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  • What’s your take on the protests ( sheer number of people in one place)
  • Premier Icon unfitgeezer
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    Absolutely bonkers to allow that many people in one place !
    I’m not talking about why people are demonstrating that’s a whole different topic.

    On many levels it’s wrong to allow that many people so close together whatever ethnicity, media tells us that black people are more prone to covid 19 surly this many people together is asking for trouble, spikes in covid 19 ?

    Before anyone says it’s our right to protest yes put we’re in the middle of a deadly pandemic !
    UK 🇬🇧 protests…
    Packed beaches – absolutely crackers
    Going to protest- absolutely crackers
    Shouldn’t have been allowed to happen at this time.
    Lockdown will stay in place !

    Premier Icon trumpton
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    Crazy thing to organise

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    Insane, but then DC has pretty much ended lock down…

    Premier Icon crikey
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    It’s sheer, not shear; that’s what you do to sheep…

    and you’ve said ‘allowed’ 3 times; what are you expecting here exactly? No one ‘allowed’ it, it happened because people are pissed off and because Dominic Cummings is a ****.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    As whitty pointed out today, if u can’t do 2 metres then masks & hand washing is next best

    But still worrying,

    But then none of the MPs in moggs conga were wearing masks & they were squeezed together at points

    Premier Icon binners
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    I’m sure the government were delighted. On the one hand there is bound to be a huge spike in infections, but on the other hand those infected will either be black or white, middle class, hand-wringing Guardian readers.

    So by letting the protests go ahead they’re effectively increasing their majority

    Premier Icon DezB
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    I’ve just been asking someone in the NHS about this – 2 cities local to me, (with a pretty low black population) have had big protests – the news showed people wearing masks and some just with scarves over their faces. So this’ll stop (some) spreading the virus, but not from catching it. The protests are for a very worthy cause, but it’s a crazy risk at such a time.

    Premier Icon stevious
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    It’s because people are willing to take risks for something they really care about.

    The reasons for higher BAME mortality from COVID are likely to be the very thing that people are protesting against.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Moggs conga yesterday, bearing in mind Alok Sharma has just said he’s got symptoms & is isolating

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    Premier Icon DezB
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    The reasons for higher BAME mortality from COVID are likely to be the very thing that people are protesting against.

    You’ll have to explain that, sorry. So you’re saying it’s ok for people to get/spread the virus, because that’s what they’re protesting about? I can’t get my head around it.

    Premier Icon firestarter
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    The reasons for higher BAME mortality from COVID are likely to be the very thing that people are protesting against.

    Lost me too are you suggesting the nhs are racist I’m confused

    Premier Icon baboonz
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    I fail to see how this isn’t just going to end up in many more unneceary deaths, unless we are truly done with covid and this government is lowballing how “effective” their admin has been of this crisis.

    Premier Icon Nick
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    I think what it’s about is frustration with white people trying to tell other people, especially black people what they should and shouldn’t do, and some white people are pretty fed up about it too, but perhaps feel a bit helpless and confused and so joining a demo probably helps then feel they are doing something (like me posting this).

    To put it another way, perhaps telling people they shouldn’t protest about racist injustices and inequality because there is a plague now, even though racist injustices and inequality, perpetuated by us white folks, leading to black people being disproportionally targeted by police, etc, has been going on for hundreds of years, and continues to this day, and will continue unless we doing something, is at best ironic.

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    Morons be moroning.

    The reasons for higher BAME mortality from COVID are likely to be the very thing that people are protesting against.

    Even as a SJW snowflake remoaner tree-hugging card-carrying yoghurt knitter I find it difficult to believe that a virus is racist.

    If the argument is that non-Caucasian people are dying in greater numbers because of racism within the healthcare system then you really need to look at the demographic makeup of the NHS which has a huge percentage of staff who are immigrants or are descendants of said same.

    If you want to understand why there’s a greater proportion of ethnic minorities catching the virus then just take a stroll around East Lancashire, you’ll quickly see that it’s because they’ve all been up in the park for the last two months playing ****ing football and cricket every night. Asian lads looking to be in their 20s primarily but not exclusively. Zero **** given about social distancing, they’ll cross the road to go and fist-bump each other as they pass, it’s like they’re actively going out of their way to defy being told what to do. Walk two blocks in any direction from here and you’ll find a yard with a barbecue, a kids’ party or a gang of lads hanging out, I think they’re all taking turns hosting. And sure, it’s been Eid and Ramadan, fair enough, but I’ve lived here all my life and I’ve never known it like this.

    Supermarkets are a scrum, the white folks are about 50:50 in terms of treating everyone else like lepers vs **** it and being defiant, but I don’t think I’ve once had a reaction of “ooh, I’d better follow the arrows or cross the road or wait to let someone pass” from anyone Asian since this all kicked off. It’s been so stark a contrast that it would actually have been notable if it happened.

