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  • psychle
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    Posted on the 'Anything interesting happen your Thursday night ride?' thread, but thought I'd pop this up seperately, for the heck of it really πŸ˜†

    Had an altercation with some 'yoofs' of East London riding along the canal at around 7pm last night… they were blocking the path with their bikes (standing there with two bikes across the towpath) and wouldn't let me through, I didn't feel that 12-13 year olds should be able to force me to ride around them, so I politely (honestly!) asked them to move (performing a natty trackstand as I did so 8) )… when they didn't I slowly 'forced' my way through, bumping the front wheel of one of the bikes out of the way as I did… cue much swearing and bravado from the lads…

    As I rode off I heard the sound of someone running after me and the next thing I know one of them has grabbed my bag and pulled me off my bike! Jumping up and spinning around, I'm confronted by a slightly older gomer who obviously thinks he's a well hard gangster man, he's spouting off and looking to defend the honour of his homey (I think?)… then all his mates catch up and I find myself pretty much surrounded by 7-8 kids ranging from around 11yr to 15yrs old, all yelling and acting tough… there weren't that many to start with, so I guess a few were off to the side in the darkness, lurking perhaps…

    Instinct/self preservation kicks straight in (I really thought I was in
    trouble!) and I opt to throw the first punch, a decent hard right hand jab to the midriff of the bigger one who pulled me off my bike… he goes down winded (don't think he was expecting it at all!) and I start the 'crazy man act', screaming abuse and challenges at the top of my lungs and getting right up close and 'into the faces' of the two blocking my escape route down the towpath… thankfully they backed straight off and I managed to get back on my bike and get the fook out of there!

    My heart was racing after that, that's for sure… could've turned rather nasty if they'd actually been as 'gangster' as they were pretending to be! Shall avoid the canal for a little while, just in case 😯 4 years of riding along there and this is the first incident I've had…

    iDave
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    is his dad bigger than your dad?

    Were you on the Frankenbike? That might have explained it! πŸ˜‰

    Anywhere East of Liverpool Street is bandit country for me, so I wouldn't know! πŸ˜‰

    However, given the prevalence of knives on the streets these days, I suspect I'd try and find a route which avoids any such dark places and any such scrotes.

    TandemJeremy
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    You did about right I think. smack 'em one and flee. Usually its all mouth and trousers so standing up to them does the trick.

    5thElefant
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    When dogs try to dominate you the best thing to do is mount them. I'd of tried that.

    psychle
    Member

    is his dad bigger than your dad?

    I'm 33yrs old… he was probably 14-15yrs if he was lucky… but I honestly felt threatened by them all in a group, didn't even really think before resorting to defensive action… and me Da's not around any more, but I reckon he'd have been bigger πŸ˜†

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    "When dogs try to dominate you the best thing to do is mount them. I'd of tried that"

    😯

    zaskar
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    Have a prob? call the police.

    There are more of them than you and yeah they're chicken and now they will have knives.

    Best not ride that route for a while too.

    Report to cops? or would they book you for punching? I know stupid laws.

    psychle
    Member

    Were you on the Frankenbike? That might have explained it!

    Nope, 'twas the Enduro (perfect for canal side riding πŸ˜‰ )… I did hear one of them comment something along the lines of 'grab his bike…' maybe that's why I reacted as I did, protecting my loved one 😈 πŸ˜†

    deserter
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    real shame this stuff happens and one of the reasons we left the UK, I would have done the same as groups of teenagers can be very dangerous and beat up lone individuals for some fun, used to hear lots of stories of people beat up by gangs of 'kids' on their way home from the pub

    Lionheart
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    Good call from some quick thinking, but avoid the path for a while unless in daylight or you have some friendlies alongside you

    Premier Icon Dougal
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    Own them with some Bombers.

    psychle
    Member

    Deserter, TBH, I'm not sure they were initially out for a fight or whatever, but they were being a right pain blocking the path… I should've gone round them really, but as I say, didn't feel that knob-jockey kids should be able to force me to… πŸ™„

    Karinofnine
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    I think I would have been frightened, but still tried to pass them, if they had pulled me off my bike, and hurt me or damaged my bike, I think I would have lost my temper (not just swearing at bus drivers angry – properly lost it angry) – I tend to kick when I've lost it, 'cos I'm not very good at punching, although I have been known to head butt when in a real pinch!

