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  • geetee1972
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    I’m not going to sit in the fence about this one. I wouldn’t vote UKIP but branding people racist for doing so and then pillorying them by removing the children they were fostering (and even the council said they were doing an excellent job) is outrageous. Someone really should get sacked.

    This is bigotry and prejudice as bad as the kind it claims its protecting the children from. My urine is boiling.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    5…4…3…2…1…

    Premier Icon Stoner
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    I completely agree. Revolting prejudice.
    I have a lot of time for UKIP for their clear political stance – even though I disagree with their policy of leaving the EU. I also disagree with their policies on immigration*, but whatever they are they arent racist policies. Their clear political stance does not encompass a racist bigotry and the attempt to paint UKIP as a BNP-lite is grossly insulting to those who simply agree with their EU policies.

    * Im with The Economist on that one

    elzorillo
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    I’m sure Junk and the rest of STWs resident comrades will be on in a minute, praising the councils well though out aims for European (eussr) integration and protection from the tyranny of self determination by a party of a rouge eu state.

    πŸ™„

    deadlydarcy
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    Can’t see what the bloody hell is going on here. Political correctness gone mad by the looks of it. It’s the end of free speech. Probably some ruling from a Eurocrat in Brussels.

    bencooper
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    It is a very odd story – the council say they were taking legal advice, but I wonder how the issue even arose? Of course UKIP members can be racists but that makes them no different to members of any other party – they’re not the BNP or EDL.

    chewkw
    Member

    LOL! I voted for UKIP (think might be 2nd choice with Tory 1st) for Police commissioner.

    Reason is simple. There should be Dear Leader.

    Well thinking of it I am in a region with strong Labour support (Lib dem council) so I just hate being told what to think. Very PC they are. Maggots!

    trailmonkey
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    i only know one person who supports ukip – she’s a racist.

    if ukip aren’t racists is it just coincidence that their policies on europe, multiculturalism and immigration appeal to the racist, xenophobic, insular elements of society ? they’ll more than gladly accept the bigots at the ballot.

    for all of those crying foul here, what would your position be if the letters bnp or edl were swapped for ukip ?

    *loving your work dd* πŸ˜†

    poly
    Member

    Surely there is more to this than reported in the press?

    There would be a certain irony though if the couple raised a case under Human Rights Legislation to fight it when UKIP want rid of Human Rights Law!

    wrecker
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    Wanting control if immigration is NOT racist. It’s just not.

    trailmonkey
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    i suppose opposing multiculturalism isn’t either ?

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    for all of those crying foul here, what would your position be if the letters bnp or edl were swapped for ukip ?

    well that’s the point isnt it tm – or did you miss it?
    They are no more interchangeable than New Labour, The Socialist Worker’s Party, The Workers Revolutionary Party or The Communist Party. Do you think a Labour Voters politics should be conflated with the Communist party, coz, you know, they’re all the same really arent they…?

    cranberry
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    Now, I can’t condemn the council for what it has done here, because I think that members of the Labour party should be barred from holding any taxpayer funded job on the basis that they are small minded, interfering, financial incompetents.

    I really don’t see how this sort of thing can be controversial.

    bencooper
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    I think that members of the Labour any party should be barred from holding any taxpayer funded job on the basis that they are small minded, interfering, financial incompetents.

    FTFY πŸ˜‰

    deadlydarcy
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    We need an EU referendum NOW !

    Zulu-Eleven
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    i suppose opposing multiculturalism isn’t either ?

    From Wiki:

    UKIP opposes multiculturalism and political correctness but rejects “blood and soil” ethnic nationalism. UKIP promotes uni-culturalism, a single British culture embracing all races, religions and colours”. It states that Britishness can be defined in terms of belief in democracy, fair play and freedom.

    Which seems like the very antithesis of racism to me, doesn’t it to you?

    Unlike, perhaps

    Lets also not forget that discriminating against someone on the grounds of their political beliefs is a breach of their Human rights, even if they are in the BNP

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/nov/06/bnp-bus-driver-wins-legal-case

    It’s very simple; anyone belonging to UKIP is an imbecile and imbeciles should not be encouraged to raise children. I really can’t see what all the fuss is about…

    Premier Icon Rio
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    i suppose opposing multiculturalism isn’t either ?

    Correct. See for example Trevor Phillips’ views as chairman of the commission for racial equality:

    When I remarked last month that it was time for Britain to move on from divisive, 80s-style “multiculturalist” policies, I thought it might cause a mild stir among Britain’s diversity professionals and activists

    deadlydarcy
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    Zulu, why don’t you get us a picture from the bible. πŸ˜†

    Didn’t UKIP have some negative views on cycling in their manifesto? Like compulsory use of cycle lanes etc

    Premier Icon Stoner
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    We need an EU referendum NOW !

    I think the last thing we want to do is ask the general unwashed what they think they want! They’re bound to come out with the wrong answer! πŸ˜‰

    Zulu-Eleven
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    Darcy, why don’t you get us a picture from your family tree?

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~footprints1/images/general/monkeytree.gif

    Now – how about you try and debate rather than relying on ad hominem attacks every time you’re pwned,? you’re starting to turn into TJ πŸ˜‰

    b r
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    A bit like the Bus Driver that won his case:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bradford-bus-driver-should-not-have-been-sacked-for-his-membership-of-the-british-national-party-8289958.html

    Under the original theory, surely anyone who works in the public sector and becomes a Tory councillor should automatically lose their job πŸ˜‰

    trailmonkey
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    They are no more interchangeable than New Labour, The Socialist Worker’s Party, The Workers Revolutionary Party or The Communist Party. Do you think a Labour Voters politics should be conflated with the Communist party, coz, you know, they’re all the same really arent they

    not at all, the very core of new labour is neo liberalism, the others oppose it, absolutely.

    how much of the bnp’s core policies on immigration, multiculturalism and europe are opposed by ukip ?

    i’d say they were pretty close.

