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  • Premier Icon weeksy
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    Qn mate,

    I assume we can both ride the practice together or do they split it ?

    Premier Icon Yak
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    Yes – you can ride the kids practise laps together. The adult laps split off, but given the later timing of your race, no need for you to practise until after the kids races.

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    thanks chap.

    p.s. the last thing i’d need to do is practice and tire myself out !

    Premier Icon nedrapier
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    This sounds like quite a fun challenge! How many disciplines you try out in 6 months? Might even give it a go myself!

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Well it went pretty well this week. We knew a bit more after last week about where to go and what to do, so it was a it less chaotic.

    Lining up on the grid was very serious. Although my lad was in the 10 and under catagory they also race alongside the 12 and unders in same race. So they seed/group them as per the 12s first, then the smaller kids behind them. All in all there were about 60 in the class… Which made it all a bit chaotic. My lad ended up on the back row (of about 8 rows), but he cracked and worked hard and rode well. Had a minor off losing the front end on lap 3, but got up quickly and recovered well.

    He seemed to enjoy the battling and overtaking, wasn’t too phased by being overtaken by the 12’s on their full on CX kit…. So all good. He was carrying great straight speed, but IMO he needs to work on gearing as he’s finding himself trying to power out of corners in too heavy a gear and really he wants to be spinning it more out of the corners to get better speed/power transfer. But it’s all good, he’s hot, sweaty and smiling 🙂

    As to finishing position, i have no idea at all, due to the classes it was chaotic out there so no idea who was racing who etc… Was a lot of very very serious kids too, all SPD’d up at 8-10 years old in full team kit lycra !

    TiRed
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    Looks very pleased with himself! Central League Cyclo-cross starts next week. Entry on the line is always available. Cheering is obligatory! Having a go is all that matters. That and falling in the mud of course.

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Xc rampage next weekend, see if he can destroy his crash demons from last weekend and get a good finish. With luck I’ll present ride course with him just in case.

    Premier Icon phil40
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    Don’t worry about the children in Lycra, my son wears full Lycra for racing, but that is because he is in a club (pedal2pedal) and he thinks it is brilliant he can wear club kit and race, he is only 6, but has an absolute blast! In his mind he is racing Niño Schurter each race 🙂

    I might be around for the next xc rampage, like yak says, keep an eye out for children (and a slightly portly dad) in pedal2pedal kit! If the adult in the kit looks trim and fast that is yak not me 🙂

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    9th out of 27… which considering his class is 10 and under and he’s only just turned 8, we’ve got to be VERY happy with.

    He lost 40s on lap 1 to his closest competitors. If he’d lapped the same as them he’d have got 7th

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Well the feature is trickier than I expected. Its not a massive hill but you need to be in the right gear so you can roll the crest with pedals level so you don’t bash them.

    My lad has been instructed to get in the woods first so he can attack it correctly

    .Great start, sitting in 2nd into the woods

    Leading after lap 1

    Crashed again! Same place.

    Finished 2nd!

    hora
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    I feel..Children should be encouraged but you need to temper this with moderation. 32km for a 8yr old is alot. What if he burns out, sacks off bikes due to a bad experience? Keep his hobbies varied, introduce him to new interests. So he has a range. Don’t sack off football but have a variety.

    Sorry to say there is more to life than one hobby.

    My son rides, swims, plays footballfootball in a league, is learning the ukelele and is about to start boxing.

    I don’t want him to have one sport. What if he’s a natural at canoeing or a world class sailer? Isn’t it a Dads job to add variety and try out as much as possible now?

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Lol couldn’t be further from the world really mate. He had done 2 years of football for a team, he plays flute in an orchestra, he swims a lot and enjoys plenty of time with mates.

    The 32km was a day out along the canal in France on holiday with jellies, cakes, bread and cheese. The last thing it was for him was a chore.

    He’s just told me its way more fun than football.

    Aristotle
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    I have to agree with Hora…

    It is good that your son is doing the races, but it sounds as if it (you?) could become a little too competitive/focused if not careful.

    It shouldn’t really be too serious.

    I remember daft parents shouting at players (and other parents and the ref) when I was playing u10s football and u12s Rugby League. My Dad only ever shouted encouragement for which I am grateful.

    It is hard to balance encouragement against pushing. My 6yo daughter has now started showing an interest abd more aptitiude in games/sports and physical activities, including her bike, having until recently not been keen
    -which is good. I have resisted the urge to push her towards riding and other things too much.

    It is also important that children aren’t always involved in “organised” activities.

    Free play is very important too.

    I will admit that I would like the children to do wrestling or judo (they both like a bit of grappling), but not for the medals and wouldn’t force then into it.

