uplink – Member

There must be loads of big issue, social legislation that the Tories have introduced.

I just can't for the life of me think of any – can anyone?

council house sales? changed the social and political landscape irrevocably. For the worse IMO

Maastrict treaty. Biggest pooling of sovereignty ever

uplink – without looking Im not that sure we should see much grand social legislation from the conservatives. The conservative philosophy has always been one of the small state. It is in the ethos of the party. In fact it would be proof of their success if you couldnt find any! (now that means you had better go off hunting! 😉 )

as the Fraser Nelson piece alludes to, labour measure their success on the intent of their bills, not the output.

got to go now.

i think you theory only applies to conviction politicians not career ones, thus its's largely a dud.

I know what you mean tm.

Conviction politicians are the only ones I'm interested in…be they blue, red, gold or green. I'd rather sit down and have a pint with Norman Tebbit than Frank Field. (but both conversations would end in fisticuffs I think)

well it was lawson who first came up with the idea of pension holidays for businesses

thats a big social issue thats affected most of us

uplink – without looking Im not that sure we should see much grand social legislation from the conservatives. The conservative philosophy has always been one of the small state. It is in the ethos of the party. In fact it would be proof of their success if you couldnt find any!

Easy to find the small state mentality . Privatisation. What a success for the shareholder that was.

And what a total F*ck up for the UK.

New Layabout:
Countryside Rights of Way Act of England and Wales (unfortunately restricted to pedestrians)
Scottish Devolution (As a Sassanach I agree wholeheartedly with this one and would probably support further separation if a majority of Scots supported it)
Finally some investment in public services, but overcooked it a bit!

Tory:
Channel Tunnel?
Reduction of national debt
Yuppies

buzzlightyear i think youll find the reduction of national debt was about the oil boom arather than any amazing financial cunning
and it was the previous labour government who did all the hard work getting the americans to come here and get the north sea 'online'

Just listened to Nick Clegg's opening gambit
He refers to the "mistakes" & the disaster of the last 60 years under the big 2 parties

I dunno, given we were a totally broken country [in every sense of the word]at the end of the last war, we've done OK IMO
He's maybe been on another planet

TJ;For a man who likes to make a little dig at Christians,you have more blind faith than any I know.I look forward to WHEN labour lose (with your beloved all-party-to-all-men coming last).Perhaps you will leave the UK as a protest.

I don't. As shit as Labour are, the prospect of having the most inept bunch of Old Etonians ever fills me with dread.

CallMeDave can't even lock his bike up properly, ffs. 🙁

Yeah, I'd much rather have Gordon Brown in charge, he's down wit da yoof and knows all about Wayne Rooney's ankle.

And Cameron will do what? Come on, tell me, I'd love to know just how CMD and his Chums are going to magically transform this country (which of course is on it's last legs all because of Labour), and create some sort of wonderful Utopia where we can all afford private healthcare and employ foreign domestic staff…

Get real. They'd just **** things up even more.

haven't we already done the public school bit ? keep up at the back.

Duckman – wtf are you on about? – for the umpteenth time I am not labour supporter – they are not green enough and too authoritarian. They also like most governments it seems lost their way after ten years or so in power.

duckman – Member
TJ;For a man who likes to make a little dig at Christians…

That's all TJ24 does mate – dig,dig,dig 🙄

rarely expresses what he stands for but quick to criticise anyone else's view point with stream of polemic, usually ends with a few 'WTFs' & calling you stupid/childish….

You mean being stupid and childish just like that Hilldodger? I know I should be flattered that you find me so fascinating that you follow my every word but your childish digs are tiresome to say the least.

If you want to have a go at me at least try to make it adult and interesting instead of childish and dull.

Dig dig dig – what on earth are you doing with every post I make? Its pathetic. do you really have such a dull and unfulfilled life that this makes you feel better?

£700,000,000,000 debt and counting.

I'm with Hora. If you can't afford it don't buy it as my grandma used to say.

Borrowing more will not reduce the debt. They'll probably set up another multi million pound committee to assess if it is successful or not though anyway.

I can't see anyone doing any better to be honest as they all do what they think makes them popular rather than what is needed. It's a case of picking the least worst party to vote for this time. I'd like a "None of the above" box so no-one gets in :O)

What's the relative military success rate of the two parties?

What's the relative military success rate of the two parties?

Neither of them tends to say no to war

TJ; You have stated you are a liberal,I never said you were a labour supporter (so neither fish nor fowl.)You recently posted your wee thread about the tory chairman being a nom-dom.Your answer to every counter argument about all the rest stinking was "yes but what about the Tories,more to this..etc" Yup,that one has run and run.
Here you go,I am a third generation plasterer,you stated earlier that class influences thinking.I am voting Tory as the local guy will do more for my community,does that make me a class traitor if you take my roots into account? EVERYBODY votes for who suits/helps them and only a fool takes the education of the candidate into account.Best of luck on the 7th TJ,Don't think you will like the papers.

