Working for the 3rd sector, I am part of a big network of people who discuss and share information on current social/environmental issues. Further to my post which illustrates how Nick Griffin makes me sad, and the comments from folk telling me I should be outraged, etc, (I am still sad) I thought I’d share this with you all and call for some action against these lunatics. This is an email from someone in my network who works for an organisation called Positive Action on Housing:

“Dear Supporter,

As you will be aware, two members of the British National Party, Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons, have been elected to the European Parliament. This has serious consequences for all of us.

Less people went to the polls, meaning the BNP got a greater percentage of the vote. In fact, less people voted for the BNP this year, than in 2004; so there was no upsurge of support for the BNP, less people voted generally and therefore votes for the major political parties collapsed.

For anyone who believes that members of the BNP are legitimate, respectable representatives of the European Parliament, it should be noted that, firstly, Nick Griffin, the BNP’s Leader, is a convicted Holocaust denier, leading a fascist organisation, http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/Profile-of-Nick-Griffin.php . Andrew Brons was previously a chairman of the National Front. In 1982, he led an NF march through Northfield on which marchers chanted “We got rid of the blacks”, “Death to Jews”. (http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/Andrew-Brons.php)

For those who claim the “free speech” argument, there is a clear correlation between fascists speaking on a public platform and violent racist attacks on members of minority ethnic communities, Asylum Seekers and Refugees, and other minority groups. We do not believe in free speech for Fascists, as they are using a non-violent platform, to promote their own racist and extremely violent policies and manifesto.

The politics of the BNP stand in complete opposition to the values and beliefs of a decent civilized society. Nick Griffin does not advocate non-violence, he denied the Holocaust and stood on the very spot where Black Teenager, Anthony Hopkins was murdered for going out with a White girl. Griffin claims this was not a racist attack. He is not a person who should be respected.

TAKE ACTION NOW

1. We call on all SCOTTISH BME ORGANISATIONS, VOLUNTARY ORGANISATIONS AND HOUSING PROVIDERS to circulate this email to your colleagues and committee members, hold work place meetings, raising awareness of exactly what the BNP stands for and that they have no place in our midst and publicly display this poster in your reception area and other resources available on http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ .

2. We are calling on STUC and all Trade Unions to take up the ‘Hope not Hate’ campaign and brief your members and circulate the leaflet at this link http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/download/Union_Friday_May09.pdf link to your members.

3. We call on MPs, MEPs, Councilors and MSPs to demonstrate their resistance to fascism and publicly declare not to share a platform with these two MEPs or any other Member of the BNP.

4. Sign the attached petition and get your friends, family, colleagues and others to sign it too,

5. If you have any other ideas for campaigning to make our voices heard, please reply to this email

6. Send messages of support to home@paih.org

7. Please support our campaigning work and donate now to: https://www.charitychoice.co.uk/donation.asp?ref=51590

Thank you for your support,

R Qureshi

On behalf of Positive Action in Housing “

No doubt, there will be a prominant and more organised resistance movement soon, but why wait for someone else to do it, right?

I’m not reading all that, summary?

What’s 3rd Sector?

Do something dude. Form the resistance.

SaboteurCherie = Igom

Where you been duudeee.

unfortunately a proportion of the pupulation hold the same views as the BNP, therefore they get a proportionn of the vote, therefore they get a proportion of the seats.

As a result they get a proportion of they say in what goes on. Thankfully its a very small proportion.

FFS. They are in the EU Parliament. They will have no real power and given enough rope will hang themselves.

Can I suggest a more appropriate campaign, seeing as you have so much time on your hands, would be to petition the main parties to get their acts the **** together and start running proper campaigns with proper policies instead of dipping their snouts ever deeper in the trough and sniping at each other?

Voter apathy got the BNP in, that’s the fault of Brown, Cameron and Clegg. Rather than wasting your time fighting against what was, under the circumstances, a fair result give the big three a punch up the bracket.

Anyway, if Griffin is a Holocaust denier won’t he be arrested the minute he enter the EU Parliament?

The BNP rise is bad news.

Just to clarify, many Labour MP’s including cabinet ministers have been card-carrying members of the Communist Party in the past. Many many MP’s have criminal convictions.

