she has been a credit to this country and humanity IMO.

Protecting a nonce. Interfering in the democratic pricess. Hoarding wealth

Those hoping for the end of the monarchy when she does pass, what would the head of state look like? As recent events have plainly shown, the pool of talent for the premiership is woefully shallow. Just imagine President Johnson…

Some idiot on Sky news has just said we can’t speculate on the queen’s health when that’s all they’ve been doing for the past four hours. Some great journalism on display at the moment.

Just imagine President Johnson…

This argument baffles me. As PM he had more power than most presidents and was the person representing us anywhere important. So what difference does the ceremonial head of state make exactly?

I think she has passed she had a good innings either way.

I’d look to Ireland for a reasonable why to handle not having a Monarch. But how about we don’t do this now?

Those hoping for the end of the monarchy when she does pass, what would the head of state look like? As recent events have plainly shown, the pool of talent for the premiership is woefully shallow.

They seem to manage across the Irish Sea where the presidents tend to be competent heads of state and not overly political. As it’s a job that will be lacking in anything other than influence the power-crazed will still seek election to Westminster.

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most workplaces have a limit on the number of employees on a single plane or in a car etc

is that true? Never heard that one before.

Why do we need a head of state? We have a hugely bloated parliament as it is.

Those hoping for the end of the monarchy when she does pass, what would the head of state look like?

This is the issue. Having a monarch who accepts that they are just there for ceremonial purposes and defers to a democratic parliament is a hell of a lot better than having an elected president who can veto legislation, or even worse, appoint ministers. Yes, the Royal family is a joke, but tourists spend huge money taking photos in front of the palace and they have no real political power so best to just let them fade away into irrelevance. I genuinely feel sorry for the younger ones, their lives must be miserable, despite the wealth.

Protecting a nonce. Interfering in the democratic pricess. Hoarding wealth

Remind me when the queen has ever interfered with the democratic process? Genuine question

For senior leadership, yes, it can be that way. The place I worked for way back when had “no more than two” for people above a certain grade, but didn’t limit how many engineers could get crammed in cattle class to the US for a conference.

But that was back in the day when normal people were allowed to travel for company events.

Why do we need a head of state? We have a hugely bloated parliament as it is.

Well if you lot up there insist on being represented in two parliaments… 😉

@tpbiker

Just a 1000 or so times…

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent

you have to wonder why she hasn’t been taken to hospital, sure the RAF could spare a helicopter or 2 ?

Oooh BBC are just following the plane landing, you’d think she’d exited the building already.

Remind me when the queen has ever interfered with the democratic process? Genuine question

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-queen-lobbied-for-change-in-law-to-hide-her-private-wealth

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/27/queen-secret-influence-laws-revealed-scottish-government-memo

Also raptors are routinly killed on the balmoral estate and the police have to ask her if they can investigate which is refused routinely .

I’d look to Ireland for a reasonable why to handle not having a Monarch. But how about we don’t do this now?

…are you new here!?

you have to wonder why she hasn’t been taken to hospital, sure the RAF could spare a helicopter or 2 ?

My guess is she knows she is dying and refused. Whats the point?

most workplaces have a limit on the number of employees on a single plane or in a car etc

is that true? Never heard that one before.

Damn right, I’ve never been the same since we went to a trade show in Amsterdam and got shitfaced and five of us tried to pile into a taxi and I accidentally fisted Fat John, I can still feel that clammy wet feeling, try not to eat finger food with my left hand anymore.

He must have been watching sky news and decided he was being too serious.

Nicholas Witchell has just said, with a STRAIGHT FACE, about the Queen's corgis:

"They know nothing of her status."

— Mark Oosterveen (@MarkOosterveen) September 8, 2022

We are going to have weeks of this crap on tv now aren’t we.
Oh well they had better not remove stuff from netflix, spotify and prime

Protecting a nonce. Interfering in the democratic pricess. Hoarding wealth

Remind me when the queen has ever interfered with the democratic process? Genuine question

Whilst you’re there, remind me when the queen has ever protected someone who interfered sexually with prepubescents?

Just a 1000 or so times…

“vetted” is not synonymous with “vetoed”.

Lets hope the doctors make her as ‘comfortable’ as her grandfather.

Just a 1000 or so times…

So how many time out of those did she intervene and Stop the laws being passed?

Tj, I wouldn’t call that interfering with the democratic process. I’d call that using her influence to get her own way. In exactly the same way most overly rich and overly privileged people do. I’m not suggesting for a minute that’s correct, nor that I support the monarchy (the concept is ridiculous)

Technically I believe she could veto pretty much any law passed by government via royal consent, yet I can’t remember a time she ever has. Can you?

The guardian investigation threw up many instances. The raptor killings is also a clear example if ignoring the law

Lets hope the doctors make her as ‘comfortable’ as her father Grandfather.

Well, I’ve had the call to pack a bag and get up to London.

So how many time out of those did she intervene and Stop the laws being passed?

According to the article 4, and even then, she lobbied [her MPs] for changes which may or may not have been made and, you know, under a democratic system, is exactly what we’re all supposed to do if we don’t like for instance; the police, crime, sentencing and courts bill.

End of an ir I guess

Was that going to be an “end of an er” joke until autocorrect kicked in?

Tj, I wouldn’t call that interfering with the democratic process. I’d call that using her influence to get her own way.

AKA interfering.

Hmm. When she does go it will mean a challenge for Private Eye crossword compilers…

Im not going to debate her proven frequent interference in laws and ignoring criminality any more here. Start another thread if you want to debate it.

It will just end up with a fight on here

Was that going to be an “end of an er” joke until autocorrect kicked in?

Yeah, autocorrect or fat fingers. It should have been i:r

Tj the only person on here picking a fights you.

Remember that old adage if you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.

PM has no plans to travel to Scotland, she’s already done her job up there. Besides never a good idea to returrn to the scene.

Correcting blatent falshoods?

The guardian investigation threw up many instances

No it doesn’t it says she reviewed them, how many times did she stop them coming into being or changed them in any way? You don’t know, neither do I

As for lobbying, yes she’s entitled to lobby for changes in the law that affect her. As are you and I.

Anyway, not going to derail this thread arguing the technicalities of it with you. We’ll just have to disagree on this one

Edit..just saw your response. Agreed let’s not ruin this thread!

I wish we all had the same level of health care as she currently enjoys and has enjoyed all her life – but we don’t.