Tour de France stage 6 – Mulhouse > La Planche des Belles Filles

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  • Tour de France stage 6 – Mulhouse > La Planche des Belles Filles
  • pondo
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    That looked horrid.

    Klunk
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    it’s not often the pros look so “feeble” on a climb!

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    Turns out Thomas isn’t quite as out of form as some suggested then.
    Also, at what point do we talk about Alaphilippe for GC?

    Klunk
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    at what point do we talk about Alaphilippe for GC?

    probably when DQS turn up with a team to win it 😉

    Cripes, just seen the result, was expecting Thomas to lose a bit today, looks like a massive ride from him. Chapeau that man.

    Klunk
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    General Classification after Stage 6
    1 CICCONE, Giulio (TFS) 23:14:55
    2 ALAPHILIPPE, Julian (DQT) + 6
    3 TEUNS, Dylan (TBM) + 32
    4 BENNETT, George (TJV) + 47
    5 THOMAS, Geraint (INS) + 49
    6 BERNAL GOMEZ, Egan Arley (INS) + 53
    7 PINOT, Thibaut (GFC) + 58
    8 KRUIJSWIJK, Steven (TJV) + 1:04
    9 WOODS, Michael (EF1) + 1:13
    10 URAN, Rigoberto (EF1) + 1:15
    11 FUGLSANG, Jakob (AST) + 1:19
    12 BUCHMANN, Emanuel (BOH) + 1:22
    13 MAS NICOLAU, Enric (DQT) + 1:23
    14 YATES, Adam (MTS) + 1:24
    15 MEURISSE, Xandro (WGG) + 1:39
    16 QUINTANA, Nairo (MOV) + 1:41
    17 LANDA MEANA, Mikel (MOV) + 1:43
    18 MARTIN, Daniel (UAD) + 1:46
    19 GAUDU, David (GFC) + 1:52
    20 NIBALI, Vincenzo (TBM) + 1:56
    21 PORTE, Richie (TFS)
    22 MOLLEMA, Bauke (TFS) + 2:22
    23 KONRAD, Patrick (BOH) + 2:23
    24 LUTSENKO, Alexey (AST) + 2:31
    25 VALVERDE, Alejandro (MOV) + 2:55
    26 BARDET, Romain (ALM) + 2:57
    27 BARGUIL, Warren (PCB) + 3:03
    28 KREUZIGER, Roman (TDD) + 3:05
    29 ARU, Fabio (UAD) + 3:25
    30 MARTIN, Guillaume (WGG) + 3:27

    Klunk
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    Ol’ G has come a long way in 2 years as he dropped 40s up a shorter version!!

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    Ol’ G has come a long way in 2 years as he dropped 40s up a shorter version!!

    Yeah but in the past he was going in specifically as a super-domestique; it was more luck than judgement that he ended up in yellow last year although to be fair Sky did then throw their weight behind him rather than trying to get CF back into yellow.

    So now he’s going in as joint leader / defending champion and more importantly minus CF so he’s free to ride with full support now.

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    Thats quite a tight top 20.

    Could really be anyones race ATM. One bad day, one crash, one dodgy taco..

    So glad we had a break, great to see Meurisse from Wanty in the top 15! I can only imagine the DS’s amazement and the Company that backs them.. Great ride right to the end.

    I think the ride of the day was Teuns’s. He played it right out, seemed to be savvy at the bottom of the last climb and looked in great form all the way up to the top..

    Enjoyed the gravel bit at the end, but honestly think it was put in as an afterthought or press gossiping piece..

    😬

    Klunk
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    So now he’s going in as joint leader / defending champion and more importantly minus CF so he’s free to ride with full support now.

    Froome won on that climb as a super domestique where as G lost 40 secs.

    mooman
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    Good stage that.
    Thomas looks in great form it must be said, and so too is Valverde .. amazing!

    It still very early though in this race, but I’m hoping Alaphilippe can some how do it.

    I think the team TT has distorted the race somewhat. Not sure I like, or particularly agree with the team TT.