Using UAF-tainted organisations as “proof” to get your point across will get you nowhere. The UAF are really making pillocks of themselves at the moment.

Good luck, your hearts in the right place but you come across as a bit of a numpty.

and what ever happened to:

“I amy not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll fight to the death for your rights to say it?”

Or does that only apply to people you agree with?

Has anyone found anywhere online a good analysis of the BNP policies? as its seems odd that none of the political journos have started breaking it down and asking what exactly he means by certain ‘phrases’.

On yeah, and I don’t think people should be able to comment on the political threads unless they actually voted 😉

richc – Member
Has anyone found anywhere online a good analysis of the BNP policies? as its seems odd that none of the political journos have started breaking it down and asking what exactly he means by certain ‘phrases’.

You Tube – lots of interviews with Griffin adn some of his party faithful – most illuminating, Also watch the Panorama doc White Flight and you can see his recruiting ground and why he has some success.

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IGMC

We do not believe in free speech for Fascists.

The whole point of freedom of speech is to defend the expression of views you don’t agree with. Dispensing with it when confronted with such views is itself the preserve of Fascism.

Also as your post points out, less people voted for the BNP than before. How is this ‘the rise of Fascism’?

‘the rise of Fascism’?

You’re right, it’s more a case of the apathy of everyone else, which, to be honest, isn’t The BNPs’ fault.

Igom?

We do not believe in free speech for Fascists.

Sorry, but hundreds of thousands of people went to war and died fighting fascists so that everyone could be allowed free speech.

It is a fundemental human right that we should be striving to give to all.

However, the right to be listened to is not a fundemental right and as such any efforts need to be targeted towards the media and communities at risk of being affected by the BNP. By petitioning politicians you will (and I hope) achieve nothing.

SaboteurCherie – Member

BNP got voted for by people that agree with there policies, perhaps a start would be to find out why those people have voted that way. Given that you are probably trying to find houses for people who voted BNP or for people who BNP voters don’t want. Why not get your job done and help solve the problem not the symptom. We can rant all we want about the BNP but what will kill their vote is solving a few issues.

For anyone who believes that members of the BNP are legitimate, respectable representatives of the European Parliament…

Respectable? No. Legitimate? Definitely. Tying the two words together in the one sentence is a cheap debating tactic.

BNP got voted for by people that agree with there policies

Not quite. BNP got voted for by people who agree with some of what they think their policies are.

Just to clarify, many Labour MP’s including cabinet ministers have been card-carrying members of the Communist Party in the past.

What’s that got to do with it ? Did the Communist Party call for the deportation of black, asian and non-British born people ? Was the Communist Party homophobic ? Did the Communist Party say that your accident of birth determined your rights ? Is that what your saying ?

Or are suggesting that opposition to Fascism is solely based on “disagreeing” with them ? It’s **** all to do with “disagreeing” with them. I very strongly disagree with the Tories, but I have absolutely no intention of opposing the Tories in the same way in which I intend to oppose Fascism.

In fact, I would be very happy indeed to work with the Tories in opposing Fascism. There can never ever be a justifiable “excuse” for not opposing Fascism, however hard you might try to find one.

And if you’ve got a problem that “many Labour MPs including cabinet ministers have been card-carrying members of the Communist Party in the past” enfht, I strongly suggest that you mount a campaign to expose the communists which you claim are in the British cabinet.

In the meantime, will you be supporting the fight against Fascism ?

Cool, can you be convicted for ‘holocaust denial’ in UK too? I know you can in austria and germany.
Or perhaps Griffin actually went abroad to do his denying… I bet he wore union jack shorts and gurned at the food.

Cool, can you be convicted for ‘holocaust denial’ in UK too?

No.

Are the BNP actually fascists, or are they ‘just’ xenophobes? Do they advocate an authoritarian hierarchical government for example? Just wondering…

gurned at the food.

To be fair German and Austrian food is pretty dire.

I would say that those who are trying to deny the BNP their rights are fascists, and therefore worse than the BNP themselves.

Psychle, It’s a good question. I think it’s easy for people to label them as such. There are fascist undertones to their nationalism, anti-liberalism/intellectualism, and I think some of their rhetoric amounts to nothing more than propaganda. These are not unique to the BNP though. For me they are not out-and-out fascists.

