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  • Premier Icon D0NK
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    So … did anyone ride this? Any angry natives

    [url=http://road.cc/content/news/116334-saboteurs-attack-wiggle-new-forest-sportive]Oh Dear[/url]
    But it seems one long time anti-cyclist gave it a go and realised cyclists aren’t as bad as he thought. Well done to him for being open minded enough to try, hope he tells his mates.

    DT78
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    I was out and part of my loop met up with the sportive all looked very ordered and people generally being nice and enjoying themselves. Quite a few police about. Only had one car get what i regard as too close, but to be fair i was overtaking a far slower rider on the beauliu hill so was two abreast, which ideally Id avoid. Lots of friends did it and enjoyed it.

    Shame to hear that at least one moron threw tacks on the road

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    I’m sorry to read that locals were putting tacks on the road once again and such a shame that they weren’t caught by the Police. So cowardly.

    I don’t know whether the organisers have held discussions with residents associations but they clearly need to. I still feel that there are too many entrants.

    Years ago I was involved in organising running races and the club worked hard with local residents to minimise any disruption. Those near the HQ were leafleted well in advance. All profits from the events went to local charities so perhaps this made people more tolerant.

    atlaz
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    cinnamon_girl wrote:

    I don’t know whether the organisers have held discussions with residents associations but they clearly need to. I still feel that there are too many entrants.

    2000 is too many? 16000 for the Ronde cyclo, Around 4000 (I heard) for the Paris Roubaix Sportive. Again I will make the point that the French and Belgians are welcoming of these sort of events so this is not about ACTUAL disruption or ACTUAL numbers, it’s about people not wanting to be theoretically inconvenienced.

    cinnamon_girl wrote:

    Those near the HQ were leafleted well in advance. All profits from the events went to local charities so perhaps this made people more tolerant.

    Wiggle wrote:

    We are also delighted to have donated £3,000 to the amazing local New Forest charity Oak Haven Hospice.

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    Yes it is atlaz, certainly darn Sarf where there’s far too many people. Of course people don’t want to be inconvenienced as having a car is supposed to give one independence.

    £3k donation is a joke! Entry fee was how much? We used to give a five figure sum to local charities, not bad for a running club with 100 members at that time who happily volunteered their time and much else.

    May I ask everyone what exactly is the legacy left by the Olympics? Has it changed anyone’s perception of being active? At least my son was suitably impressed and has bought a nice racer. 8)

    thomthumb
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    2000 is too many?

    it’s a national park. for the enjoyment of the nation. cyclists included.

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    Were the issues around the Surrey Hills resolved?

    Yes thomthumb I agree but a group of us weren’t made welcome there, in fact we had a really stroppy cah on horseback telling us off. Got short change from us lot!

    drofluf
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    Contrast that with the reaction of a horserider I met on a local and much smaller sportive.

    As he was passed by about the fiftieth cyclist he smiled at me and said “looks like I chose the wrong route today”

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    Wow, that was very public-spirited of him. May I ask what area?

    drofluf
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    Oxfordshire. To be clear there were only about 150 riders in total but generally round my way I’ve had positive interactions with horseriders.

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    That’s interesting but, then again, 150 riders is hardly going to mega inconvenience anyone. Maybe!

    Years ago I came across a horse rider/trainer in the Chilterns who asked if I’d mind riding alongside her young horse that she was training. She wanted to get it used to moving objects such as bikes. I was fine with that, horse kept turning its head to look at my mountain bike and had to keep pedalling due to having a Hope hub. She did say that, in her experience and view point, the worst cyclists were the roadies as they whizzed past silently. Often if a horse can hear you then they will be OK.

    neilm
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    As a horse rider and cyclist I can state that there are polite and considerate people who ride both, there are also idiots who ride both, so don’t tar all with the same brush.

