- Top Gear – Senna
Senna was a complicated character; that's part of the interest. He could be utterly brutal and chop someone up, but that clip where he jumped out of his car to comfort the crashed driver (Comas?) was incredibly touching.
If you haven't seen it, you must watch it tonight (Monday) it will be pulled and never shown again. The repeat later in the week is 45 minutes long as the Senna bit is cut out. Something to do with F1 rights on the footage.
Watch it!Posted 7 years agoScottCheggMember
Senna at Monaco was a frightening sight. He said at the time he just kept going faster and faster and he eventually realised he could keep going faster until he had an enormous firey crash and backed off. 1.5 sec a lap quicker than Prost in the same car? Astonishing. Precision versus flair.Posted 7 years agomolgripsSubscriber
Just watched the first part of it – only caught the end of it on Sunday.
I am not usually one for fast cars, but that Veyron looks good. Not sure what it's really for though.
There must be something else cool we can do with cars that doesn't involve simply making them go fast?Posted 7 years agodavid_rMember
Yeah, was a great episode. The Veyron was amazing. The straight on that track was 5.5 miles long? Cant remember what the top final speed was, but at 240 mph thats covering a mile every 15 seconds! so that straight would of taken aound 1.25 minutes … wow!
The bit on Senna was also very entertaining.Posted 7 years agocooganMember
The piece on Senna was right up there with his Victoria Cross documentary. Well worth checking out if you haven't seen it.
Was the one about the original Commandos pretending to be German to sneak up a heavily armoured waterway to blow up the submarine docks? If so, that was just one awe inspiring documentary.Posted 7 years agomboySubscriber
Senna at Monaco was a frightening sight.
The in car footage of him driving round Monaco in his MP4/4, wrestling with the steering wheel with his left hand (as it constantly grabs and trys to throw the car off line over the cambers) whilst keeping his right on the gear lever, sliding the car round seemingly every corner, all the while balancing what can only be described as a time bomb of an engine to extract a qualifying lap of 1.5sec quicker than even the great Alain Prost!
He was a controversial figure that's for sure, and I remember really not liking Senna that much as a kid (combination of always being faster than Mansell and other British drivers and forcing Prost off at Suzuka), but when I witnessed first hand the race at Donnington in 93 in what can only be described as probably the least competitive F1 car McLaren ever produced, well…
Whatever you think of him, he was a genius!Posted 7 years agoInbred456Member
There was only one repeat of that episode then that's it. It will not be shown again because of the price of showing old F1 footage. If you missed it the second time you've had it I'm afraid. Top gear producer Andy Wilman was on Evan's show on Monday morning and said the cost of showing the footage is prohibitive and it's heading to the BBC archives never to be seen again.
I think the other factory veyron test driver got the average up to 266mph!Posted 7 years agonickcSubscriber
Thing is though, late on in the race, Prost gained a huge amount of time over Senna after overtaking Berger in the Ferrari, and Senna crashed after panicking and losing concentration. So all that work down the drain…
1988 was the year that McLaren won all but one race. Senna won the drivers because he had more wins (in those days only best 11 races counted), although Prost had more points…Posted 7 years agowee-alSubscriber
The Senna piece was brilliant. I was equally pleased however, with a stunning return to form in the direction/camerawork. Some of the Touraeg shots and of Hamilton on the track were beautiful!
As someone mentioned earlier, i too wondered about the fact that two massive Holywood stars could come in and set two new fastest laps?!?Posted 7 years agothekingisdeadMember
As someone mentioned earlier, i too wondered about the fact that two massive Holywood stars could come in and set two new fastest laps?!?
Dont forget its:
a) a new reasonably priced car, with very few drivers on the board
b) Cruise (and probably Diaz) will have driven a fair few fast cars during there careers, probably with professional tuition too.
Cruise rides bikes and planes, so I dont think taking a mechanical object to its limit lark is new to him!
