UK's first Muslim Sectarian Murder ?

Firstly, whenever a Muslim commits an appalling crime there is a tendency to emphasize the fact that they are Muslim. In contrast when a crime is committed by a christian or an atheist, for example, there is usually little emphasizes on their beliefs.

In the same way that only one of these was labeled as terrorism, the others were just mass shootings or normal law breaking…
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/456893
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/423223
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/359830http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-04/militiamen-seize-us-government-buildings-reports/7065464

Firstly, whenever a Muslim commits an appalling crime there is a tendency to emphasize the fact that they are Muslim.

No there isn’t. For example the Rotherham accused were almost always being described as of Asian origin when Muslim would have been more accurate. They weren’t Sikh or Hindu they were Muslim.

As for terrorist attacks – mentioning the fact they are Muslim is relevant when that religion is a motivating factor in the atrocity concerned.

Firstly, whenever a Muslim commits an appalling crime there is a tendency to emphasize the fact that they are Muslim.

No there isn’t. For example the Rotherham accused were almost always being described as of Asian origin when Muslim would have been more accurate. They weren’t Sikh or Hindu they were Muslim.

Seeks to disprove point by proving point. I’m confused. Moreso by what their religion had to do with the fact that they were paedophiles (beyond sharing a common denominator), I don’t see the religious preferences of Savile et al being called into question.

Muslim death in the news and Jambalaya all over it like a pig in shit… Surprise, surprise…

“Firstly, whenever a Muslim commits an appalling crime there is a tendency to emphasize the fact that they are Muslim.”

No there isn’t. For example the Rotherham accused…….

Are you seriously suggesting that there was little attempt to emphasize that they were Muslim? That’s remarkable. Did you eventually find out after reading extensively about the case?

As an aside it seems the murderer was a Bradford Uber driver. Uber have said he passed all driver screening including “enhanced” criminal bureau checks

Unfortunately those background checks don’t ask if you base your entire life decisions around a make believe man in the sky.

It doesn’t matter if it’s Christianity, Judaism, Islam or whatever particular fairy story someone believes in, religion is just awful.

@boarding “man in the sky” has no relevance here at all

@benny and your point is ? My point is that this is I believe the first overtly sectarian Muslim on Muslim murder I am aware of. This is relevant due to the many 100’000s of similar such sectarian murders in the past 10 years in the Middle East. What I worry about is that spreading to the UK where we have many Muslims living perfectly happily and contributing positively to our spciety who risk being the victims of a small group of fanatics

@boarding “man in the sky” has no relevance here at all

Globalization for you- You can’t import people to pick asparagus cheaply(or drive cabs) without importing their deranged ideology.

What I worry about is that spreading to the UK

The UK already has sectarian violence. does that keep you up at night as well?

Or get rid of the locals who also are a murdering bastards, the UK has a fair amount here doing more damage and killing people.

On average a woman is murdered by her current or former partner every 3 days in England and Wales, overwhelmingly in the christian/atheist community, not the “Islamic community”

Bad people exist everywhere shocka.

Great, but provide the per 100,000 rates of spousal homicide within communities of different religious persuasions, then control for it and various other factors like domestic abuse support, and then finally…we can talk.

Did you know that far more men are killed by their spouses in Cornwall? Why is that?

Great, but provide the per 100,000 rates of spousal homicide within communities of different religious persuasions, then control for it, and then finally…we can talk.

Why don’t you do it? You obviously think it’s significant.

I dunno, Cornwall’s got quite high deprivation rates. You could infer something from that probably

Why don’t you do it? You obviously think it’s significant.

I think that most religions are, if not responsibile for humanities general culture of misogyny, at least responsible for legitamizing it and carrying it on longer than it needs to.

Islam just gets a bashing from all quaters including non-skinhead atheists because it’s the most vocal religion left in the western world, Christianity is on the way out – so doesn’t cop as much flak.

And yes, I might.

I don’t know any non-religious text thumping mates that want a “good woman” who “respects me, bro”. Like I’ve heard from so many other quarters. Most religious texts are awful pieces of work, they and their followers wouldn’t be defended nearly as much if those texts didn’t have the label “religion” ascribed to them.

The UK already has sectarian violence. does that keep you up at night as well?

As someone who worked in London throughout the active IRA campaign I am pretty focused on such violence and for years modified by behnaviour to minimise risk. It doesn’t matter to them I’m Catholic too.

@ernie domestic violence is something every society has to deal with, we will sadly never eradicate it. I feel quite differently about terrorism. Someone isn’t going to blow me and dozens of others up on the bus to work because they don’t get on with their wife.

As someone who worked in London throughout the active IRA campaign

No you didn’t.

Some bizarre whataboutery trying to excuse the inexcusable on here…

@ernie domestic violence is something every society has to deal with, we will sadly never eradicate it. I feel quite differently about terrorism. Someone isn’t going to blow me and dozens of others up on the bus to work because they don’t get on with their wife.

You are far, far more likely to be killed by your partner or ex-partner than a terrorist. A female homicide ictim is more than six times more likely to have been killed by a partner or ex-partner than a male murder victim. Perhaps you feel quite differently about terrorism because you perceive yourself to be at greater risk from it than domestic violence?

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_394478.pdf

Someone isn’t going to blow me and dozens of others up on the bus to work

FTFY.

Violence in general isn’t even in the top 10 causes of death.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index1.html

Five people killed on UK roads every day. That worries me a bit more than terrorism, to be honest.

