Watches N+1…

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  • neilnevill
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    Oooo,v which one! I like the fleiger

    Kato
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    Flieger Klassik 40. Type A face. No date. No logo.

    Waiting to see if one pops up in the 25 days of Christmas sale

    neilnevill
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    Type A dials are my preference too, I’m not keen on the more cluttered nav-B. I also like stowa as they have historically, authenticity with fleiger watches. Fingers crossed for you!

    athgray
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    I am the opposite. I prefer type B fleiger. Fleiger are not the most cluttered of watches at the best of times.

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    Help me out….

    Middle_oab wants a watch for Christmas.

    He has tiny wrists so must be small. Is there equivalent of a Swatch in digital – on one hand quite simple and contemporary, on the other hand quite fun…?

    The polar opposite of most Casio watches…

    Budget is £50ish

    catfood
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    I was going to buy a Stowa Flieger but was bothered by the fact I couldn’t try on or even see an actual watch before buying as Stowa are mail order only, a bit of a leap of faith, although they do look lovely, went with a Tudor Ranger in the end, which is perfect on a nice NATO.

    c_klein87
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    Started to get into watches this year, 1st is my 1920’s (ish) Rolex, before they were Rolex, the movement is WM Rolex but i can’t find much out about it, was bought by my great aunt after the second world war, inherited from my grandfather. Second, Parnis diver, total bargain £63 for an automatic. Third, quartz Hamilton Khaki field, slightly regret not getting the mechanical.

    [url=https://flic.kr/p/2hWcDBx]379EAFBF-4B95-419F-94E0-D14CD64A9604[/url] by chris.noble87, on Flickr

    cb200
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    Parnis looks good. I like that stealth bezel look, epitomised by the (somewhat pricier) Rolex Yachtmaster 42

    c_klein87
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    The Parnis is excellent, 40mm so suits my small wrists, not the fanciest movement but was a bargain and nice first diver

    Kato
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    Had a type B Laco before and sold it. Busy but interesting face.

    Tudor Ranger on leather is also something I fancy. Was bidding on one on eBay last month but missed out in the end

    PSA. Bit big for my tastes but the 44mm Geckota K-01 is half price over at Watch Gecko

    £149 down from £299
    clicky

    For those into divers’, look at the Scurfa range. Great VFM and great looking. Designed by a saturation diver and watch enthusiast.

    catfood
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    Kato if you see a Tudor Ranger on a bracelet they’re good to go for too as you can really soften the price of the watch by selling the bracelet on Chrono24, they fetch very good money on there as do the camo NATOs that come with the watch (way too gung ho for me). I didn’t like any of the straps that the Ranger came on so bought it on a bracelet specifically to sell and soften the price of the watch, the bracelet and the camo NATO fetched five hundred Euros, although this was a couple of years back, which made the price of the watch much easier to swallow.

    plyphon
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    But omega are pushing their prices up constantly.

    I’ve noticed this too. First the AD told me it was due to Brexit/supply fears and the £GBP losing value – that was 2.5 years ago and the prices have risen still.

    I think it’s more so they’re seen as a direct competitor to Rolex – it’s a marketing play.

    It’s kind of working, too – the secondary market seems to be tracking closer to MSRP – if I sold my Speedmaster today I’d get either what I paid for it 2.5 years ago or maybe even slightly over. You’ve not been able to say that about Omega, especially a bog standard Moonwatch, ever in the brand’s history.

    plyphon
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    Blimey – I just checked again. An Omega Speedmaster Professional with the hesalite dome now retails at MSRP of £4000 (!!!) That’s a full £1k more than I paid for mine 2.5 years-ish ago.

    neilnevill
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    I think you’re right. In terms of case, bracelet, dial and movement quality I’d say there is little to choose between the two brands. Design and branding there is s bigger difference but omega do seem to be trying to close on Rolex., although Rolex seem to want to push up to pp, ap, jlc territory. Tudor are pushing up behind omega… Basically a lot of brands are pushing prices up hard!

    mikertroid
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    My 10 year old Submariner 14060M has a cr@p strap. Rubbish from new. They wanted £1000 for a replacement strap 🤪 it is, however a lovely watch that means something special to me.
    The Omegas always had nicer straps. The Rolex straps have been improved recently but I’m not a fan of the newer Submariners TBH.

