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  • To politicians, we’re little more than meaningless blobs on a monitor
  • miketually
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    We’re the ants in their garden. The bacteria in their stools. They have nothing but contempt for us.

    More genius from the keyboard of Charlton “Charlie” Brooker: To politicians, we’re little more than meaningless blobs on a monitor. Bring on the summer of rage.

    El-bent
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    I can’t disagree with any of that. I’m sure this shower will be voted out at the next election only to be replaced by another.

    We need a radical change.

    WhatWouldJesusRide
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    This does nothing to help my growing feeling of nihilism.

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    mikewsmith
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    you elected them

    aracer
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    you elected them

    No I didn’t!

    miketually
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    I didn’t either.

    sootyandjim
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    Neither did I.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Nope, can’t say that I did either.

    I shall, of course, be working to vote them out, however.

    trailmonkey
    Full Member

    I voted for them. I will again, given the sorry excuse of an alternative.

    sootyandjim
    Free Member

    I will again given the alternative.

    Ah, so its either officially a two party system or you are a defeatist.

    Hammo
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    Vote Green!

    IanMunro
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    I’m hoping Vince Cable will form his own party.

    trailmonkey
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    Ah, so its either officially a two party system or you are a defeatist.

    What evidence is there that it’s anything other than a 2 party system ? Lib Dems ? Yeah right. Greens ? Laughable. BNP ? Can’t believe I’ve even brought them into the debate. Not much left is there and out of the two, I would nevervote Tory.

    sofatester
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    I never bloody voted for them!

    30% of the population did though (feel free to correct me)

    To think I was mug enough to sign up and fight for them as well, still makes me #violent swear word deleted# sick! 👿

    The reason we only have a “two party system” is that people can’t see past the smoke screen the powers that be put up. Vote for who you think is the best, not who you think will win.

    Empathy is a disease!

    grumm
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    I have to say, much as I am disgusted with the whole horrible, failed New Labour experiment – I would be tempted to vote for them, just to stop the Tories getting in. Which says a lot about the state of our political system.

    I also think there is a lot of moronic bitterness and blaming of Gordon Brown for things which are entirely beyond his control.

    Personally I think some kind of PR system needs to be brought in, but there is zero chance of either of the two main parties doing that.

    sootyandjim
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    …. and out of the two, I would nevervote Tory.

    Ah, so you’re one of them.

    With my upbringing and background it would be assumed that I would vote nothing but Tory yet I have on quite a few occasions.

    Voters who vote based purely on the colour of the rosette the clown who knocks on the door is wearing are by far the biggest single problem with the democratic process in this country.

    I also think there is a lot of moronic bitterness and blaming of Gordon Brown for things which are entirely beyond his control.

    Such as selling off the gold reserves after announcing he would be doing so and hence devaluing the market, p!ssing the 3G licence money up the wall and generally falling over himself to protect the votes, I mean jobs, of employees of Northern Rock?

    Aye, completely out of his control.

    trailmonkey
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    Voters who vote based purely on the colour of the rosette the clown who knocks on the door is wearing are by far the biggest single problem with the democratic process in this country.

    I think you’ll find that first past the post voting rather than a system of proportianal representation is a bigger stumbling block to a democratic process than people who refuse to vote the way that you want them too.

    aracer
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    I also think there is a lot of moronic bitterness and blaming of Gordon Brown for things which are entirely beyond his control.

    Some of us blame him for making things much worse due to the things which very much were in his control. After all, if it’s a global crisis, how come the £ has dropped so far against the $ and the €?

    trailmonkey
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    The pound has dropped against the Euro because we never adopted it in the first place.

    grumm
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    Isn’t the weak pound a good thing for British industry though?

    I’m not saying he’s blameless, but there seems to be loads of idiots saying ‘I’ve lost my job thanks to Gordon Brown’ etc – which for the most part is just nonsense.

    El-bent
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    Curious how the tory voters here seem to think that it’ll all be alright once they get into power. Blind faith I call it.

    The two main party’s are merely a variation on a theme.

    sootyandjim
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    …. than people who refuse to vote the way that you want them too.

    I’m not bothered for who people vote, just by what means they use to determine how to cast that vote.

    How many die-hard socialists do we hear bemoaning the current Labour party for their lack of socialist values?

    Whilst the idea of “anyone but Tory” may sound good, by voting for a Labour party that is basically Tories in red ties those self-same die-hard socialists who disapprove of Labour’s swing to the right are also approving of them. Far better to vote for policies that you agree with than “well I’ve always voted for them”.

