V.Dull – One for the Hi-Fi bods pls – Speaker cable suggestions pls…
Hi Sorry for the dull topic…Still using the bits of string the hi-fi shop chucked in when I bought it nearly 20 yrs ago…
Using the following:
Naim Nait 2 amp, Arcam Alpha 5+ CD player, Mission 761 speakers, Moth Alamo turntable.
Not looking to spend a fortune but any suggestions on speaker cable that would improve the sound would be much appreciated.
NimPosted 7 years agoTheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTRSubscriber
I’m not a hi-fi buff, but did a fair bit of research for my AV set-up and ended up buying this stuff, which seems to do the biz
(someone who knows more than me may be able to put you straight though)Posted 7 years agochiefgrooveguruMember
If you can tell the difference between any reasonable gauge OFC cables in a true ABX blind test I’ll be amazed! If the runs are not massively long then the ‘bits of string’ will be as good as anything. I can give you techy reasons why if we’re both sufficiently bored.Posted 7 years agoMrNuttMember
I used to use Nordorst but its too costly and I had to give it back 😀
I now use QED Silver Anniversary stuff, its about £10 per meter and gives very good results, here’s the, erm, details:
QED Silver Anniversary XT Bi Wire Speaker Cable (Priced per unterminated metre). The QED Silver Anniversary XT Bi Wire-like the normal XT, successfully introcuces QED’s renowned X-Tube technology into a mid-priced cable for the first time. The precise cylindrical construction of the silver-plated, 99.999% pure, oxygen free copper cables reduces the distortion caused by ”skin effect”. The result is a completely neutral speaker cable that allows good hi-fi and home cinema equipment to shine. The QED Silver Anniversary XT Bi-Wire speaker cable is attractively finished, with each silver-plated core visible through a flexible 3.9mm diameter clear polyethylene outer sheath.
don’t skimp on the interconnects though, van den hul at least!Posted 7 years agojoolsburgerMember
8 quid for 10m it’s even flat.
You have to be careful with naim amps as they do not have a zobel network in the output stage so use at least 3 meters of cable and make sure it’s multistrand that there would work fine.Posted 7 years agolodiousMember
I have gone from bell wire to tri-wired Linn cable, and yes there was a difference (the Linn cable was not expensive back then, dunno what it costs now?).
As for interconnects, I have done comparisons between standard free cheapo cables, Linn’s standard offering (c.£20) and Linn’s Silver cable (c.£175) and could not hear any significant differences. I don’t know if the suggestion for using ‘van den hul at least’ was a joke, but in the context of your system, it should be taken as one.Posted 7 years agosam_underhillSubscriber
LMAO @ Nordst cable!
I accept that there may be some audible difference between some cables to some people (although I am yet to tell any difference myself), but spending over £15k on some speaker cables is frankly mental.
The connection between an amp and a speaker is electrical not pure liquid pixy dust. Surely once you’ve gone beyond a cable with a low electrical resistance and doesn’t change over time the electricity is still going to get from A to B.
have I over simplified it.
btw…. I use some of this to bi wire my front speakers and some of this for the rears. i still can’t believe that I didn’t buy the cheaper stuff for the rears. it was a moment of madness thinking that it was going to be buried under the floor and couldn’t be changed so more expensive must mean better (and I know better than that).Posted 7 years ago
Joolsberger is correct. The Nait 2 uses the characteristics of a certain length of NACA5 (our speaker cable) as part of the design. I might have some, mail me. A highly capacitive cable will cause the amp to oscillate, so avoid those. If in doubt, contact Naim HQ and they will advise you as to whether the cable you want to use is suitable.Posted 7 years ago
If you weave the Cat 5 cable as per the recipes on the web you wil get a high capacitance cable I believe, not necessarily good.
Try the Van Damme cable, makes the Richer Sounds stuff look expensive:
As good as my Kef stuff but doesn’t look as discrete.
Unfortunately mains cable appears lacking to me.Posted 7 years agomolgripsSubscriber
According to the shopkeeper, I overbought loudspeaker for my Cambridge audio ‘rubbish’ (he got very upset with me) by buying QED Silver Anniversary at something like £5/m at the time (2001 ish). However I only needed 6m or so and it made an astonishing difference, so it was definitely £30 very well spent!
It was just the bass cable run I upgraded at that time (treble run was upgraded later with other kit at the same time) but it reveald absolutely tons of bass detail and even a good chunk of volume.Posted 7 years agochiefgrooveguruMember
Interesting thinking from Naim. I’ve previously run into issues where a capacitative load in the crossover sets off amp oscillation which can be damped by the resistance of a skinnier speaker cable. Cables that are too long and thin will introduce a series resistance and thus change the woofers’ electrical parameters as well as changing the crossover’s transfer functions. Mains cable is fat enough unless you’re running extension speakers around a stately home.Posted 7 years ago
Amplifiers generally incorporate negative feedback to improve linearity.
This feedback, if designed badly (or ‘well’ according to some hifi companies) can allow the amplifier to oscillate (i.e. to produce a alternating output without any input, or ‘ring’ after the input has finished.
Connecting capacitative loads increases the risk of this behaviour.
You know it’s doing it because it sounds awful (and possibly breaks your amp).Posted 7 years ago
Yes, watch out for those dodgily built Naim amps that are cable sensitive…
I suppose you could look at it like that. Another view would be that it’s fine to assume that you will connect your amplifier to your speakers using a cable. If you could fix the characteristics of that cable by telling your customers what to use, you can then incorporate that data into your amp design. It’s actually a very intelligent piece of engineering, but does rely on people reading their manuals. Oh, and on people not providing misinformation on the internet. That’s also useful.Posted 7 years ago
What, a Naim power amp? Are you serious? It’s an very intelligent piece of marketing, not engineering.
Yes, I like it as a solution. Lol at your marketing dig. I’ve worked at Naim for about 10 years. We didn’t even employ anyone in marketing for most of that time, yet managed to sell about £100M of UK built hi end kit. I bet that really irritates you 😀Posted 7 years agogeetee1972Member
RichPenny – seriously, you work for Naim? How cool is that.
All smutty puns aside, seriously do you know how many hours of pleasure you’ve given me over the last five years?
OK so there’s no preface I could reasonably write to make that line sound any less ‘dave bromance’ thread but seriously, some of my happiest times off the bike and in the absence of my wife and son have been in the company of my Naim hifi.
Thank you.Posted 7 years ago
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