Well well well a dog owner again who would have guessed!

All land in Britain is their’s for their exclusive use as an off-the-lead doggy playground and toilet.

Well well well a dog owner again who would have guessed!

All land in Britain is their’s for their exclusive use as an off-the-lead doggy playground and toilet.

Don’t ride off piste in Canada, you won’t believe what the bears get up to
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Just to add my 2p…..

I appreciate that the sticks/branches may not be a trap as we may define it due to a lack of spikes and barbed wire and also accepting that something similar could have occurred naturally following some strong winds, but…

They were placed there with the intent of causing an obstruction/someone to fall off/injure someone. The execution may have been a bit poor or ineffective and looked to be fairly easy to remove in the video but the intent to cause harm was still there.

The local FB page has a post from the lad or his Dad stating that the names of the two ‘ladies’ and footage and photos have been supplied to local plod.

Hopefully they will be getting a knock at the door and hopefully they will go back to their cauldrons and boiling up potions.

They were placed there with the intent of causing an obstruction

I think that’s pretty much where it ends. She clearly says “to stop you” not to injure/kill maim etc.

The intent to cause harm is a long way beyond the intent to piss someone off. Heck, it’s a long way beyond not being worried about causing harm.

If you were criminally responsible every time you coincidentally put someone at risk we’d all be on charges every time we got in a car.

They’re objectionable self important people (with doubtless no more authority to be there than he), but there’s nothing to suggest they’re actually out to cause harm. A polite word from the old bill will hopefully be forthcoming and explain they’re being a bit unreasonable and actually putting people at risk, such a word would probably would go a long way.

Well well well a dog owner again who would have guessed!

All land in Britain is their’s for their exclusive use as an off-the-lead doggy playground and toilet.

Nice bit of othering there. Yeah, all dog owners are one cohesive, homogeneous group, who all behave badly in exactly the same way. Just like cyclists in fact.

Most trail saboteurs are ruddy faced gammon dog owners including the ones who have been caught both here and abroad, correct me if I’m wrong.

Go and do some research and prove me wrong.

@ chestercoperpot – I didn’t realise dog owners were predisposed to laying sticks across trails. Do you have any links to the other instances of this occurring? The one local arsehole I came across laying sticks near me didn’t have a dog – maybe he should get one? Maybe I should have lent him mine?

Or maybe you don’t like dogs – fair play. Perhaps you could start a thread about it. Its not very relevant to the behaviour of the two harpies though is it?

And there’s more!

Excellent use of the word ‘harpy’ though. A much underused word, especially in the context of ‘local’ issues and village FB pages!

apart from their general demeanour, what makes them horrible was their attitude that if he builds something and they hurt themselves then he is culpable, but if they build something and he hurts himself then he is still culpable – that’s just nasty.

Not sure whether mental illness, entitlement, dog ownership, old age and rage are all connected.

I was quite pleased with harpy too!

chester – excellent – thanks for your 2017 link – I’ll start laying sticks behind me immediately now I know that owning a dog makes you a trail saboteur…

I’ll start jumping red lights too since all cyclists do that.

Not sure whether mental illness, entitlement, dog ownership, old age and rage are all connected.

Well as you seem to have have achieved a slack handful, perhaps you can let us know when you get to shout “bingo”

They love a bit of bingo.

More fake news eh:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=544983

More harridan than harpy I’d have thought.

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More fake news eh:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=544983

How hard do you reckon it would be to trawl the interweb and find links to blokes riding push bikes being dicks? That would prove categorically that they all are, right?

MTB and cycling in general is a male dominated hobby and sport.

Trail sabotage appears (based upon evidence available) to be predominately carried out by old dog owners.

Edit: I would assume but don’t know for sure that they live locally to the trails they sabotage

The one local arsehole I came across laying sticks near me didn’t have a dog – maybe he should get one?

Duh, that’s what he was trying to do. The sticks aren’t a trap, they’re dog bait. Everyone knows dogs like to chase sticks so you put a collection on a trail and wait for one (ideally you’d throw them but dogs are quite quick so the head start makes them impossible to catch).

*there is significant risk of catching a small boy (and the occasional unsupervised full grown man) as they also have a natural draw to large sticks for walking with, sword fights and whacking trees. Actually this makes me wonder if the ladies in the video maybe had scalp rash.

I don’t necessarily think it’s their fault (obviously not the dogs they’re animals). It’s a shame they need professional help, preferably long term residential, in an institution capable of dealing with their issues.

In fact I’ll put myself forward as a Tsar or Commandant of such institutions.

I know they’re big fans of zero tolerance and tough justice. Seems apt that’s how it should be dealt with, maybe bring back the birch!

Pick up the dog. Ride off.

Hah! I was wonndering how long it would be before this cropped up on here. So, the two ladies aren’t truly local even though they have lived here a while but they are very well known local er.. characters shall we say.

The woods are very local to me but for some reason I hardly ever ride through them. Anyway I went there for a walk around today to see what was going on. Definately no features being or been constructed as far as I could see unless they are in a hidden part of the wood. There are many unoficial trails through the wood that people have walked and riden for years but only one public footpath. I’m not certain from the video but that bit could be footpath but as he was pushing the bike at the time he had as much right to be there as they did if it was the PF.

