US Warship crash

Or perhaps:

“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”

? Ian Fleming, Goldfinger

Once looks like incompetence and lack of standards.

Although both ships nearly always carry some blame in a collision, the warship was hit on her port side, which generally means they are less to blame for the accident.

Although how the warship couldn’t of used her speed, acceleration and manoeuvrability to get out of the way seems very odd.

Although how the warship couldn’t of used her speed, acceleration and manoeuvrability to get out of the way seems very odd.

Not to mention the ginormous radar that it has. FFS, if they can’t spot an oil tanker coming, what chance do they have against an anti-ship missile?

“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”
? Ian Fleming, Goldfinger

or perhaps

To lose one (warship) may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness

– Lady Bracknell

Although how the warship couldn’t of used her speed, acceleration and manoeuvrability to get out of the way seems very odd.

I thought they had said the latest one (US John Cane) was caused by steering failure.

Not buying it, unless they were already too close all they had to do was radio the tanker and ask them not to crash into them

I bet the other boat drivers are all claiming for whiplash. Strikes me a classic crash for cash scam.

I bet the other boat drivers are all claiming for whiplash.

http://newsthump.com/2017/08/24/north-korea-threatens-to-sink-us-navy-by-leaving-stuff-lying-round-for-them-to-drive-into/

Just read this article, and its very enlightening, clarifies a lot of the issues involved, and some of those have been discussed at length on here:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/with-the-uss-mccain-collision-even-navy-tech-cant-overcome-human-shortcomings/2/

Pretty grim reading.
https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/us-navy-crashes-japan-cause-mccain/

https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/uss-fitzgerald-destroyer-crash-crystal/

Thanks for posting those, hols. Just read the Fitzgerald one. Outstanding piece of reporting, and, as you say, grim reading.

Wow.

Nothing to add.

Really interesting thanks. Amazing that their standards have sunk so low. I’m glad they don’t run an airline!

1.6 Billion on a ship but the cost of 2 human lookouts is a step too far?!

Just been reading the Fitzgerald piece Hols2 posted – Sweet baby Jesus! A cluster**** of biblical proportions. The true blame looks like it lies firmly with the US Naval command structure, that can allow a ship to operate at sea under such conditions, and which makes such a set of circumstances pretty much inevitable.
A navigation system running Windows 2000, for Chrissakes! Probably loaded from floppy disk, ‘for security purposes‘.

A navigation system running Windows 2000, for Chrissakes!

You’d be outraged if you knew what they were sending folk into space off…..

You’d be outraged if you knew what they were sending folk into space off….

Well, considering NASA used computers little better than a tarty abacus, with launch systems that were, pretty much ‘light blue touch paper, stand well back’…
I do know how primitive the systems were up until Apollo, however, a supposedly modern fleet warship, on active service, running software that isn’t even supported by the manufacturer is criminal. It was bad enough having to use Vista a few years ago!
I’ve just checked, Microsoft withdrew all support for 2000 and XP in July 2010…
Nearly a bloody decade ago! More security holes than a colander full of Swiss cheese.

You’d be surprised how much bespoke hardware operates on obsolete software.

Microsoft support is irrelevant as are security holes when it’s connected to an isolated system. Software applications will be designed to run on the OS and the hardware which underpins it. Problems arise when the computer which supports the application dies and a replacement cannot be sourced. The application will almost certainly not run on newer OS and emulators are not stable.

Sadly not just limited to the US. The following piece is from 2008 …
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jun/04/military.defence

Nearly a bloody decade ago! More security holes than a colander full of Swiss cheese

Hard to get to though and more importantly all the relevant bugs have been worked out.
If it doesnt have external access then an older system is often better than finding all the new bugs.

It was less than 10 years ago that some ATM’s were working on DOS. They may still be, I don’t know.

As above, the OS is stable and in an isolated environment is not vulnerable to many of the modern security issues.