I wasn't that surprised.Posted 7 years agoianpinderMember
In all fairness, like has been mentioned above, they have both probably had a great deal of training in fast driving, tom especially so. Also they just looked like they were going fast, we've all seen other celebs turn the car early into the final corner and do a small jump buy never end up on two wheels for a good 20m . Also what does anyone gain from them being at the topPosted 7 years agoJCLMember
The Veyron piece was predictable and the car is barge. Throw 8 liters and four turbos at it and it ends up just 28 mph faster than a normally aspirated Mclaren F1 launched over 10 years ago. Senna's MP4/4 had nearly 700hp from 1.5 liters in 1988. Now that is impressive.
I really have my doubts it'd beat a Gumpert or R500 around that particular track too. I'm sure keeping Mr Volkswagon happy had something to do with the time.Posted 7 years ago
Said this on a different thread, Hamilton as always shows his utter passion for racing. Away from the Corporate-speak when he lets his hair down he just shows that hes in racing for the kicks/fun and not the job. Even on relatively bad performances have you ever heard him bitching?!!!!
I bet even if he was driving a taxi round Stevenage for a living he'd manage to get kicks out of it!Posted 7 years agoclubberMember
Yes, we all know you don't like Hamilton, TJ – racist 😉 (kidding, seriously!)
He does moan sometimes but frankly who wouldn't – I'd say he's actually less of a moaner than most.
Anyway, back on topic, I recorded it – fast forwarded through the Toerag stuff, watched the TC/CD stuff and thought that while the do genuinely seem to like fast cars/etc that they were playing very hard at the 'we're good mates' thing which was pretty excruciating though I don't have any issue believing their lap times.
The Senna bit was good though a bit blinkered – he wasn't perfect and he wasn't always the best driver though he was consistently excellent and sometimes just stunning. I loved the footage of Mansell trying to get past him at Monaco in 92 though – brought the memories back and I know that getting past was near impossible for Mansell but it was still brilliant TV.Posted 7 years ago
What saying 'we have to go away and do some work on the car'
'the upgrades didnt work so we had to revert back'?
Comes across as descriptive rather than moan.
Even when he didnt reach the podium- as recently he says 'it felt like the drive of my life'.
Remember a year back he qualified well down the field in the rain (c.14th?)- fought through but dropped back again and at the end described his race and enjoyable.Posted 7 years agoTandemJeremyMember
Clubber – He moans precisely because he is so passionate about things – I just wanted to correct Hora who said he doesn't bitch – when he clearly does.
Hoar – no – moaning when things go wrong – he does it many times – I don't think its wrong or bad that he does it.Posted 7 years agotronMember
Gordon Murray has ripped chunks out of the Veyron a few times. He reckons they dropped a massive clanger when they said "We're going to built a car that does 400kph and it'll look like this".
There's a reason why almost all really fast road cars share their shape with things like the McLaren F1 & LeMans prototypes. It's the best shape for the job.
I reckon it's pretty easy to see how the Veyron costs 5 million to make. Almost every other supercar manufacturer has either a fairly standard configuration of engine, or buys one in and hots it up. The Veyron has an engine which is unique to the car – not just different heads, but a different block. The thing's not aerodynamically brilliant, so it needs lots of radiators. And there's an astonishing amount of technology involved in keeping it on the ground. But ultimately, the big problem with making a Veyron is that it's scratch built. Almost everything had to be developed for that car, so all the set up costs are pushed into the price.
That said, get something like a McLaren F1 or an Ultima, and you'd get it going as fast with considerably less horses.Posted 7 years agoPookSubscriber
Also what does anyone gain from them (CD/TC) being at the top
Top Gear getting more Hollywood A-listers to come on a pokey British motor show.
Agent: "Why the goddamn hell would Sylvester/Russell/Harrison wanna come on your hokey Brit show man?"
TG booker: "Well, dear boy, Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz set the fastest laps earlier this year when they came to promote their new film to our 6 million strong viewing audience…."
Agent: "When do ya wan' em?"
edit: this is TG Booker by the way….Posted 7 years ago
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