website costs

Oh right ok, I better tell them that then, so’s they can change their job descriptions…

They don’t need to change their job descriptions, just their job titles. Or perhaps your recollection of them.

Do I really need to explain the difference between development and design? Really?

I’m reasonably proficient at web development. I couldn’t be a web designer if my life depended on it.

No no no, you have rose tinted specs on there mate

No, actually wrong. I have clear glasses on; clear enough to see that a society built on consumerism of the kind we have at present is only good for people who can pay lots of money to sell their products to other people.

It doesn’t mean that I get to buy the best thing, it means I get to buy the best marketed thing.

It doesn’t mean I get to buy the most effective thing, it means I get to buy the best marketed thing.

It doesn’t mean I get to buy the least environmentally damaging thing, it means I get to buy the best marketed thing.

It’s your society too, the one that your kids are growing up in, the one that your grandchildren will grow up in, but never mind, at least people are making money from it.

It’s strange that when I introduced this idea to a Division Director at Samsung S.A. he was willing to listen and talk and to some degree agree with me, we haven’t finished talking on the subject.
Yet molgrips can only offer ‘rubbish’, and this is based on what?

This is getting boring without TJ repeating himself so here goes.

Emperor’s New Clothes. Think about it.

Guff.

don simon – Member
Perhaps not, but it is what it is.
It’s the modern way of doing business that has brought us to the current crisis as there is more competition, less real innovation and business leaders demand more.

Interesting. Most folk claim there is less competition.

Broken pages again!

I know TJ is trolling, but I do suspect that he does believe to some very great extent that he is unaffected by brand marketing and advertising. He is of course wrong, he’s been shown up hugely twice already by tiger6791. If you said you’d read which magazine you’d have more credibility than saying you ask other people for advice as you have now infact shown yourself to be the easiest influenced and best kind of brand advocate available. Brilliant Stuff.

I know TJ is trolling, but I do suspect that he does believe to some very great extent that he is unaffected by brand marketing and advertising. He is of course wrong, he’s been shown up hugely twice already by tiger6791. If you said you’d read which magazine you’d have more credibility than saying you ask other people for advice as you have now infact shown yourself to be the easiest influenced and best kind of brand advocate available. Brilliant Stuff.

Come on, the world has changed beyond recognition in the last 10 years. Look at the screen in front of you! Technological innovation is proceeding at a rate greater than ever before, if you hadn’t noticed from your hermitage in the Spanish mountains 😉

Where are all the missing posts????

It’s the modern way of doing business that has brought us to the current crisis as there is more competition, less real innovation and business leaders demand more.

The line between new inovation vs. continualed development of a product is a bit blured. Yet I agree with the point your making.

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I bet the OP would be really surprised at how this thread turned out

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I bet the OP would be really surprised at how this thread turned out

OP will be very happy, as I am. 😆

That took nearly 1 hour for p7 to come up. 😯

The pace of technological change is greater now than ever before. Just look at the screen in front of you. I can’t believe anyone could say there’s no innovation.

Even that classic advertising case study, washing powder. There used to be just washing powder, now there’s biodegradable and wash at 15 degrees – those are innovations. Both from an ecological and a marketing point of view.

Interesting. Most folk claim there is less competition.

Are these real most folks or hypothetical I don’t agree with you but have no facts to support me most folks?

When I was giving courses in a pharma company they had a calcium drug with no less than 10 competitors, non of whom had a USP (unique selling point). In the car industry the likes of Lexus, Tata, Dacia and even Daewoo are new entrants. As domestic markets are getting more and more saturated, new markets have to be found therefore increasing competition. Due to the crisis some companies are being lost, but up until now, I would disagree and say competition is increasing.

molgrips, you’ll understand if I ignore you, won’t you?

don simon – Member
> Interesting. Most folk claim there is less competition.
Are these real most folks or hypothetical I don’t agree with you but have no facts to support me most folks?

😀

Mostly the latter. We are always hearing that “globalisation” is seeing smaller companies being swallowed up. Then there’s the reduced number of Banks and, of course, the STW favourite, the supermarket doing away with all those small shops.

The line between new inovation vs. continualed development of a product is a bit blured. Yet I agree with the point your making.

This is where I left off with samsung dude, we wer looking at the new 9000 hdtv at 6,000€ which is slimmer and possibly the most beatiful tv I’ve ever seen, isn’t in fact the best quality picture. And you would be better off buying a tv for half the price. But to stay ahead you have to introduce new models. Is that good? That’s the way it is and it’s being driven by the brand managers who have to justify their own jobs/existenses. 😆

Then there’s the reduced number of Banks and, of course, the STW favourite, the supermarket doing away with all those small shops.

I believe that most market have a comfortable number of suppliers, in the UK and banking that number is 4 major banks. Once a fifth bank comes into play, the costs for the others become too high and we have to see a merger for the equilibrium and competitiveness to be restored. Regarding supermarkets, I guess we’re paying the price now. By exercising our right to capitalism we have allowed the supermarkets to dominate the marketplace. eventually removing our freedom of choice and as we are seeing now, that without competition they can increase prices.
Possibly you’re right in that there is less.

What if, right, you oiled a supermarket aisle, then you could use pieces of bacon to slide along it. Have competitions to see how far you can slide!