    BTW, when Beastway was still on the Cyclone lads wouldn't ride down that part of the canal, even team-handed.

    You must be very brave to do it alone!

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    I think you say that you could have ridden around them but felt you shouldn't have to. Personally I'd have started with riding round them, regardless of the lack of consideration involved in blocking the path. But I've absolutely no confidence that I could have much effect on a teenager by punching one, even if it wasn't expecting it so I avoid situations in which this sort of thing needs to be done like the plague. πŸ™‚

    Premier Icon PeteG55
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    Think you had the right idea. Sounds like a straight forward case of self preservation. What with all the media coverage of knife crime, you've no idea what might happened. Keep clear of the area if I was you.

    rs
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    Can i be the first to say at the age of 15 or less the didn't have a complete moral compass and they didn't know what they were doing! you should have sat them down and given them some counselling.

    timc
    Member

    This is funny,

    You should have just gone round them, No excuse other than you being an egotistical tit.

    However,

    I admire your bravery & courage to stand up to them, pulled you off your bike, get a smack. Job well done!

    In future id just go round though! asking for a stabbing!

    Karinofnine
    Member

    Just read my last post, it sounds like I am a fighty nutter. I'm not, and I prefer to avoid confrontation if at all possible. But, if I am backed into a corner, I will fight. Hmmmm, it still sounds as if I am a fighty nutter πŸ˜‰

    psychle
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    I've absolutely no confidence that I could have much effect on a teenager by punching one

    I avoid situations in which this sort of thing needs to be done like the plague.

    Same here tbh! I know how to throw a punch, but I've hardly ever had to (this is probably only the 2nd occasion in my life in fact) … and the kids blocking the path were quite young, it wasn't till the bigger 'teen' grabbed me off the bike that I realised there was a larger group and it included older youths as well…

    psychle
    Member

    You should have just gone round them, no excuse other than you being an egotistical ****

    fair point… but why should they be allowed to get away with it? Society only exists/improves if people stand up for their rights and all that yes?

    joolsburger
    Member

    I would have defended myself – As they pulled you off your bike you were being assulted so you did the right thing.

    I wouldn't go that way for a while though.

    mudsux
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    <sarcasm>i'd of stabbed him and filmed it on my mobile.</sarcasm>

    actually i'd of sh1t my pants and ran

    Premier Icon ton
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    i think you did the right thing.
    they confronted you, you defended yourself.
    like i9 said before many times.
    IF YOU TAKE LIBERTIES IN LIFE, BE PREPARED TO HANDLE THE CONSEQUENCES.

    Premier Icon snowslave
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    Understandable what you did, but avoiding confrontation is always the best. Be like kung fu. Only respond with violence when there is no alternative. Grasshopper.

    brakes
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    I am always super-paranoid riding around on my nice bikes in London so if I do I tend to ride round the back roads, away from estates and places where the scrotes hang out – wouldn't dream of riding along the canal

    psychle, if I see you riding round Angel on that Frankenbike I think I might smack you one πŸ™‚

    b r
    Member

    You did right.

    I'm not a fighter at all, but having been in the same kind of situation, I just took on the Northern (I live down-South now) Nutter approach – it caught them off guard enough for me to get away.

    PeterPoddy
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    If I'd have seen 2 kids blocking my path, I'd have done one of 2 things

    Taken a different route and gone nowhere near them
    Not stopped. I've probably got more momentum (Weight!) than they can stop.

