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  • IHN
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7927461.stm

    Personally I think it’s the only sensible approach, but then I am a bleeding heart liberal.

    cynic-al
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    sootyandjim
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    If you legalise something you can instigate a degree of control and also tax it.

    Same goes for certain types of currently illegal drugs.

    Junkyard
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    If you cannot prevent it occuring (whatever your own personal moral views) you need to legislate to control and minimise harm. Same with drugs and abortion

    jackthedog
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    I agree. Legalise.

    druidh
    Member

    I agree. Legalise.

    Premier Icon geoffj
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    or you provide a pseudo legitimate front for a business which is still effectively exploiting young girls – sort of used car salesman selling cut and shuts.

    mrsflash
    Member

    Yup, legalise.

    Moses
    Member

    It’s legal already.

    IHN
    Member

    At last! A descentor.

    a pseudo legitimate front for a business which is still effectively exploiting young girls

    Not pseudo, just legitimate. And the NZ cases seems to have shown that the girls are exploited less because they know their legally enforceable rights.

    coffeeking
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    Junkyard – abortion is legal?

    I dont see anything inherently wrong with prostitution so I would probably say legalise it and give better protection to those doing it legally. I dont think the same can be said for drugs etc so I’d not go so far on that.

    IHN
    Member

    It’s legal already

    Whilst it’s not illegal to have sex for money, it is still illegal to ‘live off immoral earnings’ i.e. run a brothel.

    mrsflash
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    coffeeking, I assume he was referring to when it wasn’t and was all back street abortions?

    Premier Icon Sandwich
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    Could cause problems though when the job centre places a job seeking 44 year old woman in a brothel because they advertised. Don’t do the job and lose benefits, do the job and lose self esteem, family etc. (There was a case in Germany not many years back).

    Moses
    Member

    Yes, abortion is legal in the UK, up to (I think) 20 weeks from conception.

    It’s also illegal to solicit in England (dunno about Scotland) – and kerb-crawling is illegal.

    But prostitution is legal, hence escorts / call-girls / whores can make a legal living. It’s pimps and madames that can’t.

    IHN
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    Sandwich – that is an interesting twist, I hadn’t thought of that.

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    Having read the article, I’m in favour legalising it – and drugs, fwiw, on the same basis.

    God forbid my daughter ever chose it as a career, but far better to do it in a more controlled and safer environment.

    And you can work round the benefits issue if you draft the laws correctly

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    I think it’s immoral to try and impose one view of morality through law. So legalise, and deny the bad people their business.

    So legalise (some) drugs and all sorts of sex work, and then watch the tax pounds roll in. And cut crime in the process.

    gonefishin
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    [devils advocate mode]

    So to those who support legalisation of prostitution, would you be happy with it in your own community/doorstep?

    [/devils advocate mode]

    Legalisation would only be a first step and would as has been said lead to other problems. There was an uproar when anne summers tried to advertise in a job center.

    Premier Icon vinnyeh
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    While I agree that prostitution should be legalised, I think that New Zealand’s a substantially different environment to the UK, and saying that because it’s largely trouble free there doesn’t mean that it would be here.

    I’m no expert but I thought that the two serious illegal trades associated with prostitution in this country are hard drugs and people trafficking/”slavery”. No real mention of drugs in what’s a pretty idealised article, but NZ has a pretty serious drug problem, and I can’t see the girls yneeding the money for drugs being able to work in a sanitised environment – they’ll still be there on a street corner, even more marginalised, and forced to work harder for less money.
    I don’t imagine New Zealand really has the same issues with illegal immigration as this country does, and I can’t any reason why legalisation will close the illegal brothels down.

    In short I reckon it’ll just make it a bit easier for a lot of white middle class girls to pay for their education/buy their first flat/pay off their credit cards, in the same way that pole dancing is currently an acceptable way to do that.

    coffeeking
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    So to those who support legalisation of prostitution, would you be happy with it in your own community/doorstep?

    Used to work in buildings in the red light district of Liverpool – other than one of the girls turning up dead in the bushes at the back of the office I saw no problems. They were generally nice enough, chatty etc Their comings and goings never affected me at all. Just because something is legalised doesnt mean it’s going to be done from the flat next door.

    The main reason I’d support legalisation is that it is no different from many jobs. Labouring on a building site is essentially whoring your body out to move stuff about and apply some skills. It can be dangerous, not everyone would want to do it etc etc

    sharki
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    At the present ecominic climate people should be encouraged to find employement in any field they choose, legalising it will keep it better controlled and safer, being one of the few things i’m good at and without a job at the mo, it could be my only chance of earning a few pence…

    So anyone wanna no strings shag????

    coffeeking
    Member

    STW becomes latest cyber street corner ๐Ÿ™‚

    Moses
    Member

    Let us know how you get on as a rent-boy, sharki.
    Rather you than me.

    footstomper
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    Definately should be legal, in fact I think I will send my girls onto the streets early tonight to take a poll among their regulars ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

    grynch
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    prostitution is legal here in Geneva ( not switz as a whole.. just here… someone has to keep all the diplomats happy I guess. )

    the girls carry permits ( so I’m told ) and have to get health checks once a month… great once a month… how long does it take to contact AIDS?
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    simonfbarnes
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    is anyone going to admit to having had a prostitute ? I’d never even knowingly seen one until last year when a young woman solicited me. I was embarrassed and walked away quickly…

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    How hese things are presented shapes the debate enormously. In that article, “Sophie” is a bright, pleasant woman with no social problems other than a shortage of money. She is having sex with people for money, it’s legal, it’s all lovely.