I would say that those who are trying to deny the BNP their rights are fascists, and therefore worse than the BNP themselves.

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Are the BNP actually fascists

Time to yet again roll out the video which I keep posting on here……

According to Nick Griffin (and he is the leader of the BNP after all) the BNP “ideas”, as he calls them, are the same as the Ku Klux Klan’s “ideas”. He really couldn’t make it any clearer in this video.

And he also couldn’t make it any clearer (he practically spells it out letter by letter) that the BNP has absolutely no intention whatsoever, to tell the British people what they really think (which according to him, is exactly the same as the KKK)

You’re going to ask me if the KKK is fascist now, aren’t you ? 🙄

Yep… fascist doesn’t necessarily mean racist or vice-versa, does it?

Did the Communist Party call for the deportation of black, asian and non-British born people ?

Not in Britain perhaps, but communism is no guarantee of fair treatment it seems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union

(not forgetting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge)

Mlehworld troll

At the risk of “trolling”, who are “positive action in housing” anyway?

This email comes form someone advertising in the sig line about “positive housing”.

What is “positive” housing? I am familiar with the concept of “positive”, in that say one man lives in a sub standard house, one has no home, and helping the one with no home first is “positive”, but these days, “positive” has its own “discriminatory” tone, and is used as a nice byword for “discrimination” in itself.

I’d hate to make the quantum leap that someone who discriminates, is against people who discriminate. However you allocate scarce resource like housing, someone loses out. Someone is “discriminated” against.

I can’t see me ever on my own affording a home in the south east where I live, the rent kills me on a monthly basis, but theres no rush to help me. Indeed, as a propertion of my outgoings, given council tax discounts of only 25%, and that I am funding education and other things I will not use, I am “discriminated” against myself for my marital status. Of course in the real world, firstly kids lives do need to be safeguarded and I am sensible enough to recognise that todays education funds tomorrows pension (but by the time I claim my state pension, they probably wont exist, or be so small that they’re essentially worthless)

But it seems No ones being very “positive” to me these days.

Sorry, but Scottish Action Against Fascism – how many BNP MEPs did we elect? We have already taken our action by not voting for them. I’m quite proud to say we don’t need told – thanks

We do not believe in free speech for Fascists,

I do not accept this position. shout ’em down by all means but they must be allowed to speak. Once we decide who is not allowed a public platform where does it stop? Myself I would like to ban the tories –

Did the Communist Party say that your accident of birth determined your rights ?

Let’s start with this charmer shall we?

For those a bit less clued in than you like to think you are, his name is Josef Stalin. Highlights of his time as leader of the communist utopia – starvation, famine, the deportation of millions of ethnic minorities and the signing of a non-aggression pact with Hitler.

However, much as he may be one of the heroes of cmmunism, he does pale somewhat when comapred to Pol Pot

From wiki

During his time in power, Pol Pot imposed a version of agrarian collectivization, forcing city dwellers to relocate to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labor projects, toward a goal of “restarting civilization” in “Year Zero”. The combined effects of slave labor, malnutrition, poor medical care, and executions resulted in the deaths of an estimated 750,000 to 1.7 million people, approximately 26% of the Cambodian population.

Really? fanfekkintastic.

Maybe you were thinking of someone less extreme. Possibly the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party, led for a few years by everyone’s favourite genocidal maniac.

I think I understand your aversion to free speech and democracy

Not again! logging out. 😥

I’m in the 3rd Sector and I will not be supporting that crap!

Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness used to wield guns and be (still are) members of proscripted organisations back in ‘the day’ yet what are the authors of that pile of horse manure going to do about them now they are a ‘legitimate’ political organisation?

Where were you when freedoms of 1000’s of innocent people were being challenged in N.Ireland by cowardly murdering scum?

What are you going to set up against next? Cats Protection League – now they are a bunch of thugs!

Stalin / Pot / Husain were never communists – they were totalitarian dictators using the language of socialism

You mean the man whose job title was ‘General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’ wasn’t actually a Communist, he was just having a laugh all along?
And neither was the acknowledged leader of the Communist Party of Kampuchea, aka the Khmer Rouge?

Well I never. Who’d have guessed that?

And what about Mao Tse Tung, who claimed to be Chairman of the Communist Party of China?

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