Five people killed on UK roads every day. That worries me a bit more than terrorism, to be honest.

Though the families of road accident victims don’t need to be warned by the police to be careful what they say in order to protect their security.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12205279/Murdered-Muslim-shopkeepers-family-fear-for-their-lives.html

Christianity is on the way out.

Oh no its not !

Take a trip to West Africa(random example) maybe you could do a six month year sabbatical in a lab in the bush, then come back and tell us all about it

Take a trip to West Africa(random example) maybe you could do a six month year sabbatical in a lab in the bush, then come back and tell us all about it

…..in the west.

My anti-colonialist leanings mean that I don’t really care for preaching about Christianity in Africa, they’re more than capable of learning the hard way like we did

Having said that, things like white missionaries going to places such as Papua New Guinea makes me livid with rage.

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Some bizarre whataboutery trying to excuse the inexcusable on here…

Nobody is excusing murder, just not joining the slightly rabid bandwagon linking this to the end of the western world and the import of the problems of the middle east.

Graphs everyone loves a graph.

So far from what it was.

Christianity has almost 50% more followers than Islam.

Drac – Moderator

Graphs everyone loves a graph.

So far from what it was.

Crikey, that’s the worst abuse of a graph I have seen. 🙄

C’mon! Correlate this …

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That’s not how it is, you can have compassion for people whilst pointing out their behaviour and belief’s are both wrong and unacceptable.

Calling an ideology religion doesn’t make it acceptable and whilst Islam may not be the only problem we have that doesnt mean it isnt a problem.

Calling an ideology religion doesn’t make it acceptable and whilst Islam may not be the only problem we have that doesnt mean it isnt a problem.

That’s an entirely valid point… it’s all too easy to completely dismiss it as either scaremongering tactics of the media, or prejudice, but the truth is, there is extreme elements of Islam (as there is with Christianity and Judaism).

To overcome the problems all these religious nutters cause, we have to look at who is furthering their cause, which is often easiest to identify through funding*…

*Cough: Saudi Arabia, Israel, USA

Who is allies with such regimes?

Calling an ideology religion doesn’t make it acceptable and whilst Islam may not be the only problem we have that doesnt mean it isnt a problem.

This is one case in the UK, we still don’t know much about the mental state of the killer, or some more of the facts obviously. There are 2 parts here one a single case doesn’t tell you anything it could be isolated, the first of thousands or actually nothing related to what you think. Secondly is the bit there where “I’m not racist buts” kick off with all the usual crap.

@Drac my argument would be that the terrorist problems of the 1970s 80’s and 90’s have been dealt with. The very real threat facing us today from Islamic extremism is greater than any other terrorist threat we have ever faced. Just look at the last 18 months, also Brits shot on the beach in Tunisia is just as much of a problem as people killed in Paris or Brussels.

Yeah they have been ‘dealt’ with most stopped such as the IRA but is Islam a greater threat. It appears not no but when they have attacked it has been with greater effect. Certainly the figures aren’t as bad as we had in 70s and 80s when IRA attacks were pretty much weekly.

I think this demonstrates the risk of Scotland not having control of its own borders due to British Union laws. We are powerless to stop foreign lunatics engaging in acts of terrorism.

Graphs everyone loves a graph.

If we want to band shit misleading statistics around, now weight the graph for percentage demographics…. 😆

I think this demonstrates the risk of Scotland not having control of its own borders due to British Union laws. We are powerless to stop foreign lunatics engaging in acts of terrorism.

Building a wall around Yorkshire would be better.

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Police Scotland just released this statement from the family

Following the death of Asad Shah in Minard Road, Shawlands, on Thursday 24 March 2016, his family have asked us to release this statement on their behalf:
On Thursday evening (24th March), a beloved husband, son, brother and everyone’s friend, Asad Shah, was taken away from us by an incomprehensible act. We are devastated by this loss.
A person’s religion, ethnicity, race, gender or socioeconomic background never mattered to Asad. He met everyone with the utmost kindness and respect because those are just some of the many common threads that exist across every faith in our world. He was a brilliant man, recognising that the differences between people are vastly outweighed by our similarities. And he didn’t just talk about this, he lived it each and every day, in his beloved community of Shawlands and his country of Scotland.
If there was to be any consolation from this needless tragedy, it came in the form of the spontaneous and deeply moving response by the good people of Shawlands, Glasgow and beyond. As a family, we would like to express our deepest gratitude to all who have organised and participated in the street vigils, online petitions and messages. You have moved us beyond words and helped us start healing sooner than we thought possible. You were Asad’s family as much as we are and we will always remain with you.
One of our brightest lights has been extinguished but our love for all mankind and hope for a better world in which we can all live in peace and harmony, as so emphatically embodied by Asad, will endure and prevail. Asad left us a tremendous gift and we must continue to honour that gift by loving and taking care of one another.
We will not be making any further comments on this tragedy and ask everyone, especially the media, to allow us the privacy we need to grieve and heal away from the public eye.
With deepest appreciation,
The Shah Family

Thanks for posting @Boarding

He indeed sounds like a role model for all of us in the UK

@Drac IRA was focused on casuing commercial damage in the UK plus sectarian murder in NI. Suicide bombing and the Kalishnikov style attacks are imo a very much greater threat. Aren’t most / many of the deaths in that table a result of Spanish seperatists ?