- Tyler Hamilton: The Secret race
I read David Millar’s book followed by Tyler Hamilton’s – and now have no desire to read either of Lance Armstrongs! Cheating feckers, but I can completely see the compulsion to do so, given the alternative (i.e. never winning). Made me wonder how rife doping is in other sports.Posted 4 years agosparkingchainsMember
Nicole Cook in her retirement speech:
“Tyler Hamilton will make more money from his book describing how he cheated than I will make in all my years of honest labour,”
“I have been robbed by drug cheats, but I am fortunate, I am here before you with more in my basket than the 12-year-old dreamed of. But for many genuine people out there who do ride clean, people with morals, many of these people have had to leave the sport with nothing after a lifetime of hard work.”
Obviously effects those right across the sport who didn’t cheat.Posted 4 years agocrashtestmonkeyMember
Made me wonder how rife doping is in other sports.
rife. Look at athletics.
the majority of the 10 fastest men over 100m have failed tests, which probably puts them on a par with TdeF winners.
Only difference is the mainstream media buy track-and-field athletes BS sob stories about innocent contamination and report it apologetically. The BBC coverage of Gay/Powell was offensive in it’s sychophancy, whereas as cycling is the dirty whipping horse 🙄
Cinnamon-girl, do you have an e-reader?Posted 4 years agocinnamon_girlSubscriber
Cinnamon girl I could post it to you if you promise to send it back when read – it’s not mine.
That’s very kind but will need to decline due to my bad habit of munching crisps when I’m reading. 😳 Thanks anyway. 😀
Cinnamon-girl, do you have an e-reader?
Not yet, am seriously thinking about one. 🙂Posted 4 years agoflap_jackSubscriber
where there’s money there’s cheating. I believe Marianne Vos said something to the effect that women’s racing is pretty clean because no-one makes enough to afford the drugs ! This makes the whole thing difficult because the women’s races are often brilliant and deserve more coverage, and they deserve more money.Posted 4 years agocrazy-legsSubscriber
I remember the ‘leave Lance alone!’ days on here….
Only difference is the mainstream media buy track-and-field athletes BS sob stories about innocent contamination and report it apologetically. The BBC coverage of Gay/Powell was offensive in it’s sychophancy, whereas as cycling is the dirty whipping horse
Cycling is the whipping boy of all sports and Lance is the whipping boy of cycling.
Doping didn’t start and end with Lance, he was no different to the hundreds of other riders over the decades who took whatever they thought would make them faster. Same in other sports – the rumours around doping in baseball, football and athletics aren’t going away. They’re just reported completely differently.
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One of the best books I’ve ever read. Just started David millers now.
I thought the Hamilton book was a much better read. Kind of obvious that it was ghosted and Millers not (I think this was the case anyway). I completely failed to warm to Miller. Anyone who can refer to themselves without irony as one of the big hitters of the peloton is clearly a twattwaffle.Posted 4 years agometalheartSubscriber
Well I enjoyed Millars book but I got it when it came out. You have to place it in context, i.e. pre-investigation Lance. There’s a lot that (legally) could not be said back then without the excrement hitting the air movement device. I think it was quite out there for its time.
Hamiltons book blew the lid off. Plus he had all the verification vis-a-vis the reasoned decision if Lance decided to go gunning for him. Huge difference in my opinion. It’s a great read and feels true.
Oh, if you enjoyed the secret race then it’s worth reading Kimmages interview with Landis on NYVelocity.
See here:Posted 4 years agowonkey_donkeySubscriber
Yeah I thought it was a great read and certainly an eye opener.
In his position – how many of you would have done the same? Me……I think I would have for sure….it’s dope or nothing.
The chapter where he describes being beaten by people he could easily have beaten previously……you can se how it all starts…
In sympathy for Cook, she’s right, even in his “outing” Tylor has sill made plenty of cash through doping even if it hasn’t come through race wins….
Great insight into professional sport though, even if you’re not into road racing as such…Posted 4 years agomindmap3Member
I really enjoyed the book too and in a weird way warmed to him Hamilton a lot. As much as I don’t condone cheating can kind of see why they did it…pushed t in the early days and hen getting carried along with a huge surge of doping (yes I know they should have had a backbone etc). It doesn’t paint good picture of Lance.
I’d quite like to rad some of the others too although will buy them second hand. Firstly because I’m tight and secondly so no proceeds to go them! What Cook said is both true and very sad.Posted 4 years agokcrMember
99 tour: 80 samples retro-tested and only 10 were positive for EPO. Blows the ‘everyone was at it’ argument out of the water for me.
Did you see the results of the French commission investigation into the 98 Tour last month?
When combining the EPO abuse confessions of the two riders testing negative with all the positive test results, it was indicated that 35 out of the 38 retrospectively tested riders (92%) had been using EPO in the 1998 Tour de France. A number, which came on top of the additional 9 out of 9 Festina riders and 2 out of 9 TVM riders, who already had confessed EPO abuse due to their implication in the prior police investigations.
Now of course they may have cleaned up their act in `99…Posted 4 years agoTiRedMember
Thought Hamilton’s book was unputdownable. Wegelius’s book was also a good read, (expeletive deleted…. Would improve it). I found Millar’s too self-indugent, which is common to champions. Never finished it. He did sign both my son’s Team GB cycling jerseys last year, but took an age to come out of the bus.
Not read Cav’s book yet, but when we met him he was absolutely fantastic with the kids and I have a lot of time for him.Posted 4 years agoLaddersSubscriber
If anyone wonders/ed why any one would dope, Millars book explains why.
Hamiltons book pretty much explains what happened throught the LA years IMO
Cav can come across as hot headed and arrogant, but having attended an event he was guesting and seeing the time and patience he devoted to fans there that day, he comes across as a top bloke!Posted 4 years agosteviousMember
Currently working my way through the audiobook of this and finding it very enjoyable and enlightening to read.
Hamilton does come across as a very nice, humble guy but I’m left wondering how accurate that portrayal is. He almost comes across as too reasonable, too easy going. Perhaps I’m being too cynical here.
One thing that strikes me about the book is that I feel far less angry at Lance about the fact that he doped in the first place, more that he was just such a dick about it.Posted 4 years agometalheartSubscriber
Now of course they may have cleaned up their act in `99…
The difference was that les Flics were busting and jailing people for dope. Kind of focused the mind a little I’d have thought. Not that they stopped doping, just holding EPO in France suddenly became, well, not such a good idea. In Tyler’s book he talks about the team(s?) ditching $$$$ worth of dope by the roadside in 98 in a panic. And then that stuff about Motoman.Posted 4 years ago
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