    Klunk
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    I think the team TT has distorted the race somewhat. Not sure I like, or particularly agree with the team TT.

    isn’t there to justify each rider having his own TT bike ? if it was just a TT most riders would riding their road bikes with tri-bars attached.

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    isn’t there to justify each rider having his own TT bike ? if it was just a TT most riders would riding their road bikes with tri-bars attached.

    Erm, so what will they be riding in the ITT next week?

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    isn’t there to justify each rider having his own TT bike ? if it was just a TT most riders would riding their road bikes with tri-bars attached.

    No-one does that anymore. They’re all on specialist TT bikes.
    Occasionally the organisers will put in a TT with a bloody great climb in the middle and riders might do the first half on a TT bike and then swap to a road bike (which personally I think should be banned) but any form of TT, they’re all on specific TT bikes.

    mooman
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    I thought Klunk was being silly/flippant with that comment?

    The team TT can give an unfair advantage/disadvantage as has been shown already.
    The winner of the TDF is an individual. I know it takes a team, but they don’t announce the winner of the TDF as ‘Team Sky won with Chris Froome having the fastest time’ .. it’s correctly announced as Chris Froome won, and he rides for Team Sky.

    whitestone
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    I’d like to see a single speed ITT stage on a rolling course.

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    The team TT can give an unfair advantage/disadvantage as has been shown already.
    The winner of the TDF is an individual.

    I get people’s dislike of the TTT, but in some ways it’s just a recognition that three-week tour cycling is essentially a team sport. No-one wins the Tour de France riding as an ‘individual’. It’s one of the main reasons Ineos / Sky are so formidable, they could lose Poels early on the climb yesterday and still have a rider of Kwiato’s quality pulling on the front. It also means that if you load up your team with tiny climbing elves with a view to the big mountains, you’ll likely take a hit at the TTT – hello Movistar.

    It’s also way too early to be making serious predictions about the overall standings. Even in the sense of yesterday being a pointer to climbing form – the climbs were steep, but relatively short. And they were at much lower altitude than the high mountain climbs, which affects riders differently. You’d think that an altitde native like Bernal, for example, is likely to go better above 2,000m or so than yesterday when they were only at about 1150m or so.

    That said, Nibali looked like he was still feeling the aftermath of the Giro, which is what everyone thought would be the case, so you do wonder if he’ll forget about GC and just ride for stage wins, which is what he said he was going to do anyway.

    I thought Klunk was being silly/flippant with that comment?

    I was just kind of baffled. You do wonder how much training most teams do for team time trials. It’s a really specific skill that’s only used occasionally. Apparently Jumbo-Visma did a whole lot of training on an airfield to get things spot on, but in the end it gained them, what, 20 seconds. I guess that might be crucial in the end, but most of the margins were pretty small. Unless you have a team of diminutive climbing elves, in which case you’ve presumably calculated that the gains outweigh the losses.

    TTT, good coverage for sponsors, good for tv, good for spectators and it breaks up the monotony of the flat sprinters stages. I like them.

    As for the gravel, well if your going to do it , then do it properly. Lets have 100km of the stuff, heck while were at it lets have a xc mtb stage, a fixie crit and a bmx race.

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    Good to see Geraint letting his legs do the talking after all the Bernal hype, but too early to read much into it (beyond that GT’s not as slow and out-of-shape as some have suggested).

    Apparently Jumbo-Visma did a whole lot of training on an airfield to get things spot on, but in the end it gained them, what, 20 seconds.

    Because they came in 20s quicker than Ineos? That would assume their base time was the same as Ineos, but they may well have been a couple of minutes slower without said airfield training.

    I’m sure they regard smashing the TTT and keeping the yellow jersey as a big success.

    Still don’t want to watch a TT of any sort myself though.

    whitestone
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    I think it’s more race sharpness that GT’s lacking rather than being out of shape. There wasn’t really any of the sparring you get between GC contenders yesterday more get to the bottom of the last climb and give it what you’ve got. OK, Alaphilippe made a break near the end and GT reeled him in but he wasn’t having to constantly cover attacks the way he’ll have to do in the Alps and Pyrenees.

