http://getbritainout.org/

typo there as you said lobby not loony

It such a shame to see the desire to be isolationist rather than all be in it together on the little blue dot – never seen that before …cheers

So are we suggesting that a significant proportion of people living in Scotland have a desire to be isolationist rather than all be in it together on the little blue dot?

Not sure are we?
I think they want to be in the european union but not the British one….oddly the other unionists like this one and not the other

Always find it amusing that they like unions where they decide/bully /control but not ones where they are only a player – same as UKIP I assume who are pro the Union I assume but not that one.

Not sure are we?

Well the suggestion appears to be being made that not wanting to be in a union is “isolationist rather than all be in it together on the little blue dot” – I was simply looking for clarification on whether that applies to all unions, or only the ones you like.

Not that I see the dichotomy of wanting to be a part of a United Kingdom outside a united Europe. Is the United States somehow poorer for not being part of the EU?

They are not xenophobes or racists, to my knowledge anyway, in fact they are just normal working class people as far as I can tell. Maybe the usual narrrow minded attention seekers on here need to get out more

Now here appears to be an attention seeker for you Nora, a UKIP candidate for this Thursday’s local elections :

Doesn’t he inspire confidence as a sensible normal person who could be trusted with the responsibility of running local services ?

Although to be fair he does now seem less keen on all the attention two national papers have been giving him :

UKIP election candidate pictured giving Nazi salute and wielding knife

I’m not racist, says UKIP candidate

Isn’t the most important question, how can a party with a leader that behaves like a 13 year old upstart, a weak policy platform, odd (to say the least) candidates and, most importantly, an anti-cycling mindset able to cause such poltical angst for the other parties? Doesn’t someone need to dig a little deeper than just a “protest vote.”

Anyway the good news is that we don’t need UKIP to address the weaknesses in Europe. The last 5 days have seen an acceleration in the unravelling driven by social not economic or political factors. Still glacial pace toward the final denouement but a guaranteed outcome nonetheless. But Italy now has the bit between it’s teeth and a leader prepared to do something about it. The clock ticks on……

I don’t have a view on whether the UKIP lot are “racist” or indeed “idiots”.

This chap’s view of cycling issues is common to many people, men of a certain age especially, who feel rather put upon by the world, drink Stella Artois out of a glass at home because it is a premium lager, and are confident that things other people suspect of being quite complex are in fact very straightforward if only the powers that be had any common sense. I have no idea what proportion of the electorate agree entirely. About 5%? Slightly more in european elections?

🙂

We live in interesting times. The Tory will get in where I live, no-one else bothered standing, it’s pointless, a waste of time and effort. I’m not sure how that fits in the democratic process. Meanwhile other Tory politicians are feeling insecure, but they are currently too well-behaved to say anything.

At the same time Dave has described tory voters who moved to UKIP as ‘fruitcakes and closet racists’. That’s quite a lot of fruitcakes and closet racists then Dave. So it’s fair to assume he wouldn’t welcome them back.

Did Cleggy really offer a Lab/Lib coallition? He must be too young to remember the last time they got stitched up.

Friday’s news could be fun, a public bunfight even.

slowoldgit – Member

We live in interesting times. The Tory will get in where I live, no-one else bothered standing, it’s pointless, a waste of time and effort. I’m not sure how that fits in the democratic process

If only we had some more democratic voting system eh 🙂

That’s quite a lot of fruitcakes and closet racists then Dave

Yeah, but in my experience there is quite a lot of low level nationalism, jingoism and prejudice out there, almost 2m people buy the Daily Mail every day.

Some people are getting worried…

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3402/major_parties_show_major_panic_with_fake_ukip_leaflets

Sadly, his ridiculous attitudes sum up general attitudes where I live, where it is a complete car-for-all.

The Liberal Party leaflet which came through the door this week exactly mirrored the UKIP one (on Transport anyway, at least it didn’t have any nasty xenophobic ranty stuff) – No to HS2 and we should all be worried about potholes as they slow the cars down. Pathetic.