    My children will hopefully see that the healthy, active lifestyle of their parents is preferable to the sedentary, unhealthy life that many others appear to have….

    I have known quite a few people who were pushed into sports at a young age because their parents wanted it and then abandoned them all. Others took the sport very seriously and did nothing else.

    Yes, it could be the way to produce a future world champion, like Lewis Hamilton, but would you want your child to resent you or to turn out like Victoria Pendleton, other than the Gold medals?

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    He’s done 3 years of judo too.

    I honestly can’t put into words just how wrong I’m now being perceived as being. Its so so not what me or him are about.

    Even his t shirt shows our attitude

    Aristotle
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    OK, and it is a wider issue than you personally, but you did write:

    My lad has been instructed to get in the woods first so he can attack it correctly

    About an 8 year old.

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    That advice was so he could have a clear run into the technical feature and not make it harder by having someone next to him as many would get off and walk it

    Premier Icon Sandwich
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    Do they ru a coaching session or two alongside the racing? Mud Sweat & Gears do for the youngsters, big up to Steve for running the sessions. If you can find racing locally that does this he’ll get loads more from it.

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Nope, certainly something that we’d be interested in for sure. Also debating taking him next time I go to Jedi.

    Sitting thinking about it here based on the comments and I’m not sure why its wrong for me to want him to win or for me to give him the best chance of that with a bit of advice. Without getting too serious here, it was clear from his dnf race that he’s one of the fastest in the race for outright pace, so makes sense to guide him to use that to his advantage?
    It’s a proper friendly series and I was chatting to a few stwers but also the parents of the lad who won the race, he’s a road racer and this was his first xc race, he was also just out having fun.

    My lad rides bikes pretty much every day, racing his mates round the green and close, today’s race was very much in the same vein of fun and having a laugh.

    Premier Icon Yak
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    Nothing wrong with your approach weeksy. Your lad is quick, and your advice about the technical feature is sound. I was even coaching some of our lot on it prior to the race. This is a local xc race with a really good kids turn out, and pretty much all of them had a cracking time.

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Thanks mate. Nice chatting this morning. Maybe in a few weeks I’ll stay for the adult race and prop up the rear of the field.

    hora
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    An 8yr old doing 32km?

    I’m out.

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Why? It was a proper lovely day out. Climb at the end was tough for him but he loved it.

    Aristotle
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    hora – Member
    An 8yr old doing 32km?
    I’m out.

    A bit harsh there, Hora.

    I’m sure the lad was fine once he understood the benefit of training in different zones, all-out power intervals and periodisation 😉

    Premier Icon Yak
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    For coaching alongside the racing, try the southern xc series. Finished for this year now, but they have really good kids races followed by BC coaching on the kids course straight after the kids podiums. Works well imo.

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Cheers yak. We’ll see if his interest levels remain until next year.

    joefm
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    Skills are much harder to learn when you’re older. So I’d say BMX would be useful to get the basics down with some xc or trails thrown in.

    Premier Icon Skippy
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    Well done Weeksy jnr, always nice to achieve something at any stage of life. Bit surprised at the negativity on this topic.

    Premier Icon dc2.0
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    Another vote for (race) BMX. Amazing for skills, race discipline and fun. Far more friendly crowd at my lad’s club than some of the more traditional road/cross centric clubs we tried. My 11yo started at 9 (which is comparatively late; they start from 4/5). He can manual, jump and whip his way round the track and have a huge amount of fun. The local club also have them at the velodrome and even have watt bike sessions for the older kids. He even gets on a road bike occasionally..

    hammerite
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    I’m not sure I get the criticism of an 8yo riding 32km. It’s about 20 miles, so not really that far and by the sound of it was more of a day out with the bike as transport than anything else.

    When Jnr was about the same age we did a 60km charity ride. We took it easy, rode for an hour – stopped for cake, rode for another hour and stopped for chips, rode for another hour and stopped for an ice cream. He got loads of shouts and encouragement from others riding, there were others of a similar age riding. When we finished he got the football out the back of the car and wanted to play football for most of the afternoon. 7 years on and he still talks about it as one of his favourite days out on the bike.

    Some kids are quite delicate and would struggle with it. Others are a bit more robust and happy to do whatever is thrown at them. So I don’t think it’s right to judge what weeksy’s lad has done.

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Thanks hammer.

    In the same week he climbed Mont Rome in burgundy, which may not be a mountain but is a massive hill.

    After his 32km ride we played football 3 times that day and also cycled to buy bread.

    He’s not scared of a bit of work.

    Fwiw, I’ve never once made him race or ride, he asked if he could do it after watching the Olympic xc race.

