- Ti Dilemma… Soda, On-One, Hummer or ???
So I’m coming to the conclusion that if I’m going to do a bit more racing this year then the Stiffie is too heavy and well its not very good at going up hill anyway. I dont really fancy going to a full-on race carbon frame as I want something that is going to be pleasing to ride all the time and much as I want to indulge a love of anything carbon fibre… I think I’ll save that for a road bike sometime!
So Ti seems to be the way to go… I really fancy the Soda (for a start it’s British)… but what do you guys think… anyone got one, ridden one… what about the On-One Ti456 or a Cove Hummer or an Airbourne etc etc????Posted 9 years ago
The Soda is too flexy, if you’re trying to put down shit loads of power you’ll feel it on every turn of the cranks.
Ti 456 I find to be awful with 100mm forks on it. It has a low front end with 140mm forks. 100mm on the flat feels like your face is ahead of the front wheel.
Hummer, for all it’s heavy (relatively…3.6lbs isn’t really heavy), it’s also stiff and direct and works well with 100 and 120mm forks.
TBH though, Airborne (AKA Van Nicholas) is the best bet. Setup for 100mm forks, lighter than all of the others (same as the Soda IIRC) and as stiff as the 456 but more compliant than the Hummer.
I’ve owned all of them at one time or another and currently use an Airborne Lucky Strike (Van Nicholas Zion) as an XC race bike. I use the Ti456 as my “day rider harder than full sus” bike.
The Ti456 is a mare to get working woth some bits of kit though. Chris King rear hubs, Bars and Stems etc…Posted 9 years agomarkenduroMember
Love my ti456 but not sure it would be too good for racing on as you’d want to take all of the fun lines rather than the fast ones. That’s what I’ve got the scandal 29er for and it’s also prety good at an all day sort of bike, went to Bets-y-Coed a few weeks back with it and it was loads better tahn i though it would be.Posted 9 years ago
The rear end of the Ti456 seems to bite too hard on to the bearings of the Chris King hub (I’ve tried two and one Hope) The result is that there’s too much friction on the freehub preventing backpedaling without the chain snarling around itself.
I’m soo fooooking pissed off with it.Posted 9 years agomarkenduroMember
Daffy, can’t really see it being the frame at fault there, sounds more like something wrong with the hubs, the inside edges of the dropouts should be flat and parallel and I can’t see lynskey letting one out any other way. Is the cassette on properly? Have you tried the wheels in a different frame?Posted 9 years ago
Brant – My terminology may be incorrect, but something odd is definitely happening. The wheels freewheel perfectly when in another frame or even when the QR is loose. As soon as QR is tightened (The magnitude of the tension has an effect here) the cassette fails to freewheel correctly even when very loosely tensioned.
The higher the gear, the worse it is. Can you offer a suggestion as to why it does this with two King hubs (One of which is brand new) and to a lesser extent a Hope hub? Is the frame damaged?
I’m quite exasperated with it…I never knew how much I backpedalled on a given ride.Posted 9 years agofullbouncebillMember
I have recentley had a TI 456,for me, my conlusion is, the top tube is a little Too long,I am 5″8 16 ins frame,I have since gone to a Cove Hummer and “Found the love”(and yes i did experiment with stems layback s posts etc etc)The hummetr is a ittle heavier but workls the front fork much better than the 456 imho, as an xc bike i can recommend the Hummer although it is much stiffer and the overall finnish is not a patch on the 456,its the end ride/feel thats important to me.
I am a hummer fan, although if theres one peice opf advice i can give you it is that you really should ride a bike BEFORE you decide to buy!
good luck!Posted 9 years agokelvinSubscriber
Of the bikes mentioned, in the original post and in passing, I’d go Soda or Scandal for a race frame. The Soda is plenty stiff enough, and the Scandal is far more comforting/forgiving than you might expect for an alu frame. Both are proper light and handle well with the kind of forks I’d consider on a race bike.Posted 9 years agoTiboySubscriber
I’ve got an airborne lancaster, old school I know, but seems to combine best of both worlds, the Ti comfort and really direct power delivery. I wouldn’t recommend an airborne black widow for racing as it’s too flexy at the back. Saying all that it’s not much help as they seems pretty rare nowadays!Posted 9 years agotimdraytonMember
another vote for the airborne lancaster, i have one, love it!
you can still get the black widow, its made by van nicholas as is the lancaster (zion) and a newer design longer travel frame the name of which escapes me…
lancaster/zion is the best bet i reckon, specially for racing, great with a 100 mm forkPosted 9 years agodruidhMember
pk-ripper – Member
if you’re after an airborne, I’d get one off ebay – same frame from China and when I was looking last summer they were about Â£350.
That’s the one I got – but the exchange rate has probably knocked that up to nearer Â£600 now. Great frame though. Bike is used for local rides, is loaded up with panniers for highlands XC/camping and I’ve had RC31s on it too. It just feels soooo lively compared with my old Inbred and is comfortable enough to be ridden all day.Posted 9 years ago
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