Time for a change, yeah not much diference between the big two but really can they do worse. ??? This lot have lied, took us to two wars and lined themselves all sorts ofjobs and intersets as result of it, Blair made a job for himself in the ME and will make millions out of the oil deal with the Chinese company he is linked to in Iraq.

As a Nation we have to have something to look forward to and this Labour lot dont offer me that.

Duckman – I have never said any of that. Really – there is plenty to debate without making stuff up.

I have attacked to tories yes – but NEVER as a way of distracting from what Labour have done. I simply don't do that at all. I will happily condemn labour when they gat it wrong and have done so many times.

Why don't you think I will like the papers? You clearly have no idea what I am expecting or hoping for.

Time for a change, yeah not much diference between the big two but really can they do worse. ??? This lot have lied, took us to two wars and lined themselves all sorts ofjobs and intersets as result of it, Blair made a job for himself in the ME and will make millions out of the oil deal with the Chinese company he is linked to in Iraq.

As a Nation we have to have something to look forward to and this Labour lot dont offer me that.

Utterly brilliant. You should work in politics.

Labour deserve a boot in the bollox for the wars, for their enthusiasm for tory economics, but I will never, f***ing ever welcome a tory government.
The alleged corruption?, really?, its small fry compared with what the rich, powerful and their friends in the Conservatives get away with, (but are always too savvy to get caught).

Two things that this government have done well are-1) The minimum wage; In 1997 I was earning £2.80 p/h cleaning hotels with a make-it-up-as-they-go-along contract. I never want to go back to that situation.
2)The Scottish parliament, despite the fuss over the building, the parliament has made a big difference to Scotland (as evidenced by the whinging in some quarters) and it'll provide a useful buffer should the worst happen next month.

El Bent — Cheers i would blend in well with the **** running the country at the moment, for one i dont spend money i dont have and two i pride myself on my honesty, reliability and integrity, Oh maybe i would not blend in after all.

Good for you. Your spin however is perfect for politics. 😉

And Incidently all Governments spend money they don't have.

but I will never, f***ing ever welcome a tory government.

Too 'king right.

Me vote Tory? To quote the Reverend Ian Paisley: Never! Never! Never!

I'm gonna vote Labour… (hides)

Or Lib Dems…

**** it, Greenpeace here we go…

My pal in Sydney voted for the Sex Party…

TJ; You do not want Cameron etc to get in.They will,hence the papers comment.

Actually I am reasonably relaxed about that prospect – he has no chance of a big majority and its doubtful the tories will be even the biggest party. Without a big majority they will tear themselves apart over the EC very quickly and there is a good chance a tory westminster will lead to an independent Scotland as Cameron will have no mandate up here.

A big majority would have been terrifying but there is no chance of that at all any more.

I haven't read this thread apart for the OP, but no major reform which has benefited the lives of ordinary people in the last 100 years, has come from a Tory government. They have all come from Labour governments.

And before that it was Liberal governments…… for example, members of the Miners' Federation of Great Britain (which became the NUM in 1945) stood as Liberal Party candidates.

As far as this general election is concerned, I believe that a New Labour victory will represent nothing more than an exercise in resuscitating a corpse.

I have in the past, tireless worked for Labour victories (until 1995). But I have only ever supported the Labour Party like a rope supports a hanging man. It is time now to cut down the festering corpse and bury it.

Tragically deep down inside, I cannot bear the thought of the Tory Party defeating even a 'New Labour' government – the consequences for ordinary people will be devastating. It has to be done however. And British politics must move forward.

Much as I want to see an independent Scotland, I feel really guilty about it.
It means potentially condemning lots of decent people in England to a tory government FOR EVER, and thats not a nice thing,
So remember that when you vote, kids…
(the above was meant as a hint to the potential tory voters in england BTW)

I can't think of a single, positive thing the tories have ever done…. except maybe one; The decision of John Major's government to abandon dogma and accept covert talks with a number of terrorist groups in Northern Ireland was a brave move, that has made a difference to peoples lives over there.

I can't begin to read this thread…

Both parties have created a culture of political mediocrity, where all parties have the same policies which no-one wants.

My politics aren't extreme. I'm progressive, slightly left-wing and believe strongly that the poor shouldn't be made poorer to benefit the rich.

So why do I detest this current Labour Party so much?

I'm progressive, slightly left-wing and believe strongly that the poor shouldn't be made poorer to benefit the rich.

Careful, I think that makes you a Socialist, in some people's eyes on here. And that simply won't do.

But I also don't believe in excessively taxing mobility (directly or indirectly), which also seems to upset the Singletrack lefties.

Oh dear. What are we going to do with you then?

To be fair Talkemada, I sympathise with PJM. I see no reason why the disabled should be excessively taxed.
And those scooters hardly cause any pollution anyway.