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    I think what it’s about is frustration with white people trying to tell… black people what they should and shouldn’t do

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there.

    perhaps telling people they shouldn’t protest about racist injustices… is at best ironic.

    Though perhaps asking them to wait a couple of months rather than saying they can’t do it at all might be prudent and not unreasonable? If your complaint is that you’re being unfairly targeted for flouting the rules, it’s perhaps not the best way to further your cause by organising a mass rule-flouting.

    Premier Icon cynic-al
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    Wow, Cougar! Only BAME are breaching the guidelines…

    Srsly?

    And you have no awareness of any other explanation?

    Anyways I’d say this is a better reason to risk transmission than meeting on beaches etc

    Premier Icon expendabar
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    That’s not what he said. He said white people were 50:50 between not giving a @#*# and treating people like lepers.

    Premier Icon cynic-al
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    ethnic minorities catching the virus then just take a stroll around East Lancashire, you’ll quickly see that it’s because they’ve all been up in the park for the last two months playing ****ing football and cricket every night. Asian lads looking to be in their 20s primarily but not exclusively. Zero **** given about social distancing, they’ll cross the road to go and fist-bump each other as they pass, it’s like they’re actively going out of their way to defy being told what to do. Walk two blocks in any direction from here and you’ll find a yard with a barbecue, a kids’ party or a gang of lads hanging out, I think they’re all taking turns hosting. And sure, it’s been Eid and Ramadan, fair enough, but I’ve lived here all my life and I’ve never known it like this.

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    To answer the specific question which is not about the cause or showing *solidarity* – absolute stupidity, irresponsibility and recklessness.
    Did none of them think….we’re in a global pandemic, is this sensible?
    Evidently not.
    As an example of a prize chump, Barry Gardiner MP who has been self-isolating since
    mid-March decided to break his isolation and join protestors today outside parliament.
    R on it’s way up.

    Premier Icon sparksmcguff
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    Yeah not the best idea, but given Dominic Cummings’ donkey behaviour it’s hardly surprising.

    Premier Icon inkster
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    Cresida Dick said today that the police backed off from enforcing social distancing rules at the protest as they feared trouble if they did. Just because things here are not as exaggerated as America doesn’t mean that many of the same problems don’t exist

    The biggest danger for Britain is that we focus too much on America and fail to realise what the situation is like here.

    As Dave said at the Brit Awards:

    “The least racist is still racist and our prime minister is a real racist.”

    Don’t say you haven’t been warned.

    Premier Icon baboonz
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    Isn’t it way too early to make conclusions as to why BAME may have been more affected by Covid? It seems a far too complex issue for data that is barely a month old.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    If the protestors had spread out, 2 meters apart, how many miles of streets would they have been visible on? How long would it have taken the police to move them on? A protest could have taken place that made the necessary and important point and the strength of feelings clear, without being so high risk in terms of infection.

    Premier Icon inkster
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    Looking at a lot of the responses on here it seems the STW consensus is that if we intend to protest about racial injustice we should form an orderly queue in the time honoured British fashion.

    Moreover, we should do it at the right (allocated) time, maybe postpone it for a couple of months. Maybe we could ask Derek Chauvin to be more considerate and save his performance for the cameras for a time when protests can be organised more safely.

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    inky, covid has no vaccine and our *gov* are clueless so….what do you suggest?
    There is more I could say about protests outside of the US about a white police on black man murder; they show *solidarity* but mean nothing to anything happening in the US.
    They may have some relevance in reminding UK gov that racism is alive and ‘well’ in the UK and effective action is long overdue to achieve a permanent change.

    Premier Icon baboonz
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    Looking at a lot of the responses on here it seems the STW consensus is that if we intend to protest about racial injustice we should form an orderly queue in the time honoured British fashion.

    Moreover, we should do it at the right (allocated) time, maybe postpone it for a couple of months. Maybe we could ask Derek Chauvin to be more considerate and save his performance for the cameras for a time when protests can be organised more safely.

    This is lunacy.

    Premier Icon inkster
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    Of course it’s lunacy, I was just paraphrasing many of the comments and whataboutary on here.

    Franc,

    Have you considered that a young black man protesting here might not be doing it (only) in solidarity with George Floyd but might be protesting because he’s sick of being stopped, searched, harrassed and brutalized by the UK police and institutions?

    Premier Icon frankconway
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    inky – yes, I have.
    15 years volunteering in homeless sector; have seen police close-up and their abuse of homeless.
    Generalising hugely, police attitude to homeless is comparable with attitude to black/people of colour.
    As an aside, do you have any direct experience of UK police behaviour?
    If you have, your words have some value; if not….