    Just by way of information, the reason a horse reacts when a bike comes up fast from behind is because horses peripheral vision extend back a lot further than humans, so they can almost see behind themselves. If you watch any wildlife programs about Africa, you will see the lions, tigers and other big cats attack their prey from behind, and so even the best trained horse can react when a bike comes fast from behind, simply because their instinct tells them to.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    Just been chatting to guy at work who did the Wiggle ride.
    Apparently weeing (thankfully, not poohing) was a problem – instead of using the portaloos, some dirty buggers were peeing up the wall of a hotel!

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    neilm – it must be really tough riding a horse these days particularly if you have any road work. I do tend to ask whether it’s OK to come through and always give them a wide berth.

    Out of interest, can you be more specific about peripheral vision ie at what distance could a horse potentially hear a bike.

    Dez – I’m going to be sexist here and state that men always want to do a group wee, some tribal thing perhaps? At the races I was involved with, we had a lady complaining bitterly that runners were pee’ing up against her garden fence in full view of her young children. 😯

    Us laydeez would never behave in such an outrageous manner. 😆

    Premier Icon FieldMarshall
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    As the route came through our village again, I ended up driving on some of the route two or three times at the weekend, whilst “going about my daily life”.

    Can’t say that I was massively inconvenienced. Maybe held up for 10-20 seconds at most before it was safe to pass. Although I did end up head on with a couple of largish groups (10 or so riders) who were taking up quite a lot of road on some of the narrower/twistier sections. Overall it seemed to pass by without incident as the riders were fairly well spread out making overtaking easy.

    The closest call I had was an impatient van driver who decided to overtake on a blind bend and ended up on my side of the road coming straight at me. In swerving back in he made a good job of cutting up the cyclist he was overtaking.

    Didn’t see anyone answering the call of nature. 🙂

    There was a much bigger police presence this year, a lot more marshalls and quite a lot of event staff driving around in support vehicles.

    atlaz
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    May I ask everyone what exactly is the legacy left by the Olympics? Has it changed anyone’s perception of being active?

    I’m confused. Are you for sportives or against them as I’m struggling figure it out. As for the money raised, I think the local charity was the secondary one and designed to give something to the locals but it was more to illustrate that it was something rather than nothing.

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    A pleasing report from FieldMarshall. 🙂

    atlaz – I think it would be great if organisers worked with local people to offer preferential rates for accommodation, meals etc. and actually offer something to the community. Bouncy castle etc for the kids of entrants, make it a family occasion.

    This ‘ride in ride out’ way of doing things is not good hence the resentment. Local people could perhaps be ‘incentivised’ for taking part.

    I don’t have a problem with races or sportives provided that they’re kept at a sensible number and not 2,000.

    Sorry, just had a thought – you’re in France aren’t you? Can you go into detail about any events there?

    I did it the Autumn one last last year. Locals were friendly, and the only signs I saw were actually pro cycling signs put up in a couple of local hotels. I didn’t see any dodgy behaviour from motorists, horse riders or cyclists. 2 of us rode but we decided to make a weekend of it so 6 of us rented a cottage close to the old start point. I’m not sure exactly how much we spent overall but it would have been several hundred pound by the time you factor in accommodation a couple of meals out and local shopping. We also raised £2,500 in charity sponsorship money, including some from a local resident.

    The largest group I remember seeing on the road was around 20 people and that was very close to the start and before people had started to separate. After the first 30 minutes the biggest group was probably about 8 people. Overall I thought it was very well organised.

    atlaz
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    This ‘ride in ride out’ way of doing things is not good hence the resentment. Local people could perhaps be ‘incentivised’ for taking part.

    I don’t have a problem with races or sportives provided that they’re kept at a sensible number and not 2,000.

    Sorry, just had a thought – you’re in France aren’t you? Can you go into detail about any events there?

    I’m in Luxembourg but close enough to do events all over the area. The most recent one I’ve done, the hotels in the area are packed (every group in my B&B had at least one person riding) and there’s very much a sense that people are bringing something to the area. I could have driven to it if I’d got up a bit early but spent a weekend in Gent instead. The local riders were out in force and there were even people on knackered old MTBs and town bikes doing it but there was no discount for locals, they were riding for the fun of the event.