As above, if they resurrected Jimmy Savile and put a blue rosette on him he’d win.

The ukip guy in the op link needs a mental health assesment lol. What planet are these guys on!

What a ridiculous link slowoldgit.

According to “The Commentator” major parties show major panic with fake UKIP leaflets, which is hardly the case.

Saying “some facts which UKIP don’t want to to know” doesn’t suggest that it’s a “fake” UKIP leaflet, even an idiot should be able to work that one out. Likewise saying “anyone can make mistakes please don’t make one by voting UKIP” makes it abundantly clear that it’s not a UKIP leaflet.

And as for major parties panicking over UKIP, they are simply attacking political rivals, which is perfectly normal in a pluralistic democracy.

Previously UKIP fielded very few candidates in these local elections and were largely ignored, as it would clearly have made no sense at all wasting time and energy attacking nonexistent candidates.

This time however UKIP have trebled their number of candidates and it makes perfect sense for other parties to scrutinize their policies and candidates, doing otherwise would do the electorate no favours.

Unless of course you think that sterile debates without any challenging or opposing points of view are the way forward, in which case you probably don’t approve of this thread.

And btw I’m not surprised that “The Commentator” has got itself wound up over attacks on UKIP, I see that it shares a simular extreme right-wing agenda.

This is what they (or more likely he) claims to believe :

The West has a hell of a fight on its hands. Not just from the outside, but from the inside too. Our economics are in the tank after being leeched upon and abused by socialists and corporatists alike. Budgets are bloated, taxes are too high, existential threats to our interests at home and abroad have rarely ever been more concerning. We seek to shed light on these core ‘civilisational’ issues.

We argue that now is not the time for high taxes, it’s not the time to bow before tyrants, dictators or terrorists, and it’s not the time to abandon our only true ally in the Middle East: Israel.

Let’s face it – it never should have become and never should be the time for any of those things. But lately, the West has become a bit self-loathing in its worldview, and we exist to disprove that farcical notion.

All fairly standard American style neoconservative bible-bashing bollocks.

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EDIT : Why has the anti-UKIP leaflet in the link been pixelated ? Is there something which The Commentator doesn’t want people to see ?

If you don’t like the content, attack the source. I found the link on Guido Fawkes, one can find news from all sorts of places, especially if one’s opinion of the MSM is they’re owned by big business / billionaires. That’s Barclay Bros, Fox, Murdock, that awfully nice Russian chap, Desmond, GMG, for starters.

Maybe they pixellated it because they found it offensive?

Friday is going to be interesting. If what I’ve read is correct, both Labour and Tory expect to lose voters to UKIP. They are worried. We shall see.

What ernie said

slowoldgit – Member

If you don’t like the content, attack the source

That’s a bit unfair- he attacked the content effectively too.

Not wanting to be influenced by the agendas of others, I looked at the UKIP website to see what they are about. They actually manage to portray themselves as lunatics. That is some going. Yep, UKIP can FRO.

Friday is going to be interesting. If what I’ve read is correct, both Labour and Tory expect to lose voters to UKIP. They are worried. We shall see.

It is th elocal elections in the middle of a recession of course there will be a protest vote.
What i dont get is they have not local policies – tbh they have very few policies byond euro and immigrations – even they admit that.
I doubt they will get an MP anytime soon or evena council.
I suspect they woudl not have the forst idea what to do if they did and would make the Lib Dems look like like leadership material

The Liberal Party leaflet which came through the door this week exactly mirrored the UKIP one (on Transport anyway, at least it didn’t have any nasty xenophobic ranty stuff) – No to HS2 and we should all be worried about potholes as they slow the cars down. Pathetic.

Although as a cyclist i wish they would fix the pot holes, for a car they are an inconvience, with the way some drivers behave pot holes can and have resulted in cyclists being killed. I would rather not have to worry about the holes and concentrate on the cars.