- Time for Gordon Brown to go
I reckon (11:45) that it's more likely for Brown to go, but a Lib-Lab pact will be formed with another PM.Posted 9 years ago
The LibDems need proportional representation, and the Tories would not give it to them as it would be in their interest to delay such a bill, then hold another election in 6 monthsgonefishinMember
Whilst I generally agree that he shouldn't be PM in the next parliament, under our electoral system it actually falls first to him as the current Prime Minister to try and form a government and if he cannot only then would David Cameron be invited to try and form one.Posted 9 years ago
Would Clegg lose all credibility by going for a Lib-Lab pact? He's been spouting out all through the election he'll support the party with the most votes/seats.
But I imagine Brown will be required to fall on his sword to keep the Labs in power in a coalition. Regardless of if he wants to or not. I can just see him as they drag him our of No. 10 in a straightjacket "No, no, I'm the one who can lead the country out of all its' problems. Me I tell you, Meeeeeeeeeeeeeee"Posted 9 years agotomzoMember
FPP gives Labour too many seats for their popularity, and under scores Conservative and LibDem. So why do Labour vaguely support it and are Conservatives so strongly against it?
Presume you've made a typing error….
conservatives support FPP, because theres less chance of coalition/hung governement and more chance of them in power
Lib Dem support PR as it gives them loads more seats than FPP
Think labour want alternative vote- where i think you rank the parties in what order you support. dunno how they work out the votes from that one though. Also probably trying to side more with the lib dems in hope of forming a lib/lab governement
Essentially they all just choose whatevers more likely to get them in power.Posted 9 years ago
Whilst I generally agree that he shouldn't be PM in the next parliament, under our electoral system it actually falls first to him as the current Prime Minister to try and form a government and if he cannot only then would David Cameron be invited to try and form one.
But Clegg won't talk to Lab until he's had the chance to talk to the Cons & without the Libs, Brown cannot even start to form a government
so that sort of reverses things a bitPosted 9 years ago
GB will be remembered for not saving for a rainy day when all was shining around him, selling gold at third of current price etc. His legacy is not over yet and he may well be remembered for leaving the UK with massive debt, fault or no fault (to be fair continual growth wasn't down to him either). That and nicking stuff out of my pension without asking.Posted 9 years ago
GB will be remembered as the man who:
never won an election !
Sold our Gold
borrowed too much
spent it all
Employed over 10% UK workforce
Would, then wouldn't allow us a referrendum
He hasn't just been voted out for doing a good job
EDIT: BreathEasy & MM. Spot on !Posted 9 years agoJunkyardMember
mm interesting one the constitution gives him first dibs but Labour clearly lost the election. That said the tories did not quite win it- close but did not cross the finish line. Lib dems wil not do a deal without PR full stop…not sure what they will sacrifice for PR but that is their sole/only/first priority. T think a lab/lib oalition is their only chance of that as I am sure Plaid and SNP and he green MP will support that. Not a done deal yetor dave . I expect PR by end of year and /or a new election. Think Cameron should resign and join the English cricket team ..they will appreciate his ability to steal defeat from the jaws of victory. Brown will go BUT only if Lib will do a deal he will fall on his sword for the party/to avoid a tory government.Posted 9 years ago
Odd results cannot believe the tories could not beat this shower and in this economic climate ….best chance for them to rule for a generation I would be tempted to let them take charge f@ck up everything and make themselves unelectable for another generation. Cant see whoever is nominally in power winning next election as too many unpopular decisions to be made.I_did_dabSubscriber
Whereas Cameron is the man who to use a football analogy, failed to score in front of an open goal, and now is hoping for a rebound to go in of everyone's favourites party the DUP. He has the support of 36.2% of the electorate, while a lib-lab coalition has 52.0% (on current figures).Posted 9 years ago
Ha !. Yeah, like the public didn't have anything to do with it.
Well GB owned the goal, was the goal keeper and still failed.
Cons have won over 90 seats
Labour has lost nearly that. Pity there weren't a few more sensible people voting pragmatically.
Markets are likely to punish us for this and we've only ourselves to blame.
Those three put themselves up there for us to choose who gets into No10, and we fecked that up.
CC.Posted 9 years ago
a lib-lab coalition has 52.0%
A rather spurious figure. I don't recall any lib-lab coalition candidates on my polling form. Just because labour got 29% and liberals 23% doesn't mean that a lib-lab coalition got 52%. You might as well say that 59% supported a conservative-liberal coalition or 65% supported a conservative-labour coalition or 88% supported a conservative-labour-liberal coalition.Posted 9 years ago
Or was the damage done in the 80s so bad that you could never vote for them
Yeah, and what happened then. Mrs T had to start clearing up the mess left by the previous Gov. Although a lot here choose not to acknowledge this.
Not defending what the Cons did then, but they had to do something, didn't they ?. And of course, you can not always tell if you did something right or wrong, until you have the benefit of hindsight.
Like everything Labour has done in 13 years, was right……. 🙄
Thing is we needed a clean break from what has been going on, and the public have missed a chance to do this.
What a mess !.
CC.Posted 9 years agozaskarMember
Doom mongers again…just like the forum covered in Lib Dems and they won bugger all.
Its about Labour not Gordon Brown…we're not USA voting for a president.
Now we have to wait what Clegg will decide to back and in exchange for what.
I'm just wondering when it will be sorted.
Shame only 65% ppl got to vote.
I think Labour did well considering the media want them out and some of the muck ups they did.
Goodbye NHS if Dave gets in and unless you're on £150K min you will lose out.Posted 9 years agorightplacerighttimeMember
Its about Labour not Gordon Brown…we're not USA voting for a president.
Pity no one told Gordon Brown that. I think the presidential style of politics is part responsible for their demise.
I see that Cameron has now picked up the poison chalice.
He won't get Clegg to drink though.
It'll be a minority Govt, not a coalition, then the Tories will crash and burn in a year or two (I hope).Posted 9 years agoallthepiesMember
>It'll be a minority Govt, not a coalition, then the Tories will crash and burn in a year or two (I hope).
Regardless of how any tory administration actually runs the country in that period ? You actually want the country to fail over that period just to get the tories out ? Isn't that the "old politics" your man kept banging on about ?Posted 9 years agorightplacerighttimeMember
egardless of how any tory administration actually runs the country in that period ? You actually want the country to fail over that period just to get the tories out ? Isn't that the "old politics" your man kept banging on about ?
Well it depends what you think the options are – realistically.
I happen to think that any party would have a tough time in Govt over the next couple of years, so the least worst option would be what I've outlined.
But if you like I could pretend that I think there is an option for the Tories to do really really well for the country and wish for that.
There, is that better?Posted 9 years ago
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