    Swinley forest he asks me to go often and wants to come out on an adults ride so he can race us up the hills. I’m fairly sure he’d beat several of us too!

    After today’s race he rode 2 more laps, to go with the 3 he did pre race, then home, lunch and 2 hours of football, some cycling and Xbox.

    We then watched return of the Jedi before he went to sleep with his new fluffy dog teddy he got for doing brilliantly today.

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    Chapeau 8)

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Lined up… techincally on the wrong side as it’s a tight right hander, but i know he’ll be in the top 2-3 anyway by the time we get there

    Leading the race on the back striaght just after end of lap 1.

    Crashed, muddy and coming over the line for 2nd place.

    fasthaggis
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    Brilliant,he will be kicking your ass in a few months years 😉

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    Brilliant,he will be kicking your ass in a few months years

    You’re not wrong there ! he wasn’t easy to keep up with when we were doing practice in the morning. Although i blame my poorly ribs for that. 🙂

    I’ll be the first one to applaud him though when he does trounce me properly.

    He took his trophy into school today to show off at assembly, he’s very proud of how he did… I’m sure he’ll babble on about how if he’d not crashed he would have won lol.

    Think we’ve got a morning practicing skills and sessioning a few things at Swinley on Saturday, then will be potentially racing CX at Abingdon on Sunday, but depends if he fancies it… I’m pretty sure he’ll be trying again the Sunday after in XC Rampage though… we’ll be doing the techincal feature of DOOM ! a few times in the morning again that’s for sure.

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    Thought I’d use this thread for an update on the boys practicing today.

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    tillyfishes
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    I am at the Scottish equivalent of 1st year 6th form and have a couple of mates who race XC MTB and Road at a national level, I see day in day out, that they are too caught up with training, same with my friends who are swimmers who train nonsense hours a week and have no social life except the swimming friends. I on the other hand run a bit and MTB, having a good fun time, trying to beat my PB’s and just enjoying the great outdoors. This isn’t too say don’t get your son into racing but Having the freedom if the outdoors is great. If I was rearing a younger person into sport I would seriously be just letting them make their own decisions whilst taking them into the outdoor and mountains lots!. My parents didn’t ever suggest racing, they just took me too the mountains and I guarantee you that out of my friends the one who will still be cycling and enjoying themselves will be me. When he becomes a teenager – sport = endorphins AND endorphins = happy/not so grumpy teenager!

    Most of all HAVE FUN

    Premier Icon weeksy
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    Not quite that simple in leafy Berks. We’re trying to keep it fun as above, the racing was his decision. I do totally get your point though.

    2nd year of 6th form (after A-levels) I pushed of to Belgium for 4 months to race.

    Absolutely brilliant fun. Masses of socialising and seeing a bit of the world from a different perspective. Did similar every year until my early 30s.

    Premier Icon jonathan
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    weeksy – you (and more importantly your lad) seem to have a pretty healthy attitude to the whole racing thing. My two (now 6 and 11) have raced go-ride stuff since they were 4, but I’ve never pushed them and it’s always been about having fun. The problem with go-ride racing is that it’s too short and they don’t get to ride very much! The plus side of that can be that they get some good time playing and messing about with their racing mates, but this year they’ve been much keener on getting out and riding, and not racing. So we haven’t done any races at all, but we have done some great fun riding. It is easy to do that living where we do though (North York Moors). I can see the attraction of racing more in a more suburban area!

    As long as your lad’s having fun and enjoying it then it’s all good. Mine have both done some road racing, tried a bit of BMX, and the older ones also done some cross and track riding. Most of it is all fun, but it only takes an imbalance of competitive parents to make it suddenly not fun. Road stuff is most prone to it, and also prone to the arms race in bikes and kit (seen my 5 year old line up at an under-8s race against a lad on £1k weels and £200 helmet!). That’s not to say don’t do it or put them off, but keep the relaxed attitude and hope it rubs off!

    And to answer Hora, my 6 year old is perfectly happy doing 20+km off road and the 11 year old happy doing 50km and has been doing good distances since he was 5. And some kids do looong rides, because they want to. No forcing mine, just Jelly Baby incentives, all fun.

    My son made the pages of cycling weekly by the age of 5
    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/inside-mad-world-six-cyclocross-race-video-140088
    Enjoys the cx races but they tend to be quite short, he enjoys the competitiveness but we have never pushed him
    Now aged 8 he takes part in lots of different sports, most recent being surfing, was stand ing by end of first lesson so ultra keen on that at the moment
    With cycling tennis Cubs swimming surfing football he’s kept busy and t this stage were just happy to give him the opportunity to try things
    As he gets older we reckon he’ll choose what he enjoys the most

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