    The difference is in local attitude. They celebrate the fact people are coming to ride as the area as a whole benefits from the massive influx of tourism. Like I said though, its a general attitude; speaking to locals they view it as part of their culture and they are really happy to be sharing the area with outsiders. Same thing if you talk to people in the Vosges mountains for the sportives down there; it’s a nice way for people to discover their area and spend money. I’m sure there’s a couple of grumpy arses who moved there for the quiet mountains then found out loads of other people like them too, but I’ve not found many.

    Lets put it this way, I think other than the occasional nutter (like in the TdF the other year), tacks on the road of a sportif is not something that happens here, despite the numbers. Perhaps we’d be better off what makes the people in Surrey or the New Forest or the Highlands so determined to keep people away from their area that they’re prepared to hurt people riding bikes.

    neilm
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    Cinnamon girl, as far as I can tell, my horses hearing is better than mine and he can hear something coming up from behind, or round a blind corner a couple of seconds before it gets to us, depending on what it is and how fast it is traveling.

    However, what alarms horses is fast movement in their peripheral vision.

    So the combination of a whizzing or buzzing sound, which not all horses will recognise as being a harmless object (bicycle), and something approaching fast from behind is what can cause a reaction.

    As for the roads, it is no different for me as either a horse or bike rider, the advantage I have on a horse is height and size, as it’s not as easy to harass 550kgs of horse.

    My advise is just to make sure the horse rider knows you are there with a bell or a call, they will then be able to steady the horse, or in my case tell the cyclist that my horse is fine, unless they are carrying fruit or biscuits which he will assume are treats for him to eat!

    Premier Icon muddydwarf
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    ‘ride in, ride out’ forgive me if I’m wrong but didn’t the organisers move the start/finish zone OUT of the National Park area because of the temper tantrums of some locals?
    Now the organisers are at fault for not including the locals???

    Premier Icon FieldMarshall
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    Yes, it was the NF Equestrian Association who put pressure on New Park Farm to prevent the sportive from continuing to be based there.

    The new start/finish is now outside the forest.

    So whilst many people probably still stay within the forest, i expect many might now choose to stay outside the forest as it will be cheaper/more convenient. Thus reducing any financial benefit.

    It would therefore seem that the opponents are more concerned with stopping the event at any cost and as such have clearly got their own interests at heart rather than the local businesses. Given that many of the known opponents are elected councillors and are clearly in the minority it would appear that they are not representing their electorate.

    atlaz
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    My old man has had run ins with “locals” in the forest who’ve lived in Hants less time than he has. Last time they referred to him as “…you people…”. Says a lot.

    The most important thing for us when we picked somewhere to stay for the weekend of the Autumn event was that it was within easy riding distance of the start.

    Not sure how many other people would think likewise but if I was doing it again and staying close by was not such an attractive option (renting in the park was a nice weekend with or without the bike ride) then I’d be more likely to drive in and out on the day.

    Which would be a bad all round, more tiring for me, less money into the local economy, less good things to tell people about the weekend and the area which encourages future visitors and more tightly packed traffic on the roads either side of the event. much better to get people to stay over and drift home over the space of a couple of days.

    Premier Icon FieldMarshall
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    If anyone feels that any of the protestors may have overstepped their mark as a local councillor or has not followed the strict Code of Conduct, for example by maybe producing posters that are factually incorrect/inflammatory or acting in a manner that is deemed discriminatory, then here is a link to the New Forest District Councils code of conduct and complaint form.

    http://www.newforest.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1649

    bigyinn
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    I must get back over to the NF again soon. Havent ridden over there for years! 😈

    bikebouy
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    Looks like Plod are taking this seriously, finally, at last.

    DT78
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    ? where have you seen that? Last year some poor sod had a broken collar bone, it should have been taken seriously then.

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