    TTs give roadside spectators more to look at than a breakaway then a bunch going past in a blur – now you’ve 176 riders all going past one at a time in a blur! Individual TTs are part of road riding so I can see a logic in including them, TTTs not so much. The organisers have a balancing act in deciding how long the TT will be such that it doesn’t disproportionately affect the whole race which we’ve seen in the Giro with Yates.

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    I think it’s more race sharpness that GT’s lacking rather than being out of shape.

    Point taken, “out of form” was what I meant really.

    I think there’s been an assumption (or suspicion) in some quarters that he’d been living the high life on the celeb circuit last year’s win and wouldn’t be at the same level this year.

    Still too early to tell obvs, but yesterday’s finish made this year’s race even more interesting.

    brakes
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    Bernal, for example, is likely to go better above 2,000m or so than yesterday

    interesting point – long attacks in thin air – exciting prospect.

    lose Poels early on the climb yesterday

    I reckon this was tactical, I seem to remember him doing similar last year, and being saved for the long climbs in the 2nd and 3rd weeks. There was no need to have a 4-man train on the Plank.

    whitestone
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    @chapaking – wasn’t getting at you, honest!

    There’s still two weeks of racing to go so I wouldn’t expect the GC riders to be peaking at the moment. In addition teams will arrange the domestiques to peak at different times so that there’s always someone “fresh” to protect the GC contender. All that means is that I wouldn’t read too much into the differences on lPdBF, it’s a statistical outlier coming so early in the race (it’s never been later than stage 10), the main GC contenders were all pretty close apart from Bardet who lost over a minute to Thomas.

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    wasn’t getting at you, honest!

    No worries, didn’t think you were having a pop.

    I agree with you anyway, too early to tell who’s strong but some hints on who’s not.

    Was it only Alaphillipe really trying to chase GT yesterday anyway?

    whitestone
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    Was it only Alaphilippe really trying to chase GT yesterday anyway?

    I only watched the highlights and there didn’t seem to be that many genuine attacks, maybe a few probings but no attack where the intention was to get ahead and stay ahead or even get a trusted lieutenant up the road then bridge across to him.

    Oh, missed one of the pre-race ‘favourites’, maybe outside favourite – TJ Van Garderen. He lost over six minutes yesterday so don’t think he’s in contention anymore.

    TiRed
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    I thought yesterday turned out as expected. Neutral race and a bit of a spectacle at the end. I’m not really a fan of silly steep extensions to try and add a bit of sparkle and time gains. I’d prefer the old fashioned big time bonuses instead and see riders race for them. Seeing the pros struggle up 25% is no different to sticking them on a KICKR at the end of a session after a transition in my view. Just a power test. Why not make them run instead? Think that’s been done already ;-). Could warm up with a fresh dip first 😉

    As for the TTT, I love them. Especially now that they have limited the distance to prevent big discrepancies in times. It is a great spectacle and something you have to train for. Jumbo Visma are all big units with lots of power. Deciding how to get four over the line as fast as possible provides plenty of strategy. How would you use Tony Martin tontow your train for example?

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    I think Alaphillipe needs to start thinking he’s a contender and not trying to win every stage – apparently he was annoyed to lose yellow but Ciccone (as good a prospect as he is) won’t hold onto it. I think this year I’d like to see either Alaphillipe or Pinot win it

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    I think Alaphillipe needs to start thinking he’s a contender and not trying to win every stage

    Has he ever stated that he’s going for GC? I haven’t been paying full attention but I thought trying to win every stage was kind-of his thing – like a more climb-y Sagan?

    djglover
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    Alaphillipe not going for GC surely just wants to stay in yellow for as long as possible. If he was doing a GC race he wouldn’t be on the lead out train or attacking like this, he’ll be cooked by the middle of next week

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