I have known the land owner for most of my life and also the two foresters that look after the estate woods. I spoke to the foresters last year about the posibility of riding through a different wood and they said no, because someone had been building features in a different wood very near this one and the landowner wasn’t very happy about it.

Imagine if an old dog walker tripped over the sticks the old bags had laid down? That could be a court case 🙄

@matt_outandabout is the (B?)MX track up the Laighhills still there? That’s where I’d send folk intent on digging.

*checks google maps*

Bloody hell that’s been fair built on! Last time I was up there the houses between QV and everything west of the burn weren’t even built. Anyway, I think the track is that oval on the east side of the railway, looks overgrown but was marked out with sunken tyres and had some fairly hefty jumps from memory (hence believing it’s an MX track).

Difficult one putting sticks down is daft, but then carrying spades and saws around is also daft.

In all my years riding MTB I’ve never taken my bike for a walk on a footpath, it’s much more fun riding it. Certainly I’ve never pushed my bike and carry a spade.

I have taken my dog for a walk on a footpath though.

If they have a problem with people riding there they should go to the land owners or police and have it dealt with properly. Not try and hurt people.

Crikey, he had the patience of a saint, my blood was boiling just watching. Good job fella.

Difficult one putting sticks down is daft, but then carrying spades and saws around is also daft.

Not really, many a time I’ve cleared old trails to open them up for use again with a saw or a billhook, and also used a spade to dig out some drainage to stop said trail being 10 foot wide due to folk walking or riding around the puddle.

How’s that daft?.

How’s that daft?.

Apparently not pandering to the prejudices and hangups of everyone else in the entire parish (irrespective of their actual legal standing on that piece of land) is somehow ‘insensitive’.

@matt_outandabout is the (B?)MX track up the Laighhills still there? That’s where I’d send folk intent on digging

Yes, but overgrown. Unfortunately the Laighills is full of other folk with different views on what young people should or should not be doing. I went to the consultation a couple of years back about the Laighills – according to a couple of older ladies (!) and very forceful gent, young people were at the BMX bowl ‘on bikes’ (the horror!), gathering in groups (gasp!), even at night (OMG!) and there was even drinking and graffiti going on… Apparently what was needed was a full bulldoze, no gathering for young properly and a heavy police presence… My question of what they thought should be provided for said young people which got them in fresh air to exercise and socialise was ignored… As was the one about the elderly folk and what they got up to.

Eldest_oab did do some digging there about 5 years ago – and was harrased by a few folk as it’s so public…

The issue we have is further out, currently 4 dig sites around town…

I own a mother aged 90 who is a fit rambler and occasional walker of her fat neighbour’s dog. Sorry to say it but she and her peers are exactly like the two harpies in that video, entitled and complaining, the sort of people who whine and gossip about everybody else. Two days ago she said: “At weekends we get big groups of cyclists coming through the village, they wait and block the junction and you can’t get past them, they really take up the road!”

Eldest_oab did do some digging there about 5 years ago – and was harrased by a few folk as it’s so public…

That’s really frustrating, more so since he’s only clearing up and adapting existing, neglected infrastructure.

Sadly your town meeting rings true here, seems a bit of money makes folk think they own the world.

At least you have some dig sites though, can imagine certain areas would be ideal (including one that is certainly very cheeky and liable to earn you some high velocity rock salt from the grumpy farmer that owns it).

@globalti, I presume both stopping or not stopping at the junction would result in equal levels of complaints.

I was at the centre of all that booby traps debate last year having similar activity nearby then the catalyst of a prat in a local rag calling for razor wire over paths.

We pushed the debate to access problems rather than traps so hopefully it’s moved on a bit. I would love to see these two made an example of though.

Levelling the field – Peak District MTB on the BBC

I presume both stopping or not stopping at the junction would result in equal levels of complaints.

As mentioned on another thread…

Cyclist A with no bell: “Hello, good morning”.

Perpetually grumpy walker: “Get a **** bell”.

Five minutes later…

Cyclist B with bell: Ding!

Same perpetually grumpy walker: “There’s no need to ring that bloody bell at me, a simple ‘hello’ would suffice”.

Some people are arseholes. Lots of clever folk make lots of money analysing and postulating why this might be. Is it nature? Nurture? Chemical? Choice? Reflex?

Luckily it isn’t my sphere, so I can get by just ignoring them.🙂

Funnily enough our local Stickman had a dog too.

Just ask any dog owners having a moan about cyclists when was the last time they had to clean bike shit off their shoes.

As mentioned on another thread…

Cyclist A with no bell: “Hello, good morning”.

Perpetually grumpy walker: “Get a **** bell”.

Five minutes later…

Cyclist B with bell: Ding!

Same perpetually grumpy walker: “There’s no need to ring that bloody bell at me, a simple ‘hello’ would suffice”.

Some people are arseholes. Lots of clever folk make lots of money analysing and postulating why this might be. Is it nature? Nurture? Chemical? Choice? Reflex?

Luckily it isn’t my sphere, so I can get by just ignoring them.

Whatever we do it’s wrong.

Not supposed to be on the road – we don’t pay road tax..

Ok the pavement then – get in the fing road, pavement is for pedestrians..

Where’s your hi-viz? After you Mr Pedestrian & Ms Motorist..

Use the cycle path, I paid for it – I can’t it’s sh1t. Oh & I pay taxes too don’t you know..

You can’t educate that kind of entitled stupidity…..,