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  • "Tubeless ready" rim leaking air at joint – normal without sealant?
  • bgascoyne
    Free Member

    Just converted my tubeless ready rim from tube to tubeless. Popped the tyre up without sealant first just to check it all and noticed that air is leaking through the rim joint right on the edge of the rim. Should I send the wheel back for warranty replacement or should this stop when the sealant is added? Don’t want to pour in sealant and create a mess only for it to not work.

    Any one else had this issue?

    Cheers

    nixie
    Full Member

    I’ve had one that leaked through the whole of the rim join on the inner face of the rim. Sealant stop this and it has not reoccurred.

    thisisnotaspoon
    Free Member

    Did you use tape?

    Tubeless ready usually just means the bead hook of the rim and the bead of the tyre are the correct shape. You still need to make sure the rim is sealed with tape and the tyre itself will be porous without sealant.

    shermer75
    Free Member

    “Tubeless ready”, as far as I know, just means that the bit where the bead sits is reinforced. UST rims are the ones with an airtight rim bed.

    bgascoyne
    Free Member

    yeah – all taped up etc etc. Sounds like sealant might fix it. Will give it a crack.

    Cheers

    fitnessischeating
    Free Member

    If you mean tyre-bead join around the edge (i think you do) then yes, normal, fixed with sealant.

    If you mean where the rim is bent into a circle, and joined, then no, not normal.

    Garry_Lager
    Full Member

    What thisisnotaspoon says – it means the tape is not sealing the rim bed well enough, so air is escaping. The place you see this happen is through the rim joint. A re-taping should solve this problem, although adding sealant might also work. If it’s still happening with sealant in then it definitely needs re-taping.

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    I took it you were talking about the rim/tyre junction. Generally if the rim taping has failed, I find most air heads out via the spoke holes to the valve area.

    It may not quite have popped onto the rim fully. What PSI did you inflate it to? I generally make sure that I’ve put about 40 PSI into it.

    Or it just needs a bit of sealant and a Stan’s dance (shake it around vigourously) to finish sealing it.

    bgascoyne
    Free Member

    If you mean where the rim is bent into a circle, and joined, then no, not normal.

    Yes- this. So where the rim it self is joined together. I looked at the tape again and noticed it doesn’t go all the way up the inside rim wall. Is it supposed to go all the way up? I thought it just covered the “flat” section, ie not the vertical part. Either way, in theory the tyre should press hard enough against the rim to stop air coming out anyway.

    Didn’t hear any pings at all, which I always get on my other rims even with the airshot which was odd.

    Might add some more tape on the offending section add sealant, pump and pray!

    DezB
    Free Member

    add sealant, pump and ride.
    Riding a bit usually gets them sealed up.

    (Praying, not so much)

    bgascoyne
    Free Member

    I’ll be able to sleep well tonight. Adding sealant did the job…panic over.

    Cheers for the input guys 8)

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    I’ll be able to sleep well tonight.

    Sleep well. It’ll be flat tomorrow. #bitterexperience 😀

    daern
    Free Member

    Sleep well. It’ll be flat tomorrow. #bitterexperienc

    True, but they’ll be fine after he’s pumped them up again…

    …every single day for a fortnight!

    TiRed
    Full Member

    Mavic ksyriums are airtight – must be their machining.

    stevextc
    Free Member

    Thread Resurrection … so new budget wheels with pinned rim and taped (this,isn’t my first go) leaking from the joint … so I re-taped this time with gorilla tape to be sure and it’s still leaking from the walls of the joint.

    My previous spare wheels were the same superstar’s own and were fine… and no leaking from the front one..
    minimal sealant … what was left in the tyre…
    Return ?
    Add sealant?
    I could try taping up the side…not keen…
    Could araldite
    Hot glue gun?

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    The tape you use should be wider than the internal width of the rims – by 4 or 5mm. The tyre and tape will form a seal with no part of the bead of the tyre touching the rim. It can be fine as us but will likely need some sealant in any case.

    stevextc
    Free Member

    Non of my other wheels have ever needed the joint taping all the way up… I’m not saying that it shouldn’t but it’s never been needed on any other rim .. (excluding my best rims that’s that’s 12 rims… in the family that are tubeless.

    This includes the front rim. Which is fine and the Tactic rims which are identical bar the width…

    I can stick in some more sealant or could tape up the the edge round the joint I but was hoping to ride these tomorrow… and I have enough sealant left to do one proper helping… so was trying to preserve it.

    What do you think of trying the glue gun?

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Sealant.

    stevextc
    Free Member

    Righty ho … sealant it is

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    Q – Which width TCS Tape should I use for my rim?
    A – WTB recommends using tape that is 5mm wider than your inner rim width. Most of our rims will have the inner rim width listed in the name (i.e. Frequency i23 uses 28mm TCS Tape).

    https://www.wtb.com/pages/resources

    But if you know better, then crack on….

    gribble
    Free Member

    I had this issue with Mrs G’s bike. It is a Specialized (Camber) that came with 2bliss rim tape installed already. On first attempt it leaked at the join.

    Have added sealent and it is all good now; held up fine and has been ridden locally and in the Alps for a couple of days.

    legend
    Free Member

    WTB rims are absolutely **** terrible to setup or remove tubeless tyres from, so would ignore anything they publish.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    In which case you are doing it wrong. Just about the easiest/cleanest/simplest setup there is.

    stevextc
    Free Member

    But if you know better, then crack on….

    Like I said … it’s not that I’m not saying it shouldn’t just that non of the other 11 rims (and I’m excluding the carbon ones since don’t have a joint) ever needed it … or quite a few others I’ve done for friends.

    Equally I’ve never had a rim I could practically get a fingernail in the gap … pinned rims you can usually feel it but not see the gap.

    benman
    Free Member

    My CRC Prime road wheels were classed as tubeless ready, and came ready taped. However you could see daylight through the sidewalls of the rim joint. It took a while to seal when I set them up, but the sealant eventually plugged the gaps. Hasn’t leaked since.

    dirkpitt74
    Full Member

    My Superstar rims leaked around the joint without sealant when I dry inflated/seated the tyre.

    Once I put the sealant in all was fine – tyres still up after 3 months.

    That was the trail EX23 rims with 25mm gorilla tape.

    Poopscoop
    Full Member

    My Alexrims leaked at the pin joint but sealant did the job and its never been a problem.

    legend
    Free Member

    In which case you are doing it wrong. Just about the easiest/cleanest/simplest setup there is.

    Bollocks. In many years of riding a WTB tyre/rim combo is the first time I’ve ended up just going “**** it” and using mole grips to unseat the bead. They are now sitting with a 40C Nano on them that my previously undefeated Flashcharger can’t shift at all. From previous threads I’m not the only one that feels this way either.

    My use of Stans, Mavics and Hunts hasn’t ever resulted in any of that nonsense. Even when they had tubes in the WTBs were still massively tight on the rims.

    Feel free to give pointers though

    stevextc
    Free Member

    Cheers everyone. The sealant worked great.. stuck in, inflated up to silly psi (prob about 40) and gave it a few spins every so often and this morning it was still way to hard to ride! Just hammered it all day and it’s still doing great.

    stevextc
    Free Member

    Tyres are still up…still just taped over nipple holes.

    The wider rims are way better with my 2.4 Mary/Hans (so good to a wider on Maxxis) and now down to £100. Very happy all round for £130 as a spare set. (Steel axles are £15 or so if your heavier)

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