    Premier Icon DezB
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    @inkster – which protest did you join and why?

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    Even as a SJW snowflake remoaner tree-hugging card-carrying yoghurt knitter I find it difficult to believe that a virus is racist.

    The virus has simply highlighted the extant racism within our society, lower paid FLWs are more likely to pick up the virus, BAME are more likely to be lower paid FLWs. That’s my understanding.

    The cause of the protests was/is legitimate long before CV19 hit, the problem is that the timing of the protests runs the risk of exacerbating the spread of CV19 and it as as much a signaling of solidarity with US protesters as challenging the UK situation.

    Dare I say it when you’ve got an army of vapid dickheads packing the beaches on sunny weekends, a return to active protesting for real causes seems almost responsible…

    Almost…

    Premier Icon DezB
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    The virus has simply highlighted the extant racism within our society, lower paid FLWs are more likely to pick up the virus, BAME are more likely to be lower paid FLWs. That’s my understanding

    I thought the studies into this were still on-going?

    Premier Icon Nick
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    “excuse me old chap, could you stop this lunacy and postpone your protest against centuries of injustice until we tell you that it’s ok to proceed”

    Premier Icon FunkyDunc
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    It’s because people are willing to take risks for something they really care about.

    Or because we no longer have clap for NHS thing and people want some meaning in their life.

    Just wait until all McDonanlds are open, no one will be bothered about it then

    Premier Icon baboonz
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    @Nick

    “Excuse me old chap could you postpone or ensure strict social distancing when their is a global pandemic that has claimed excess 40,000 lives in the uk in the past 3 months”
    If this triggers another wave in which Bame will be disproportionally affected will we see a protest because of the protest?

    Do you think this protest will affect the public opinion or policy in the uk? If anything it reinforces the idea of lawlessness in large urban areas.

    @DezB

    There is a somewhat controversial one coming out very soon. Something coming out this soon means they probably rushed it, meaning it will become a political document rather than a fact finding one. I could be wrong though.

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    I thought the studies into this were still on-going?

    Are they? Is anyone currently studying this topic? And if so for what purpose?

    I’d say there’s a broadly reported statistical link between ethnicity, income, rates of CV19 infection and resultant deaths, and yes it is an open ended causation/correlation question. So yes it’s a working hypothesis at present not proven fact, but it seems logical.

    The alternative hypothesis is that CV19 is somehow managing to disproportionately target non-Whites which would presume ours is an utterly equal society, and no single ethnic group or demographic has higher risk factors… Do we believe that to be the case?

    Premier Icon faerie
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    Even as a SJW snowflake remoaner tree-hugging card-carrying yoghurt knitter

    I’m not racist but…

    Morons be moroning

    you’ll quickly see that it’s because they’ve all been up in the park

    It’s their own fault.

    The British in general have been terrible at adhering to restrictions and have one of the highest death rates. Now compare that to Asian countries…

    PoC in the UK are tired and can’t take the systemic racism anymore. We’re currently praising them as key workers, whilst we vilify them for our misgivings

    Premier Icon DezB
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    Are they? Is anyone currently studying this topic?
    This is what I meant. Sorry if it’s not an “official study” – quick google, random result:
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-health-secretary-pledges-action-on-bame-covid-19-deaths-11999383

    Anyway, I’ve said my view, as requested, so I’ll step out before it gets all point scory like the other thread. There’s clearly no simple answer, as ianc seems to think, but my brain can’t cope with the complexities of it and arguing about such a topic isn’t for me.

    Premier Icon lucky7500
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    Or because we no longer have clap for NHS thing and people want some meaning in their life.

    Just wait until all McDonanlds are open, no one will be bothered about it then

    Coronavirus is already yesterdays news sadly. On the BBC homepage the three banner headlines are,
    Former defence secretary disagrees with Trump.
    Big breakthrough in Madeleine McCann Case.
    Radio 1 leading a singalong.

    I have thought for a while now that this is what would happen with Coronavirus. Everyone will gradually get back to a normal routine as restrictions are lifted and the virus will just be forgotten about. The ignoring of Coronavirus in the protests / reporting of the protests is very much part of this.

    Premier Icon baboonz
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    @DezB

    There is superficial statistical assessment out on BAME deaths in the nhs, in this case they seem disproportionately affected also, even though infection seems to be happening at the hospital.
    If we know one thing is that nhs is very good at treating all of its staff like shit.

    Premier Icon Nick
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    @baboonz

    Excuse me black people,

    do you think this protest will affect the public opinion or policy in the uk? If anything it reinforces the idea of lawlessness in large urban areas.

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