    Premier Icon Stoner
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    i’d say they were pretty close.

    UKIP promotes uni-culturalism, a single British culture embracing all races, religions and colours”.

    Just like the BNP and EDL eh?

    I would say that on the subject of racist beliefs you couldnt really get a greater opposing view.

    trailmonkey
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    UKIP promotes uni-culturalism, a single British culture embracing all races, religions and colours

    so we don’t mind you being a bit dark just as long as you think, pray, dress, listen, read, teach, see they same as ‘we’ do. an idea of ‘britishness’ that comes from god knows where.

    Which seems like the very antithesis of racism to me, doesn’t it to you?

    no, it seems like the very definition of it. they dislike difference.

    deadlydarcy
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    Ah Zulu…come on now. It’s not like you to be so sensitive. How about a bit of Solomon’s wisdom.

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    no, it seems like the very definition of it. they dislike difference.

    want a hand finding an online dictionary?

    trailmonkey
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    UKIP promotes uni-culturalism, a single British culture embracing all races, religions and colours”.

    I would say that on the subject of racist beliefs you couldnt really get a greater opposing view.

    why ? the bnp allows black members.

    want a hand finding an online dictionary?

    you do realise you lose tyhe argument the moment you start being insulting right ?

    so it’s not racist to suggest that all races are welcome as long as they conform to a national cultural stereotype ?

    geetee1972
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    BNP and UKIP are not close at all, not even remotely. BNP advocates repatriation of immigrants and its definition of the ‘British people’ is clearly racist. UKIP is in favour of immigration, just not unregulated immigration and it believes there should be a ban on it for the next five years. I don’t believe being against multiculturalism is racist either, especially when you read their definition of that as posted above.

    Someone at Rotherham council has made a serious error of judgement here. It might hAve been well intentioned but it is entirely ignorant and ill informed.

    Zulu-Eleven
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    700 wives and 300 concubines? Well, we’ll have some of that type of multiculturalism Darcy πŸ™‚

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    Given Rotherham’s sterling reputation in Child Protection work, is anyone surprised by more evidence of incompetence?

    Premier Icon Stoner
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    Isnt it Doncaster that has an outstanding reputation in child services?
    Or is Rotherham just as outstanding?

    *goes off to check private eye*

    deadlydarcy
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    Anyway, back OT, they’ll be making us have straight bananas next. 😐

    geetee1972
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    Point of order.

    The BNP is a ‘racist’ party. Think we can all agree on that.
    The BNP has racist policies.
    It also has other policies that aren’t themselves racists (such as the idea of ‘Britishness’ as a single cultural entity being a good thing, short of definitions that in way that excludes other ethnic groups from being part of it) and just because the BNP adopts them doesn’t make those policies racists by default.

    Premier Icon Stoner
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    Its the bent cucumbers I miss πŸ™

    Zulu-Eleven
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    so it’s not racist to suggest that all races are welcome as long as they conform to a national cultural stereotype ?

    Why don’t you explain to us how that does in fact constitute racism Trailmonkey ? Maybe in one syllable words so we can understand it, eh.

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    I never had UKIP down as a racist party. Silly party, yes.
    On first reading this story I thought there’s bound to be more to this story and that the couple wouldn’t have to stop fostering because they support UKIP but seeing as my OH is a foster carer and knowing what rubbish she has to put up with from social workers then it doesn’t really surprise me.

    Bazz
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    Whilst on the surface of it this does sound like an absolutely absurd decision i wouldn’t be at all surprised if their was other issues going on, i believe they were after all acting on an tip off, although it hasn’t been reported if their were other concerns of the whistle-blower just this one headline, and i for one came to the conclusion a long time ago that the media can’t be trusted to report everything 100% accurately 100% of the time.

    Look at it from this perspective, if you were in the job that meant making the decision would you prefer to see this as a headline or in 6 months time a headline that read “COUNCIL LET UKIP RACISTS HAVE ETHNIC CHILDREN AS SLAVES” or some other child abuse story.

    Child services have come under plenty of scrutiny in recent years, and rightly so, after the high profile deaths of children who have been on their radar, and the children’s welfare must always be paramount even if it does upset a few people.

    Read some of the comments after this story if you can be bothered to wade through them

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/teenage-girls-attacker-caught-cctv-205025481.html

    Now i’m not suggesting for one minute that all UKIP supporters are racist, but there is some thinly veiled racism going on in those comments and i wouldn’t be at all surprised if alot of them align themselves with UKIP, because UKIP isn’t racist and no one likes to be called a racist even if they blatantly are.

    geetee1972
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    so it’s not racist to suggest that all races are welcome as long as they conform to a national cultural stereotype ?

    Apart from Zulu’s point, which is well made, race and culture are not the same thing and so aren’t incompatible. You can be multi-ethnic and still be mono-cultural if the values of that single culture support pluralism for example, or tolerance of different people.

    It should also be noted that race and ethnicity are not the same thing either; racism judges people by genetics and deems them inferior on that basis alone. Ethnicism is something else; judging people based on their ideas and values. I am deeply uncomfortable with racism because it’s entirely ignorant in its judgement, but ethnicism is different. For example is it so bad to hold prejudicial views against ethnically prescribed homophobia, or religious haterd?

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