When is a Lyric not a Lyric?

Just sold some Lyrics and the buyer has been in contact.

Serial number matches Yari format, not Lyrics apparently.

I’m not the forks original owner, stickered up as Lyric ultimate e-mtb.

Appreciate they both have the same body. Any other way to identify a Lyric from a Yari?

I’m likely be taking them back.

Cheers

Phil

Has the previous owner upgraded the damper and airspring then? And added a sticker for good measure?

Post a pic of the dials at the top of the legs, as a starter?

I think the only difference was the damper that was fitted.

Most people change this and then change the stickers

Are you under any obligation to take them back? Sold on your part with good faith and surely sold as seen, no?

rentonFree Member
I think the only difference was the damper that was fitted.

Correct

When you’re just humming or singing la, la, la?

Best snap of the damper is this one;

The stickers now i look at them do look flipping wonky

Via ebay so it’ll not take much to lodge a claim by them and if in doubt i’ll take them back.

Might be worthwhile just offering the return right off the bat then. Save any faffing around

I’d take them back or offer a small discount given the cost of return postage and relisting etc.

Definitely not the standard Lyrik Motion Control damper.

For all purposes your Yari-Lyrik will functionally be the same as a Lyrik, but like you say if the buyer’s not chuffed then might be easiest just takiung them back (or offering a small discount like mentioned above).

charger damper so not stock for  a Yari

I believe the crowns were slightly heavier in the Yari?

I believe the crowns were slightly heavier in the Yari?

Nope. All metalwork is the same

”Definitely not the standard Lyrik Motion Control damper.”

Darn it, as i feared. I’ll see what he wants to do, I’ll offer the discount to save some trouble.

Feel bad, i’ve been duped and caused someone else possible annoyance but feel i should still get some pudding.

Definitely not the standard Lyrik Motion Control damper.

I suspect this was meant to say “not the standard Yari MC damper”?

As above they’re going to be yaris with a Lyrik Damper. Probably a 2.0 as they were really cheap a couple of years back. Internals and chassis will be the same for same generation forks, what you loose is:

Rebound dial is nicer on the Lyrik.
No shiny piano black Ultimate paint job.
Different stickers obviously.

As Ben says it’s probably a Yari with a charger damper added to it. Functionally exactly the same as a Lyrik.

Sounds like you’ll end up taking it back and relisting which is annoying for you – but eBay will side with the buyer as it’s not as advertised.

If it has Lyrik ultimate stickers then I’d check which charger damper it has – needs to be a 2.1 for those stickers not to be totally fraudulent. It it’s a 2.0 one then just a standard Lyrik sticker is probably in order instead.

What does the serial number say when you put it into trailhead?

I suspect this was meant to say “not the standard Yari MC damper”?

Ah balls, that was indeed what I meant to say. Sorry for any confusion @sandwicheater.

It’s an upgraded Yari with charger rc2 2.1 damper so only real difference is that the crown isn’t shiny black.

I think the only difference was the damper that was fitted.

Most people change this and then change the stickers

And that’s the nub of it. Some people care about labels, others are quite happy with the same functionality alone. Personally, it never occurred to me to change the stickers on my Charger-upgraded Yari. And equally, I wouldn’t pay a premium to buy a bona fide Lyrik over an upgraded Yari, they are, to all intents and purposes, the same thing.

Your buyer is basically an idiot if he/she doesn’t realise this, however there’s not much you can do about this bar pointing out the obvious that the fork is the same thing bar a couple of stickers.

As per @Nixie’s question what does the serial number say the fork/chasis is? I guess that is the starting point.

Why people feel the need up “up label” a fork is beyond me (not pointed at the OP).

Bit harsh to call the buyer an idiot tbh. They bought something that turns out not to be what they intended to buy. Regardless of whether it works exactly the same, it’s not a Lyrik and if they sold it on they would have to explain this and take the hit. They may well compromise but they certainly don’t have to.

Cheers one and all. The buyer was ‘happy’ to take a refund to save return/re-listing.
Could have been worse.
I directed them to this post which may have convinced them i wasn’t trying to deliberately deceive, who knows.
Happy riding.

Why people feel the need up “up label” a fork is beyond me (not pointed at the OP).

Presumably only so they can sell it on at an increased price. I categorically refuse to believe that anyone would do this on something they planned to keep.

Surely to god….

Of course they would and if you’ve made a Yari in to a Lyrik there’s no reason not to as decals are cheap. The key is to pass on the information if you sell.

there’s no reason not to

Time, effort,

There’s no worthwhile reason to

FTFY 😁

In your opinion. I wouldn’t either but plenty would. Anyway, you seem determined to have the last word so off you go.

Well I’ve upgraded a Yari to a Lyric and changed the decals to lyric as I was colour matching to a different frame anyway, absolutely nothing wrong with that, why replace with another Yari decal when you’ve gone to the trouble of dropping a expensive damper in there, I think it wouldn’t look right saying Yari when the dials are obviously a RC2 2.1 damper, each to their own, why criticise, I would obviously include the details when selling on as I know the forks history. OP did the right thing offering a discount on a genuine mistake. Decals cost me about £6 and minimal time or effort to change them.

Bit harsh to call the buyer an idiot tbh.

Yeah, maybe. But given that what they have is effectively a Lyrik in performance terms – ie: presumably what they wanted to buy – it all seems like a bit of a moot point whether it was originally a Yari or not. If you were cynical, you might think the buyer was just trying to knock something off the price.

I’m still baffled that anyone would upgrade a Yari to Lyrik spec and bother changing the stickers. I’m assuming that the buyer will now be fitting Yari stickers for clarity… 😉

I’m assuming that the buyer will now be fitting Yari stickers for clarity… 😉

Or breaking out the Sharpie to add ‘-ish’ to the label?

Let’s be honest there’s long been a bit of aspiration around having the fancier version of thongs on a bike, especially where forks are concerned.

Let’s be honest there’s long been a bit of aspiration around having the fancier version of thongs on a bike,

Absolutely, or go the whole hog and wear a mankini 🙂