you are well over it.

Ah! Bugger that’s crap unfit.

standard trump

I’m watching Trump’s ludicrous press conference now so you don’t have to. Trump starts by trying to act like he has medicine that Boris Johnson should use, since he was just admitted to the ICU. It’s one of the most insane things I’ve ever heard someone say ever.

— Scott Dworkin (@funder) April 6, 2020

Harsh

Not really. He’s the de facto PM of the UK in the biggest crisis since WWII. His primary job is keep people calm and transmit confidence, even if inside he’s having a panic attack. If he’s not able to do that he should step aside for someone who can. Not that there’s anyone else in Boris’s gang of sycophants mind you. Maybe time to revisit the national government idea?

Remember a few weeks ago when we were commenting on how Boris seemed out of his depth?

I also remember a few weeks ago people claiming how convenient it was Boris caught Covid-19 and that it was probably a ploy.

I am not wishing him harm. But I really do not care at all what happens to him

Maybe that makes me bad man but I just do not and I am not going to be all sanctimonious and pretend I do care.

His primary job is keep people calm and transmit confidence, even if inside he’s having a panic attack

The PM, and acting PM, are humans, flawed like all of us. If Raab came out all solid and unshaken by his boss being in such a dire position I’d be seriously worried about him.

I am not wishing him harm. But I really do not care at all what happens to him

Maybe that makes me bad man but I just do not and I am not going to be all sanctimonious and pretend I do care.

I’m in that club.

I’m very much over it…I hope !

I’ve got so much on my plate at the moment I don’t have the brain space to even think about it…
Anxiety levels at all time high,