    IvanDobski
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    Orient have a new Orient Star diver out which looks really nice and is a bit different to the usual sub “homages”.

    Link to picture cos I can’t get an actual picture to work.

    Kato
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    plyphon

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    Blimey – I just checked again. An Omega Speedmaster Professional with the hesalite dome now retails at MSRP of £4000 (!!!) That’s a full £1k more than I paid for mine 2.5 years-ish ago

    Hackett Watches will do it for £3295 still. I was going to px my quartz Seamaster but was advised to hold onto it

    neilnevill
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    miketroid, I know what you mean, omega bracelets improved years before rolex did, but the bracelet on a modern rolex is good, solid links, and the glidelock clasp on sports models is good and esy to use. the omega adjustable clasp is similarly good now…but rolex had the glidelock for 4 or 5 years before omega caught up there. other than that, I’d say its very hard to pick out any quality differences bryon the movements where rolex are ver, very good, but omega are probably a bit better ….but I’m an omega fan so respect that others may disagree.

    Premier Icon tthew
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    That orient is nice, and I’m not really a fan of the others people have linked on here. 44mm though, too big!

    Premier Icon Kryton57
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    Talk me out of this?    I want a Pepsi, and the Solar appeals….  is it worth adding to the collection…?

    plyphon
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    I’d say its very hard to pick out any quality differences bryon the movements where rolex are ver, very good, but omega are probably a bit better

    The new Omega co-axial is an incredible movement – too early to say about longevity, but currently the performance, finishing and technical prowess is well up there with Rolex, and above in some categories.

    The issue I take with Omega is that their Moonwatch still comes with a 1861 movement which is almost as old as the Speedmaster design itself. I know its a workhorse movement that has pedigree etc etc which holds a lot of weight – but it becomes hard to justify it’s tolerance of +/- 10sec tolerance when even the “cheapest” of Rolex watches comes with a Superlative Chronometer Official Certification which is +/- 2sec … it’s a noticeable difference. Last time I checked my Explorer it came in a +0 secs…

    johnners
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    Orient have a new Orient Star diver out which looks really nice

    Agree with tthew, lovely apart from the sizing. No design cues at all that I can see from the sub but I wouldn’t be expecting a sub homage from a Japanese major anyway.

    I want a Pepsi, and the Solar appeals…. is it worth adding to the collection…?

    Well, I’ve never liked Pepsi bezels and the only solar I’d entertain would be a Casio Tough so I’d say no. But you want one and have seen one that appeals so why TF would you care what I think? Are you talking Seiko here? There are loads of other Pepsi style bezels around if you want to branch out a bit.

    saxabar
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    Aficionados, any tips on good places/sites for women’s watches?

    Triple points if you have direct links to a watch that is designed for very small wrists, is anti-bling, beautiful in a modern and understated way, and under £400 (the last part does not apply to my partner!).

    Premier Icon lunge
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    For anyone who is hankering after a Sub but can’t get hold of one, a jeweller I know in Stourbridge has a 2 tone version with a gold and back face, gold and steel bracelet, 2nd hand, in store. Not cheap but it does look lovely.

    Premier Icon earl_brutus
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    TT subs are a bit marmite though.

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    …the only solar I’d entertain would be a Casio Tough…

    Not even an Eco-Drive Promaster diver?
    I have to admit I’m slightly taken with them, and I’m not so fussed about automatic divers anymore…
    That said I’m toying with getting a GW-M5610 as it would make a proper beater. So yeah Casio tough solar FTW…

    As for that linked solar Prospex I don’t doubt it’s good VFM but there’s just something ‘off’ about a Dive-style Chronograph it doesn’t quite correlate (IMO), it’s like it doesn’t know what sort of watch it actually wants to be, so it’s going to try and be as many different watches as possible… just me perhaps.

    johnners
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    Talk me out of this?

    Sorry, didn’t see the link first time round or I’d have also been manking about the visual fussiness of a chrono being at odds with a diver and only getting Hardlex when you’re paying the thick end of £300. But that’s the Seiko tax for you and we clearly look for different things in a watch!