    If I'd have got through like you did and "As I rode off I heard the sound of someone running after me " I would have accelerated as hard as possible. And I can sprint like you wouldn't believe. I doubt I'd have been caught and I doubt if I had he'd have been able to pull me off my bike

    If I'd have ended up surrounded like you did, I would have firstly distanced myself from the canal (I can't swim) and then, after shitting myself, tried to talk my way out of it first, then chucked a few of them in the canal

    Sounds like you did well to me, mind. Hopefully they won't try it again. One bitten….? πŸ™‚

    psychle
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    psychle, if I see you riding round Angel on that Frankenbike I think I might smack you one πŸ™‚

    Bring it on, I've proven my fighting prowess (as long as you're half my weight and 14yrs old πŸ˜† )

    You based in North London then? Coming along to the STW London Pootle this Sunday?

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    And I can sprint like you wouldn't believe.

    [swoons] πŸ˜‰

    Premier Icon BigJohn
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    I had a very similar thing happen on may commute home about a year ago. A group of youths walking down a road bridge (in pitch black) all decided to spread out and block my way. I decided that I should not have to stop and be intimidated by a bunch of kids so I kept riding (not too fast) and a gap appeared (as it always will, like walking down a crowded street) which I rode through. One of them pushed me, so I stopped to politely enquire which of the little pikeys thought that was a good idea.

    I hadn't however noticed the one little psycho behind me who managed to get a sharp punch in, breaking my cheekbone, eye socket and upper jaw.

    I know that I could have avoided the confrontation, but should a fit strong 55 yr old man be expected to run away from a bunch of kids doing what bunches of kids have always done through the ages? The difference this time being it was a bunch of harmless, perfectly nice kids, PLUS 1 psycho.

    psychle
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    I hadn't however noticed the one little psycho behind me who managed to get a sharp punch in, breaking my cheekbone, eye socket and upper jaw.

    Ouch… that sounds like a lucky (and hard!) punch πŸ™

    Premier Icon Suggsey
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    He who runs away lives to fight another day but when push comes to shove, attack is the best line of defence and the meaner, the dirtier and more vicious if you are frightened for your life, the better.
    Always remember though that you should only use as much force as is reaonable and necessary ie no stamping on heads of the down or unconcious unless they are armed with a life threatening weapon and may try and use it.
    If you have an honestly held belief that you are in danger of immediate assault (ie lets take the bike off him) you can strike first but as you had already been assaulted (by being pulled off the bike) you were well within your comon law rights of self defence in my opinion-CPS's may have different ideas though, you know how strange some of their decisions are!
    One last pearl of wisdom that links on to the very first words I typed are dont make yourself a victim-wrong place wrong time!

    psychle
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    You must be very brave to do it alone!

    more like stupid/naive I think πŸ˜†

    Premier Icon BigJohn
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    Hasn't stopped me going home the same way in the dark though.

    sodafarls
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    That canal (if it's the Angel-Hackney one I think it is) has had a fair bit of "urban action" of late, even making the billboard of the Gazette recently. I've also had something similar happen last year, and had to swing a bit to continue on my journey. I'd definitely avoid it after dark for a while at least.

    Funny Angel is mentioned too. Coming back from Afan via Paddington last Easter the missus and I were riding our bikes through some back streets in the the afternoon to avoid the Essex road traffic and had a spot of bother with some aquisitional youths. The "Mad Irish Bastard" routine worked on that occasion, but it's all a bit depressing…

    Premier Icon BoardinBob
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    No you shouldn't have punched him.

    You should butted him instead, breaking his nose in the process.

    IanMunro
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    It must be time for 'that' video by now πŸ™‚
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ojeHySYSA

    psychle
    Member

    You should butted him instead, breaking his nose in the process.

    Had my helmet on, headbutting was definitely on the cards if it'd progressed to a melee! Hopefully it would've protected me, TJ might have an opinion to offer on this? πŸ™‚

    higthepig
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    Suggsey +1

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