    As we have seen with Labour (and the Tories to a small extent), policies change.

    darrell
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    well i’m not allowed to vote

    Junkyard
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    Voters who vote based purely on the colour of the rosette the clown who knocks on the door is wearing are by far the biggest single problem with the democratic process in this country.

    Not like that rosette would tell you anything about their poilitics now is it?
    Not like the manifesto of the party that the rosette belongs to will tell you anything about their likely voting patterns now will it?
    What criteria should we be using then if not the party they belong to?

    willard
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    I was thinking about a revolution. What day is good for everyone? Next Thursday?

    By the way, continuing to vote labour to prevent the Tories from getting in is almost as stupid as someone continuing to drink meths so that they don’t have to see how badly they are messing up their life.

    If politicians are messing up the country, do something about it. if that means voting for another party, vote for another party. If that means starting your own party to deal with those specific issues, then do that. Our “democracy” may be flawed, but you can do that and at least say that you tried to change something.

    SammySammSamm
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    There’s an awful lot of talk about this. It’s not about whos in power, it’s about showing who it is in power that we won’t put up with it. The only way of doing that is to remove them from power, surely. Then the tories do it some more, so we remove them from power too.
    /misguided

    darrell
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    if you try and change anything you’ll get arrested and held without trial under the anti-terrorist laws or sommat

    sootyandjim
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    Not like that rosette would tell you anything about their poilitics now is it?

    Jacqui Smith and Dennis Skinner both wear the same colour rosette when pressing the flesh but Jacqui Smith is far from being the type of Labour politician I respect or support the personal policies of.

    trailmonkey
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    Far better to vote for policies that you agree with than “well I’ve always voted for them”.

    TBH, it’s sometimes a case of voting against rather than for. When I first moved to the SW, I voted Lib Dem as it was the only viable vote against the Tory candidate in this area. Since 97, it’s been worth voting for Lab as it has seemed worth voting for them. Next time, I’ll be voting whichever makes sense to keep the Tories out.

    sootyandjim
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    But therein lies the problem.

    You should vote for who you want in, not who you need to vote for to keep someone else out.

    No wonder their is so much disillusionment of the democratic system in this country when people ignore policies of the party they are voting for purely to keep a rosette out.

    trailmonkey
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    No wonder their is so much disillusionment of the democratic system in this country when people ignore policies of the party they are voting for purely to keep a rosette out

    Sorry, you’ve lost me. Do the Tories have policies ?

    Junkyard
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    excercising of political choice due to no PR in my opinion – tactical voting is still voting why not moan at those who dont actualy vote and then complain?.

    Jacqui Smith and Dennis Skinner both wear the same colour rosette when pressing the flesh but Jacqui Smith is far from being the type of Labour politician I respect or support the personal policies of.

    True but check out their voting record and say compare it to William Hague and say Anne Widdicombe…. any insight form the rosette yet or is it simply a fashion statement?

    aracer
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    Curious how the tory voters here seem to think that it’ll all be alright once they get into power.

    Not that I’ve always voted Tory, but I will at the next GE (not that it really makes any difference, as I live in a very safe Conservative constituency anyway). But no, I don’t think it will suddenly be alright – but at least they can start to follow slightly more sensible, less knee-jerk policies.

    The pound has dropped against the Euro because we never adopted it in the first place.

    That’s not the point – the exchange rate is simply a measure of how people view the relative strength of our economy (hence why the fact it might be good for some businesses is also irrelevant). Do you really think given the huge change in the € exchange rate that being in it would have been a good thing?

    sobriety
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    Do the Tories have policies

    Not since Nu-Labour stole them!

    CaptainFlashheart
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    molgrips
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    As I understood it the £ has gone down more than some others because of the large share of our GDP that comes from the financial sector.

    Whilst I don’t think the current govt are *particularly* good I don’t think the others would be any better, possibly worse and definitely further from my idealogical standpoint. I would rather have a competent mid-left government in power but I’m basically sh*t outta luck on that score.

    Long live democracy eh….

    We need PR desperately.

    MrNutt
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    I’m quite looking forward to a summer of rage, arn’t you?

    sootyandjim
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    Aye, should be interesting.

    With train fares from Nottingham to London being so cheap it might be worth popping down for May Day this year.

    molgrips
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    It makes no difference which mainstream party you vote for, because they are effectively one.

    (from the linked comments)

    This is democracy at work. The parties have converged on what we want, because that’s what’ll make them electable. So we as voters need to get a clue.

    Education is the key.

    IanMunro
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    The parties have converged on what we want
    Or it’s a case of regression to mean, and what we want is invariably to the left or right of what they offer.

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