    I’m toying with getting a GW-M5610

    The 5610 is very nice but I’m leaning more towards a white AQ-S810. Very affordable but not cheap enough for me to break my “no more watches in 2019” resolution! I had an orange AQ-S800W briefly but it was a little too dainty and the legibility was too compromised.

    Premier Icon Kryton57
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    Sorry, didn’t see the link first time round or I’d have also been manking about the visual fussiness of a chrono being at odds with a diver and only getting Hardlex when you’re paying the thick end of £300. But that’s the Seiko tax for you and we clearly look for different things in a watch!

    After sleeping on it I’ve changed my mind anyway,  I think my next purchase should be non Seiko and a bit more “special” or “classy” in watch terms however long it takes.

    arcing
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    I’ve been inspired, by this thread, to revive my +1, which has been sitting in a drawer for 5 years.
    It’s a Christopher Ward Quartz Chrono, and from memory when I took it in to the local jeweller 5 years ago for a battery change, they said there was nothing wrong with the battery, it was the movement. The crown also doesn’t screw in.

    I’ve sent it back to Christopher Ward, and have just been presented with a £300 quote for a service and repair, which includes a new case. The watch cost me about £130 brand new! I’ve asked why it might need a new case, so I’ll wait to see what they say.

    The market rate for a quartz service seems to be about £120. Forgive my ignorance, but when a new movement (ISA 8174-220) seems to be about £38, wouldn’t it be cheaper and easier to just swap out the movement, rather than servicing the old one? What am I missing?

    Premier Icon tthew
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    Service price is all inclusive. Add the hourly rate to to change the movement, put all the sundry seals, cleaning etc. to the parts price, probably* works out more than a service.

    *IANA Watchmaker.

    plyphon
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    Unfortunately the economics of watches in that price range means that the service cost often renders the watch beyond economical repair. It’s worth doing if the watch is sentimental, of course.

    The movement swap will also include water proof testing, swapping the seals, etc. All takes time.

    arcing
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    It has some sentimental value, but I’m not sure I can justify that much.

    Premier Icon AlasdairMc
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    @kato – now I’ve got my Black Bay GMT (and a North Flag), I’m actually debating whether to sell my Ranger. It’s on leather, but the original Tudor strap could do with being replaced so I’ve got a Geckota one on now, with the Tudor deployant.

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    The 5610 is very nice but I’m leaning more towards a white AQ-S810.

    I’ve just picked up a 2nd hand AW-591, so I’ve got a cheap ana-digi G-shock it’s OK, ticks a few boxes (sadly not solar), but it’s just reinforced my desire to get a Square G, in which case why not get the Solar/6 band version (for an extra £25)… I suppose a square like the 5000/5610/5600 (depending on your price point) is just another obvious box to tick, if you like Casios, especailly G-shocks, but hardly an essential…

    A mate at work actually has a black AQ-S810 as his day to day watch. I chatted about it with him a while back and like you he chose it because it’s not comically oversized, doesn’t cost the earth, has analogue display but also useful things like stopwatch and alarm functions and it’s solar powered…

    Premier Icon Kryton57
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    AQ-S810

    Oooh – nice, and £33 on Amazon currently,  quite like the stealth black one.   I’m considering selling my Garmin Intinct as I’m just not using it and this could replace it as my camping / rugged watch.

    athgray
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    During the Black Friday Aliexpress sale I ordered the San Martin homage to the Seiko 62mas diver. The 62mas is a stunning watch, shame Seiko priced their own remake out of the reaches of most people.

    johnners
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    Oooh – nice, and £33 on Amazon currently, quite like the stealth black one

    I know, a proper “beater” price – still not low enough to trigger my embargo overide though! Watch it with the stealthier ones though, they look nice but I find legibility at a glance is a bit lacking if that’s what you need in a watch.

    I ordered the San Martin homage to the Seiko 62mas diver

    Better looking than the Seiko homage to their own earlier model too, IMO. I was very tempted, there was a bronze/green option I really liked the look of but I managed to find enough willpower until the urge passed. It’s not completely passed, I may have to revisit the San Martin store some time in the New Year.

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