    I have no doubt that there are plenty of women who are like her, but presumably it remains true that there are plenty who are not, and who are doing what they do because they are desperately vulnerable and have a full gamut of social problems starting with having been in care as children and working up through abusive relationships and drug addiction.

    Now, I’d go to a legalised brothel without worrying about it too much morally if that was the done thing. But I suspect that might be a moderately expensive business, and I’d not want to be paying a desperate drug addict with bad breath and needle marks. Assuming the desperate drug addict is still pretty much otherwise unemployable and stands no chance of getting a job in a nice clean legalised brothel she is still going to be selling herself, and she’s going to be much cheaper than the clean girls with the VD certificates and the sexy undies making a safe and empowered career choice inside.

    Result, in this scenario, is a lot more “nice” girls taking up prostitution as a career choice, and a whole load of ther same helpless people who do it now not having the chance to do it legally and carrying on doing it illegally. The only way those people are put out of business is if virtually all of the potential punters prefer a nice classy experience in a legalised brothel regardless of the additional cost.

    I’m in favour of legalisation, but I’m not sure it removes all the real problems of the present situation.

    sharki
    Member

    There’s a load off here heading down to the quantocks this weekend, they’re paying me in cake and will be well and truely shagged at the end of it….

    Is this illegal prostitution???????

    IHN
    Member

    Another intelligent, lucid post from BD. You’re the Jekyll to PaddedFred’s Hyde ๐Ÿ™‚

    I’m in favour of legalisation, but I’m not sure it removes all the real problems of the present situation.

    I’m sure it doesn’t. In the case of addicts though, it’s a well known fact that it’s often their pimps who are also their dealers. Clean up the pimps through legalisation and you go some way to helping them from their drugs cycle.

    I don’t for one minute think that legalisation is the silver bullet, but it’s got to be better than the present situation.

    So to those who support legalisation of prostitution, would you be happy with it in your own community/doorstep?

    The woman who lives across the road from me is on the game. I have no problem with her gentleman callers (I do have a problem with her stealing our cat, but that’s by the by).

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    Simon – no, never. BUT I suspect that’s because it would all be rather hard work and seedy.

    I nearly ended up in a brothel in Warsaw on a mate’s stag do. We had been more or less living in a strip club (rather pathetically) for two days and some people were getting bored with just groping women’s breasts for quite large amounts of money. There was a brothel listed in the Rough Guide as being safe and good fun, and it was mooted as a serious suggestion. The only reason we did not go, I think, was that the groom really, really did not want to.

    Now, rocking into a strip club in Warsaw was effortless (I’ve never gone to one in the UK) and going to a brothel was clearly quite easily achieved. If I had the option of popping into a fairly “fun” sort of brothel, having a drink and maybe acclimatising myself to the idea of paying for sex in an environment that was neither seedy, threatening or anything else I cannot, in all seriousness, totallly rule out the possibility. On the other hand I can safely rule out the possibility under present arrangements. Being candid, there is probably a huge potential demand, as there clearly was for lap-dancing. If paying for sex is made easier and more appealling then I reckon we have to face up to the fact that quite a few more people will do it. Social constraint cannot be relied upon either. Very recently, lap-dancing has gone from a ridiculous and sordid performance to somethign that young women fall over themselves to be OK with and to claim they regard it as empowering and artistic. The same process would apply to visiting nice clean attractive legal prostitutes. Bored blokes would be telling their wives that what they really needed was a nice threesome on valentine’s day, Cosmo would do a report on how much fun it was, and away you go…

    IHN
    Member

    Sharki – bend over and take it like a man…

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    IHN – to what use is the stolen cat being put?! ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

    [/quote]“is anyone going to admit to having had a prostitute ? I’d never even knowingly seen one until last year when a young woman solicited me. I was embarrassed and walked away quickly…”

    Hey Simon you forgot to add

    ……Looking for the cash till ๐Ÿ™‚

    sootyandjim
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    I used to go out with a woman who worked as a professional dominatrix and though its not prostitution as such (being as there is no actual sex involved) its often lumped into the same category and some of the offences (such as living off immoral earnings) can also be applied in the case of arrest.

    She had no qualms about doing the job, she saw it as basically a form of acting and it paid very well. She had never ben troubled by the police, worked from a nice house in Chelsea, paid taxes (though she was officially a ‘relationship counsellor’) and had quite a large amount of wealthy clients (bot male and female) and some of them were fairly well known public figures.

    Junkyard
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    sootyandjim – Member
    I used to go out with a woman who worked as a professional dominatrix

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    and here was me thinking a good beating would sort you out ah well ๐Ÿ˜‰

    sootyandjim
    Member

    Actually in her non-working life she was a very submissive person, just a very good actress for work.

    sofatester
    Member

    Kill for a living and get a medal.

    Make love for a living and get a criminal record.

    Go figure!

    sootyandjim
    Member

    sofatester – Did a squaddie steal your girlfriend off you?

    sofatester
    Member

    God no, it was an officer! What kind of girls do you think i go out with Sooty? ๐Ÿ˜†

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