😮

Wheeeeeeee!

Just be sure you don’t slip on some of the verbal Diarrhea that you might come across here!

How was that taken Elfin? Moving the camera or moving the zoom?

Taken whilst sliding on bacon in an oiled aisle! 😀

Anyway…

The next time any of you are designing (or indeed building) an ecomms site, please refer to this helpful guide…

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/shopping_cart

New website with eCommerce section – all from scratch with brand new logo design and business style sheet – is £600 reasonable fee for the work? I seem to think it is, just wanted to check.

OK cool, it’s a guy I’ve used a lot in the past with great success, but not for a couple of years. Sweet. I guess office costs in Karachi are a little lower than Harrogate
<retreats and awaits jingoistic and xenophobic assault….>

Whats going here ?, no way I’m reading 7 pages of, errr, guff ?.

iDave.
That £600 quid you are paying your man in Pakistan.
What will happen to that money, where will it go ?.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/shopping_cart

That link is full of win. Awesome 🙂

THIS DEAL IS APESHIT MONKEY BANANAS had me, it was all going to win after that.

🙂

djglover – Member

I know TJ is trolling, but I do suspect that he does believe to some very great extent that he is unaffected by brand marketing and advertising. He is of course wrong, he’s been shown up hugely twice already by tiger6791

I know I am unaffected, I have not been shown up by anything on this thread. How on earth has tiger shown me up? All he has done is claim I do things and have motivations that I don’t have

Just a load of supposition and cant.

I have clearly explained how I make my decisions – based on mine and others real world experiences, price and convenience. Not on marketing ever.

Now too may of you guys are involved in this world and cannot believe that people like me exist because if you accepted people like me exist it shows how much your lives and importance is built on sand.

Teh problem is you cannot understand that people live with radically different lifestyle and values to you.

iDave.
That £600 quid you are paying your man in Pakistan.
What will happen to that money, where will it go ?.

my guess his he’ll pay the designers, the gas bill, maybe treat his wife to a night out. Shall I ask him for you?

druidh – Member

TJ – you lived in Scotland, not Outer Mongolia. Black DM shoes were very popular when I was at Secondary School. In fact, much more so than the red ones.

I find this fascinating – it really wasn’t at my school in Glasgow. No one wore docs at all.

however when I started wearing them was when I was working in Manchester – and again they were rare.

Must have been a localised thing I guess as my experience is so different to others

I’ll tell you something iDave, it doesn’t matter how much you spend on brand awareness if you’re not going to call potential clients 🙂

I believe that most market have a comfortable number of suppliers, in the UK and banking that number is 4 major banks. Once a fifth bank comes into play, the costs for the others become too high and we have to see a merger for the equilibrium and competitiveness to be restored.

Not sure I follow this? How does the entry of a fifth bank make the costs for the others too high? If you are assuming that the business of 4 banks will then be spread across 5 banks it is a rather simplistic assumption. From an Economics perspective you have to assume that the new entrant will act rationally and only enter the market if (1) he observes the encumbents making profits and (2) believes he himself can make a profit (perhaps through cost advantage, innovative process etc). This entry will increases competitiveness. You are then back into the good old ‘creative gale of destruction’, as Schumpeter called it, where the encumbents compete and drive down prices till some or all of them go out of business.

Now too may of you guys are involved in this world and cannot believe that people like me exist because if you accepted people like me exist it shows how much your lives and importance is built on sand.

No, you exist, and the marketers know you exist. Illustrated that in my Tesco Value post!

No you did not – simply because you were wrong in what you said on that post about me.

I do love the way you can tell me what my motivations are.

I didn’t resurrect this thread for you to start bickering again! It was just an amusing link and I thought it suited this thread!

No you did not – simply because you were wrong in what you said on that post about me.

I do love the way you can tell me what my motivations are.

But you said you were uninflueced by brands and just buy the cheapest regardless of quality. That’s fine and I understand.

But nonetheless you are a segment of a market that can be targetted. You are the segment which is uninflueced by brands and just buy the cheapest regardless of quality.

You cannot be disagreeing thus far?

I said that the following is what the marketers said:

In Tescos (or any other FMCG retailer) marketing department some years ago:

Marketing person 1: “I reckon there’s a segment out there that just wants the cheapest, isn’t interested in quality and thinks they’re unaffected by brands”

Marketing person 2: “you’re right, lets buy in some cheap products and price them below the brand leaders”

Marketing person 3: “great idea, because the segment thinks they are uninfluenced by brands lets just brand them very simply, how about we call them Tesco Value”

Basic understanding fail I’m afraid

I do not buy them because of what is on the label. I buy them because of price, convenience and taste.

This is completely unaffected by marketing in any form at all. No matter what the marketeers do I would still buy based on price, convenience and taste.

You don’t understand my motivations. You ascribe motivations to me I do not have.

I don’t buy “tesco value” or any other “brand” I buy what is cheapest in my local shop or the shop I am in. I by a tin of beans not a tin of “tesco value” beans

damo, did they say that, or did they say?
“there are quite a lot of poor people out there, lets get them to spend their money in our shop, we’ll produce cheap items, and save a bit of money on packaging by only getting labels printed in two colours”